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Peluches
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posted June 17, 2015 02:37 PM
  
Yeah  That's our euphoric 12th house Venus.  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 04:57 PM
What house is your moon Neptune in? Mine is 3rd house. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted June 17, 2015 06:21 PM
Yep. Infatuation is a groovy feeling. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted June 17, 2015 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh Peluches, thank you for sharing; that sounds very very nice also!!We both have moon conjunct neptune natally! What a coincidence... ? I wonder if this aspect plays into finding true love and deeply connecting spiritually and emotionally with others who contact this point... Probably eh
Not really. You've got to watch for addiction patterns and having the wool pulled over your eyes, so to speak. NEPTUNE is beautiful fantasy. It's important to remember the adage of 'if it seems too good to be true .. ' because NEP-MOONs come here to go through serious trials of deception in order to become truly grounded and real. It CAN lead to some lovely spiritual growth. But you've got to first remember to ditch the rose-coloured glasses.
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Peluches
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posted June 17, 2015 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Not really. You've got to watch for addiction patterns and having the wool pulled over your eyes, so to speak. NEPTUNE is beautiful fantasy. It's important to remember the adage of 'if it seems too good to be true .. ' because NEP-MOONs come here to go through serious trials of deception in order to become truly grounded and real.It CAN lead to some lovely spiritual growth. But you've got to first remember to ditch the rose-coloured glasses.
Oh Auby, I know, but... enjoy it while it lasts, yeah ?  IP: Logged |
Peluches
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posted June 17, 2015 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What house is your moon Neptune in? Mine is 3rd house.
Ohh, I love 3H MOONs ! They're fascinating. ( ^) I have a little resonance with MOON parallel NEPTUNE and MERCURY, too. Mine's in the 5th. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted June 17, 2015 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Oh Auby, I know, but... enjoy it while it lasts, yeah ?
Pretty much. It's so hard to see reality when you're sipping down a sweet, sweet cocktail of oxytocin, dopamine, and serotonin. So good! I actually had a troubling dream / nightmare / astral travel / multidimensional recall the other night. With tTARDIS conjunct CHIRON (0°) and tCHIRON conjunct TARDIS (0°), I've had little choice but to pay very close attention to where tTARDIS is taking my CHIRON, and conversely, tCHIRON is affecting my TARDIS. I've got a bad pattern of being on one side of the law with my lover being on its opposite. And it's always me who's got the badge. This latest little foray had me as a young DEA agent being made by my lover, a known drug dealer (who, it would seem, I met through investigating undercover; not the finest start to a romance!) and every second counting. I must've had the room wired (I was outside) as I could hear everything. Imagine that for a moment. You're hearing your lover's associates telling him you're DEA. And you're barely fifty feet from it. I didn't run. As I dreaded, not even a minute later, he came barreling through the metal screen back door, brandishing a 9mm pistol, parallel to his person, finger on the trigger, in a cold fury. He didn't raise it to me, nor did I train my weapon on him. Curiously, I even said so; I was legitimately panicked and not keeping my cool, pleading that I could explain, and I wasn't training my gun on him, nor was I going to. (Now, I've had firearms training when I studied with the FBI. But it rarely, if ever invades my dream lexicon like that -- unless it's intentional, and I'm an agent in it.) So, he's still marching towards me, and I'm really not wanting to get shot. There, I'm genuinely losing my mind because I love him so deeply, and the worst possible thing that could happen has just hit. Here, I'm fully committed to the experience unfolding, and hoping nothing jolts me out of it before I can do what needs to be done. (It's tricky to explain the headspace, as it's quite literally being 'in two places at once' in many ways. And time being only linearly observed is a bit too much to comprehend from an extradimensional perspective -- for most. It's a 'learnt skill', suffice it to say.) All that matters in my 'there' headspace is that I've just lost him entirely, and he very well might kill me. The pain of that rips through me worse than any bullet could. So I'm crying unabashedly, and saying I'm not informing on him, and I don't want to talk to anyone, I'm just trying to survive. My 'here' headspace draws multidimensional comparisons to other eigenstates and lifelines 'visited' or referenced or known of, and I realise I don't recognise him, or am I getting any particular soul signature. Yet I know he's no flash-in-the-pan one-off either. It's someone with whom I have history, but the circumstances are kind of throwing me. Fortunately, by this time, he acts in a way that shows he also genuinely loves me. I'd even gotten a strange 'preview' before it happened, of the two of them in a peaceful, even ordinary moment, just being together and loving each other. I knew nothing of their roles or their diametric opposition. I'm so shameless in my saying how much I love him, and I'm crying so horribly. His placing his arms about me is all I feel in the seconds following, and for the moment, it seems that the sky has stopped falling. But then I can tell my cat is stretching himself out against me, and I'm going to be 'out' soon. So from that point onward, that's the last thing I feel. His conflicted embrace, and my relief that he hasn't shot me. It was powerful stuff. Oh, and the astrology of it, since I nailed down the exact minute ... it's pretty staggering. I'm still trying to make full sense of it. NEPTUNE was so strong; appropriately rising. You can't have THAT sort of crazy, extraordinary situation without a whole lotta NEPTUNE! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 08:32 PM
mmhmmm... Neptune=infinite possibility... The crazy dreams are one manifestation. We can focus this stuff. my moon neptune conjunction isn't far from my Saturn and i have a lot of logic in my chart. I am learning to sort out fact and fiction in my life. It has been a long go. i am very aware that nothing lasts forever. But part of sorting fantasy from reality is identifying reality.That dream=low on the reality scale.
Concrete real life occurrences=higher. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 08:33 PM
..... rrrrright? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 08:37 PM
Aubyanne, you're putting it down to infatuation... I have been studying astrology for a while now and listening to my inner compass; I have been in many many disillusionment ridden relationships and I know what it's like to be infatuated and blind. This isn't it.IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted June 17, 2015 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Aubyanne, you're putting it down to infatuation... I have been studying astrology for a while now and listening to my inner compass; I have been in many many disillusionment ridden relationships and I know what it's like to be infatuated and blind. This isn't it.
It's just too soon to know, yungang. I'm sorry. And you're a natal MOON conjunct NEPTUNE? To boot? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 09:16 PM
One needs to look at charts holistically. I've consulted with a professional astrologer and although at the beginning of our talk she was full of caution and trepidation at my enthusiasm, and being as critical as possible--by the end she could see this was meant to be and was giving her blessing. She studied our composite, composite draconic, progressions, synastry and natals thoroughly. If astrology is at all useful then it should be able to give us at least some confidence and direction in these matters... I'm tellin ya, if I'm wrong about this one them I don't know what's right. I've been very thorough. No need to be sorry; if I'm really in zero doubt mode then it won't hurt to hear your opinion--and the little bit of doubt that I do have is soothed by listening to it and calmly understanding the depth of my own understanding. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 09:19 PM
The thing is that this planet needs all the help it can get... There's no time for messin around with maybes and hope-so's. There's work to do in this lifetime... (And fun to be had). IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 10:10 PM
, appreciate your reservations around my statement about moon neptune natally being in particular a hopeful aspect for identifying solid real love tho--I do understand that, and I do agree about the rose coloured glasses! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 17, 2015 10:15 PM
part of my hopefulness in this relationship is related to the very intense struggles we've already encountered and the beauty with which we've managed some serious misunderstandings. It's really a balanced and grounded understanding we are developing, rooted in some very significant mutual friendships, mutual interests, commitments, likes/passions, etc.IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted June 18, 2015 12:37 AM
I'm a professional astrologer myself. And I see some definite ... mines, we'll say. How those are handled over the next 6 months -- especially the next year -- is crucial. There's a kind of threat zone with CHIRON conjunctions. They almost blind us to their danger, and go off after it's too late for us to recover. It's terribly sad, and I try and get new couples to be realistic and cautious during the initial stages. Nonetheless, you're likely meant to 'lose your head' over this one, and there's nothing that's going to prevent it, you know? Might as well just go with it. IP: Logged |
Bluejay
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posted June 18, 2015 04:28 AM
I definitely don't want to be one to rain on your parade, but when I read your story my first thought was "How is Neptune touching Moon or Venus?". You have Moon conjunct Neptune with 12th house Venus. This shows a tendency to over romanticize your paramour and your feelings for him. I don't doubt your feelings, but the problem is that when this relationship is seen as anything but otherworldly and perfect, it loses it's luster. I would say to go for it and see where the relationship goes...just don't put the relationship on such a lofty pedestal that reality cannot measure up to. Accept the bad with the good, and don't gloss over the problem areas, as Neptune/12th house tends to do. You're less than a month in, so it's a bit soon to be declaring your undying love for someone. That can only be said when you've seen the ugly sides of a person, which inevitably shows itself later in the relationship. As Aubyanne pointed out, once all the intoxicating neurotransmitters wear off. The sad part is that over romanticizing can be the downfall of this type of relationship, which otherwise has the ability to be so romantic and dreamy. It has to be viewed realistically, or else the perfect fantasy cannot live up to the reality. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 18, 2015 10:50 AM
I've seen some ugly stuff already. We've been through some hard stuff. We really covered a lot of ground in the last few weeks. Not feeling very listened to here, but that's ok, I understand your cautions. I've been reading about twin flames, something I didn't really give any credence to before... believe it or not, I'm pretty sure we're on our way to the reunion stage already... We really did hit some very hard stuff in the last month and he did go to the coast, just so he could know he was meant to be here. And I let him go whole heartedly, releasing in absolute trust... I'm trusting in spirit. I'm not staking my life on this person. I'm whole and complete as I am. If he disappears from my life for any length of time, if there is pain, I will still be grateful and whole, with the deep understanding that this love will never die, because its part of me, ugly stuff and all... which is love, too... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 18, 2015 10:52 AM
I've seen some ugly stuff already. We've been through some hard stuff. We really covered a lot of ground in the last few weeks. Not feeling very listened to here, but that's ok, I understand your cautions. I've been reading about twin flames, something I didn't really give any credence to before... believe it or not, I'm pretty sure we're on our way to the reunion stage already... We really did hit some very hard stuff in the last month and he did go to the coast, just so he could know he was meant to be here. And I let him go whole heartedly, releasing in absolute trust... I'm trusting in spirit. I'm not staking my life on this person. I'm whole and complete as I am. If he disappears from my life for any length of time, if there is pain, I will still be grateful and whole, with the deep understanding that this love will never die, because its part of me, ugly stuff and all... which is love, too... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 18, 2015 10:58 AM
But Bluejay, I know what you mean. I have had moments on the phone where I'm line "Oh this is a dull moment! What's going on?" lol... But I take it in stride ams remember that's part of life, not everything is going to be fireworks and roses and deep space all the time--although it certainly has been a deeply affirming spiritual experience and series of synchronicities. He is more of a realist than I am, with Saturn and Pluto conjunct his Scorpio ascendant... He's also pretty smart, with his jupiter conjunct uranus, and lots of other nice things... He isn't expecting a dream world; we are simply witnessing the beauty of this life together and enhancing one another's lives in a multi dimensional way...I think my moon/Neptune and 12h Venus have given me a lot of lessons in this life. I know myself somewhat and I should be humble enough to receive your advice and kindness with open arms and understanding. As I said, I don't really need to convince you folks. I am thinking part of the function of twin flame relationships is releasing doubt, being truly awash in unconditional love, so that we can be better servants of spirit and give to the earth. These last few weeks have felt amazing, not only because of this relationship, but a series of healings I have offered people and experiences which confirm that I am on the right path in this life. As I said, even if this relationship doesn't "work out"--whatever the heck that even means anymore--I will still have this deep understanding of what it feels like to be truly supported and loved. It feels good! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 18, 2015 11:01 AM
hmmm maybe I actually didn't make clear in this particular thread all that we've been going through. It's certainly a long story, having only been a month as you say. But mitch of this occurred during Mercury retrograde, which I understand can blur time-lines and transcend past and future..IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted June 18, 2015 12:14 PM
Yungang,You dont owe anyone an explenation or need to provide 10 pieces of evidence. Enjoy your love! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted June 18, 2015 12:37 PM
Moon opposed Moon
My Moon conjunct his Pluto
My Moon square his Saturn
His Saturn trine my Venus
His Utanus on my Venus
His Sun/Pluto/Merc sextile my Saturn/Sun/Merc
His Jupiter opposes my Mars
My Jupiter trine his Venus
His Venus trine my Neptune
His Sun square my Mars
My Saturn in his MC
His Neptune on my Sun/Merc
His Neptune trine my Saturn
My Sun/Merc on his Anti-Vertex
My Jupiter on his Chiron
His DC on my Vertex
His AC on my Sun/Moon midpoint
NN sextile NNBest aspect of all....???
My Uranus is unaspected by his planets! I don't fear losing my identity in this relationship.
Nearly all my fears that keep me single revolve around feeling trapped by someone with no way to escape, I'll be forced by obligation to stay in a miserable place totally unhappy and trapped forever.(my Saturn squares my Uranus in natal)
Those fears are nowhere to be found with him, I feel free to merge with him without fear or restraint. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted June 18, 2015 03:08 PM
Thanks Orange. As being challenged wasn't my stated intention with this thread, I considered shutting that whole line of thought down on those grounds, but I didn't mind sharing a little more it's fine to question and give advice when we think it might be useful... But yeah... the moon/neptune proneness-to-illusion warnings can't exist in a vacuum and I'm simply iterating that point with some context...
Still, I am mainly interested in sharing others' experiences of joy and am glad the conversation is going that way again!
Gabby, that's beautiful.... I totally hear you re the security and relief of not having those uranus buttons pressed! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted June 18, 2015 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Gabby, that's beautiful.... I totally hear you re the security and relief of not having those uranus buttons pressed!
Those Uranus buttons are bad! My only square in my chart is Uranus/Saturn 1 degree and other than that my Uranus is not tightly aspected, just an out of sign separating trine to Mars by 5 degrees...that's the only other Uranus aspect.
My Uranus is quite the little fear/fire started, nobody gets past it without a good fight, so not having that little planet touched is so nice😎 peaceful and easy! Plus Lilith, Kaali, Pandora and Pythia sit right on Uranus...she's definitely a feminist in my chart! Her motto...Men, who needs them? Lol
So it's nice that she's sitting there quiet and subordinate for once! IP: Logged | |
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