posted June 19, 2015 03:01 PM            

And, for pity's sake, can we just go ahead and get it out of the way now, if you're not approaching each other consistently with love and respect -- then you're not twin flame! You don't have to be equal in this regard, but you do have to be consistently caring to each other, no matter how dark and twisted the road you're travelling might become.

I'm so bloody tired of all of these twin flame hopefuls feeling they know the one truth of everything. You don't! Nobody does! We're all supposed to be here learning; for heaven's sake -- can we not simply just do that? Is it an impossible request?

Look. Love is fantastic, and when it's real, it's absolutely marvellous. But I'm not here to get sidetracked by the hopefuls and wannabes. I'm here to help them to get on track, and, if lightning strikes and they are here to reunite with their twin -- help them to achieve that.

I can't do that with so much infatuated bubbling and refusal to talk sense. I need facts. I need data. I need experiences. I need to know when it began and how, and what's brought you to this determination. How you've even come to the notion of being twin flame, and how it's changed your life.

These are not typical experiences.

This sort of relationship isn't for just anyone, either. It has a clear-cut purpose, though that purpose will vary from couple to couple. But it's always, always there. I've yet to find what the 'definition' or term might be for those who are potential twin flames not reuniting in the present lifeline. And, frankly, it's outside of the scope of my interest or research at the moment.

So. I'd like to talk to those who are actively living in a twin flame relationship. You don't have to be married or even cohabiting; you merely need to have gathered enough evidence for yourself (and some general level of consensus) that's allowed you to conclude that your relationship is one of twin flames.

The first thing this requires is that you're in a relationship together. (Unless you're Ceri; that's a whole other matter!)

Some things I've noticed in potential twin flame relationships:

- consistent honesty and respect
- otherworldly experiences
- parallelism
- mutuality

I want to keep it simple, because it often gets too complicated. Let's start with the first:

Consistent honesty and respect.

We have no idea how difficult that one is to achieve until we really try. That means no below-the-belt fighting. Never any name-calling. Zero violence of ANY kind. We're proud to be in the other's presence. They support and encourage our self-worth rather than degrade it. They DO challenge us -- to be better, stronger, more capable. The love can be 'tough', but it's always, undeniably love. This also means no lying to each other. Ever. It's possible to maintain that level of honesty, but extremely difficult.

Otherworldly experiences.

This one is always treated with too much vaguery for my taste. I want to know actual experiences. How long did you dream of each other before you met? Did you know, or had someone told you, their name long beforehand? How many astral travels have you shared together? How many previous or alternate lifelines (past lives) have you uncovered together? How did you become aware of your karma and your soul connexion? Was the telepathy instantaneous, or did it develop following a physical relationship? When did you begin to sense their physical presence? If you have a sexual relationship, have you performed the Hieros Gamos? How did it feel? Has your time perception (either dilation or contraction) occurred? Does it do so only at certain times? Did the '11:11 thing' prove true for you? Did it continue at significant milestones?

The list is very long, indeed, and there are many points I've missed.

Parallelism.

This is another that gets glossed over or taken too carelessly. Often there are bizarre 'coincidences' and relationships to each other prior to meeting. Being from the same hometown, sharing a career, specific life goals, or even unusual interests or hobbies (related to the soul's purpose) are common. How much do you 'parallel' each other? Have you discussed how and why you both arrived at these decisions? In the areas where you're different, did one of you actively take a different path from the other? Have you asked why, or how? As those opposite decisions resulted in other lifelines (eigenstates) it's useful to understand why we're here with the choices we've made, and the results that have stemmed from them. No matter how similar or different.

Mutuality.

It's unfortunate that I have to place this on such a list, but I do. Too often I'm given the 'I know he loves me, he just ____ ' in response to the issue of mutuality. I've been there myself. Believe me. True mutuality isn't deluding ourselves, or being in denial about the fact that the other person doesn't share the depth of our feeling. Unrequited love is hard, and it's no wonder we'll downright deceive ourselves out of that devastating experience.

So when I find the subject of twin flames come up, the first thing I have to ask is, 'how long have you two been actively loving each other?' And that one can throw people. Active love? What is that? How do you define love as a verb? It's both a trick question and the most important one I ask. The ones who are living in a real love relationship (regardless of being twin flames) know exactly how to answer, and what it means. From them I've learnt, along with my own experience, that this is respect, honesty, caring, trust, intimacy, and gratitude. Even the least demonstrative relationships (and just ask this girl here what that one looks like) are still actively loving, share in that love, and, regardless of the level of demonstration, DO say that they love each other -- and mean it.

And there we go; my cobbled-together list.

posted June 19, 2015 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
(Unless you're Ceri; that's a whole other matter!)

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ROFL

Thank you for singling me out like that! my pr Moon in Leo loves that.

But you know that I would be the last one calling him my twinflame. It doesn`t matter to be honest.

So I cannot really help you here.

Oh I noticed something weird.

my natal MADHATTER 12°08 Scorpio
composite Mr Sag 12°08 Scorpio

his natal MADHATTER 12°57 Aries
composite Ceri 13°04 Aries

Isn`t that weird?

(ASC-ruler Uranus on 12°22 Scorpio; MC-ruler Pluto on 15°14 Libra-Atlantis 14°14 Libra, widely opposite the second one)

Sabians of

12-13 Scorpio
An Inventor Performs A Laboratory Experiment
(so we are an experiment? :laughing

12-13 Aries and 13-14 Aries
an Unexploded Bomb Reveals An Unsuccessful Social Protest

A Serpent Coiling Near A Man And A Woman

Just wanted to share that weird finding, sorry it does not fit your thread.

posted June 19, 2015 03:22 PM            

Can you stop going on about how glorious everything is and (??instead??) offer concrete experiences to which those of us who are researchers can actually compare? I don't mean just the astrology, as that's a given. I mean your experiences. The things that make you hesitate to say anything at all, for fear you'll come off mad. Things you can't share with the other person, because they're just too weird.

posted June 19, 2015 03:24 PM            

Funny you bring up MADHATTER, as it's been quite active discussion over on the VALENTINE thread as of yesterday. I'm probably going to make a new thread.

MADHATTER is multidimensional. That much I absolutely know. Time perception, even manipulation. It's NOT insanity, believe it or not. It's so, so much more than that.

posted June 19, 2015 03:46 PM            

Funny, you are not the only one. I have others had tell me they had dreams about him and me, and they seem to - independently, and at different stages- have a certain feeling or athmosphere in common.

For me, well, I don`t know how I would label us. So I don`t.

As for some of the questions you asked though.

I`ve been searching him in my dreams ever since I can remember. Even as a kid I was looking for this boy, I was even expecting him in some sort of tower.
I just realized a few months ago, that this tower actually exists, and stands quite close to where he was living being a child.
And of course I had been in the area as a child now and then, too (visiting great grandma) - seriously, sometimes I wonder if we did not really met as children, and all of that is just a memory, we can`t quite access.

in 2004 or so, I was somewhere and getting in a weird state of mind, and that was when I heard his name. Or actually the name was just there in the back of my mind.
But curiously enough I`ve encountered quite some boys with the same name (just as he is gathering Ceris around him. he even manages to pick them out of a crowd of strangers, as he proved once again last week. lol)

In 2006 I was not only having some sequential Druidian sacred marriage dreams (which I did not know what it was back then, until I dreamed it, and funny enough a friend of mine had a vision of me in that same contxt with someone, the same night).
It was after that that I was sensing some kind of male energy around, I mostly got that "smile-vibration" from him, and it drove me nuts. I knew I knew that energy-signature, but I couldn`t quite grasp the identity.

This was going on for a few weeks and then faded a little, and just 2 weeks after it faded a little, we first saw each other (though not really met), 3rd june of 2006. Always the 3-6-9 sequence for us.

2 years later after seeing him again, a lot of weird stuff happened, I started dreaminf of him everynight for 2 months or so, along with sensing his energy around me, until I mentally turned to him and told him to stay away. If he wanted to meet me, he should do it in real life. I was done doing the fantasy-romances. Literally. LOL

2 weeks later our first meeting took place.

posted June 19, 2015 03:47 PM            

That's just my Virgo being a bit rough straight out of the gate. My apologies. Thank you for seeking clarification.

I'm tired of there being no concrete experiences shared. I want anecdotal evidence of actual things witnessed or known. If there are dates and charts to go with them, so much the better, as we can find patterns.

I get too much of the 'I've found my twin flame and am so happy' and a lot of New Agey nonsense to follow. Save the rambling bit about love and harmony and saving the planet until AFTER you've said WHAT has brought you to this conclusion. Heh. You know?

posted June 19, 2015 04:03 PM            

Not sure if you're talking about me but, just clarifying..

posted June 19, 2015 04:13 PM            

Now I'm always sceptical in the beginning. I have to be. And while you were cautious, you did follow your heart, and it's unfolded over time into a very significant, and beautiful relationship for you both. And I couldn't be happier.

posted June 19, 2015 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Actually, it's not any one in particular, Selenite. Just many, many people over time to the point where -- I dunno. tSATURN retrograding to a tight square with my 12H ISIS on REGULUS just said, 'okay now, enough is enough. It's time to take action!' That ISIS of mine, I swear; it can be pretty forceful.

Now I'm always sceptical in the beginning. I have to be. And while you were cautious, you did follow your heart, and it's unfolded over time into a very significant, and beautiful relationship for you both. And I couldn't be happier.

Would you like to share your story? It does have some very unusual features to it that are exceptional in many ways.

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Aww, thank you Aubyanne. I love your sincerity I felt myself tearing up. Cautious would be the nice way of putting it. Terrified is more like it.
I'm not much of a story teller, but seeing as it's not a twin flame thing, I don't think it's relevant and I'm shy. Lol

(But if anyone is curious) Key terms and phrases, I guess, are 'age difference,' 'help I'm drowning,' 'BDSM,' and 'who is that in the mirror?' Coming soon to a theatre near you.

Edit: But you could definitely add 'Consistent honesty and respect,' (something I had never experienced before, ever.) and 'Otherworldly experiences' (a pretty key element in our relationship).

Parallelism, definitely, and I notice it more every day. It's more like tiny revelations, about yourself, learned through (even from criticism of) the other person. "Oh, wait, I do that ALL the time!! Maybe I'll stop doing that." A 'check yourself before you wreck yourself, kind of thing. (With love and empathy at all times, of course.) It's like he said to me once within the first couple of weeks, "I don't know, you just make me want to be a better person."

posted June 19, 2015 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I've been searching him in my dreams ever since I can remember. Even as a kid I was looking for this boy, I was even expecting him in some sort of tower.

I just realized a few months ago, that this tower actually exists, and stands quite close to where he was living being a child.

And of course I had been in the area as a child now and then, too (visiting great grandma) - seriously, sometimes I wonder if we did not really meet as children, and all of that is just a memory, we can't quite access ...

... Just the beginning of those coincidences which never cease to amaze me.

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See, that is why you're 'a whole other matter' (heh!) and exactly to what I'm referring. It's these sorts of things that really have me shaking my head and going, 'this CAN'T be real.' Because I can relate, deeply, to that experience.

Of course, you know, as for me, it's been in a few stages as well. It begun in my teens with the same 'searching' for, but rather I was hunting someone. I honestly didn't want to be doing so. I had affection for him -- the young bronzy-blonde man with pale blue eyes. But I was also not supposed to. I had an objective, and these feelings were not part of it. Not easy for a girl of sixteen! Meanwhile, he was trying to 'free me' in some way. I belonged to something he once did, or had fled, and was now actively against, and I was still 'on the inside'. A lot of it was heavily 'government conspiracy-esque' themes. His trying to 'deprogramme' me, and my being, either too deeply under to consider he was actually trying to help me, or too legitimately frightened of his capabilities. We're talking master-level assassination here. Expert killer. Yeah, well, so was I. So how hypocritical is it to fear in another what you already are yourself? Took a lot of years of writing to come to terms with that.

Yet, it started around 14-16 for me. Talk about some rough subject matter in your early teens!

All of my girlfriends were falling in puppy love for the first time, and I'm having these recurring Matrix-like dreams where I'm some sort of operative hunting another that's gone rogue. Right. Because that's totally normal. No wonder I didn't 'have time for the frivolities' my friends were enjoying. I'm not only dying in a panoply of ways every other week, but there's a part of me that's pretty obsessive over who the hell is this guy? Even though I totally abandoned the thought that he might ever exist.

And then Penderan came around. Gah! Just as my first Saros cycle was wrapping up, I'd become aware that I had some serious outstanding karma from a life where I was a federal agent betrayed by my agency, murdered by someone a la grand conspiracy, and ... who is it but the blonde kid from my other host of dreams, now in his forties, that appears in this mess to 'inform' me of such things, now several years later in meditative experiences and visions?

Ohhhhh, there was no end to it! The only thing I could do was GO with it, accept that something was going on, and, okay, now I'll do what all writers have across time. I'll write it.

And so, that's exactly what I did.

posted June 19, 2015 04:48 PM            

And yes, it`s sort of demanding and so different from what other girls your age were doing at that time. I get that, too.

As for him and me, it just amazes me, too, many little things, and they are piling up on each other.

One of the more recent things (well 11th june kind of thing).
One of these mornings I was having some of these weird half-dreams-again, where I will sort of wake up into a conversation with him, or hearing him mumbling something (not really waking up, still being in some sort of half-sleep I guess).
Sometimes the words that come through are very crisp and clear, this time it was him musing that he was on the verge of either make the biggest mistake of his life or doing the one right thing, and then turning to me, repeatedly asking me if I was being ready; not knowing what he even meant, I truthfully said that I would never be ready, but that`s just a part of life and should not keep me doing from anything anymore. Ready or not.
It was one of these bizarre, weird "conversations" we have (or I dream up, more probably ).

Nevertheless 2 days after that he suddenly abruptly broke his fb silence/ absence uttering the spontaneous idea of a get-together, some sort of fan-meeting ("to get to know each other a little better"), on one of the rare weekends he actually has off (and several people commented on the craziness of it, instead of spending time with his family, wanting to spend jobrelated time, which - let`s face it- it is, despite him makeing these things seem so personal, they of course aren`t. Or just semi.)

This idea came out like an eruption actually, it was unexpected, definitely.
And well I did comment on that, that this was a great idea, but that I was quite shy, so something like this is a huge challenge for me.
I have NO CLUE why I felt the need to put that out there, which probably was the clearest most honest thing I have ever said to him or into his direction, and on top of: why should he care?
I mean seriously? If we look at this wiht a reasonable outsider perspective I am just a woman with a crush on a performer, you know I totally fit the delusional, whatever silly pattern.
So why would I feel the need to let him know that about me? (though it is true and it explains so much about my erratic behaviour of the past).

More importantly why should it matter to him?

WEll it maybe doesn`t matter to him, but a few minutes after I had posted this, he responded to me directly (and you know how rare that is!) telling me to "simply be there".

Not much of an excuse now, right?

posted June 19, 2015 05:00 PM            

I appreciate your honesty and openness, too. And I have been paying attention! You've certainly got some raging odds against you, and when you're able to clear those hurdles with love and respect? It's so much more rare than you'd ever really believe.

Ah! Elevation! That's another feature I really ought to edit in there, as it applies. I think the 'twin flame' label is ultimately problematic because of the expectations it brings. Had I come to these conclusions anywhere near the beginning, I'm sure I would've managed to bungle everything. Abject terror? Ohhh, yes. How I learnt the depth of the meaning of those words in combination. But elevation seems to be the cornerstone of truly evolved relationships -- as that's a better term anyway.

When someone makes you want to be a better version -- or the best version -- of yourself. Not by nagging, or belittling, or -- far worse, bullying, so that you fit their image. No, no. Through BEING something that YOU want to emulate. Conversely, by also exhibiting traits you don't want to hang onto.

For us, it's being intimacy-impaired, aloof, and undemonstrative. We both have terrible problems with this, and have recognised it more than ever through our relationship with each other. Our friends always have to be demonstrative and even effusive, and so we're 'allowed' to be our introverted, even inscrutable selves.

But when you're BOTH inscrutable introverts? It's a game of emotional chess. You don't want to compete with each other, but you're both trying to understand, and are impossible to read on top of that.

So, something -- or someone -- has got to give. Even just a little. We've learnt to be more affectionate and expressive of our feelings. ... Sometimes.

And, after 5 years of knowing him, and 18 months of being in an official relationship, he finally kissed me completely spontaneously and unbidden. He was expressing a dark experience of his -- anxiety, insecurity -- irrational things which, knowing they're illogical makes them no easier to manage. I assured him, genuinely, of how much I truly love him, respect him, and wonderful I find him, and that I know these dark imaginings are just the product of learning to truly open up to the people he's been closest to, but never vulnerable with. And he paused, pulled slightly from me for a moment and just looked at me. I could visibly see the registering revelation upon his face, but his action was a bit curious.

And then he just kissed me. Then took my hands, and said, 'thank you.'

I don't mind how few and far between the physical affection is, (well, specifically kisses; we're often very physically affectionate with each other in terms of touching, holding, curling up against, or being near to one another) when it coincides with, or follows such a beautiful experience.

I've got to where I even kind of prefer it. They become all the more special, and memorable.

posted June 19, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One of the more recent things ... but a few minutes after I had posted this, he responded to me directly (and you know how rare that is!) telling me to "simply be there".

Not much of an excuse now, right?

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See, that's EXACTLY what I mean. Your situation is just so ... wow. It really gets you thinking just how remarkable these things CAN really be, especially when you're thrown into rather impossible circumstances.

That's just a tad too coincidental for me. And certainly it can be read-into, and misperceived and so forth, but the reality is that it is a direct contact, and that is about as much of a 'response' you can get.

I play with this theme a lot in the series. Hatter and Alice are always outside of things, and acquiring levels of knowledge about the various eigenstates and timelines in which they're operating (as Penderan and Riley). One will often send a message to the other that they've both come to agreement about. But it's always entirely unconscious. Riley doesn't know why she goes to that particular place at that time, and she's completely convinced that she's mad during the 'little conversations' she'll have with Penderan in 'the moments between sleep', (as Dodgson used to call them).

Elsewhere, of course, Hatter has delivered crucial information to Alice who now has to find a way to get herself (Riley) on board where it matters.

posted June 19, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Aww, Auby
That is so sweet and amazing. Makes me feel all warm inside to read about your experience.

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I know. It really is, isn't it? I thank you so much for putting up with all of my resistance and inability to process it all at the beginning. It's true that I was terrified -- completely terrified. But you really saw into the heart of what I was expressing, totally unbeknownst to myself. I really, really have to thank you for that; I never forgot it. In the back of my mind, I was always wondering ... but it was far too much for me to accept then. It took time, growth, understanding, and learning how to change those parts of myself that I would need to before I was anywhere near ready.

Funny how it's my pMOON has been going through Aquarius during it all. Meeting up with the SNODE, no doubt, and giving my natal MOON-URA a real 'taste of its own medicine'. I needed it, though.

He was kind of flabbergasted to learn that I had NO idea that he's in love with me. (Per a conversation we had a couple of weeks past.) Then he admitted that he knew it in 2013! I asked why on earth he didn't say, and he very truthfully said, 'you weren't ready.' Ohh-ho! Well, isn't THAT convenient! He's probably right, though. My head did explode just a tiny bit to actually hear the words. Which were offered spontaneously, and matter-of-fact, in regards to something else, even!

To where I had to catch him, 'hang on; you're in love with me?' And he just blinked.

Were we watching ourselves, no doubt it would've been a very funny moment. He even said that we won't be able but find it funny in the years to come. And now, a couple of weeks later, it's just a nice, soft, wonderful feeling that I allow to wash over me when I think of it sometimes. Pure gratitude. I have to shake my head sometimes and go, 'is this really happening?' and then some other part of me says, 'oh, my goodness, can you not just sit back and enjoy anything?' I think I'm guilty of that, too.

posted June 19, 2015 05:40 PM            

"but the reality is that it is a direct contact, and that is about as much of a 'response' you can get."
Yes.

The day after that I was at his concert. And well it was sort of a little vague, though he once again was deciding to pace up and down the aisle I was sitting at, instead of staying on stage. But no not a direct contact. Unless we count the accidental brushing of my shoulders at the second occasion while hurrying back to stage, which, for an accident seemed almost, I don`t know, deliberate?
But THAT is something I can simply misunderstand and I certainly am not going to make too much of it.

Anyway what I did nto get wrong is that just a few minutes later, he was pretty much staring at me for almost 10 seconds straight. lol
I know that cause I remember the lines he was singing:
"Too late for second-guessing
Too late to go back to sleep
It's time to trust my instincts
Close my eyes and leap!"

Anyway usually at a point one of us would have looked away, I mean you do not even stare at someone who is on stage. lol Not like this. But for some weird reason neither of us did. look away. for the longest time. I for my part was physically unable to. It was a little weird.
And when I didn`t, it suddenly was as if a light was being switched on in his expression, and he was looking at me with such a stunned expression. And when the revelation registered with him, he just seemed so happy. It was amazing to see that on his face.
Of course I can be wrong about that, delusional, but at the smae time it felt like a moment of rare clarity and understanding, which of course will be suppressed and taken back again.
I am not quite sure what it was, but something was up that night. lol

Nevertheless, while I expected him to get all silent and absent again (as he usually does after such a shared experience, as we both have to find back to our real lives again, almost seems like that), he surprised me once again.
His absence lasted about 3 days. lol
And then he just put that post out there telling that we should keep a free spot in our calendar for 15th august.
Nothing more. Just that.
Cruel man.

I suppose he has scheduled something, another concert probably, though before friday he always was going on about how that was going to be the only concert this year. *shrugs* maybe he changed his mind, cause he had fun on the concert.

Anyway, I did mention in my comment that this is mean, making everyone so curious and not saying anything anymore. And I also asked why we should keep that free spot in our calendar for that date.

I was not the only one commenting, so I guess his response was not so much directed personally at me, but sort of including me as well. *sighs* He just said that he heard his hometown would be a very beautiful place at that day.

At least I know now where. Though still no clue WHAT he has planned. LOL

WEird though, that these two things are on two subsequent weekends.

Well, he certainly keeps me intrigued.

"Riley doesn't know why she goes to that particular place at that time, and she's completely convinced that she's mad during the 'little conversations' she'll have with Penderan in 'the moments between sleep', (as Dodgson used to call them)."
I call them like that, too. Did not know he did that before, too.

But yes, this sounds so familiar. Actualy it has becomes so normal for me, that I sometimes forget how weird it must sound. lol

posted June 19, 2015 10:20 PM            

I don't know if what I will share will help or Hender, or if it's what your even looking for. But I'm willing to share my experience, you can choose what works for you.

Consistent honesty and respect
We always maintain a level of respect, even when disagreeing. We have never spoken a cuss word towards each other, ever!
Sometimes we do need space or a short break, we always give each other that space. It's never long. We are stronger with each break.
Honesty, we know the true person, but haven't confide every secret. It's slow process, but lie we don't lie, can I say a lie has never happen, no I can't. I'm sure somewhere down the line lies have occurred.

Otherworldly experiences
I have no memory of dreams, idk. Idk what the hiero is, so I can't say.
I feel that I did astral project to him 1x. It freaked me out. Scared me.
Sometimes when I wake up, I'm so tired like if I was up all night, and I feel like I just talked to him. I feel xhausted the whole day. I dream about him, he has told me he dreams about me, but can't remember the dreams. Personally I don't pay attention or look for the 11:11.
Soul connection. I've know him for 12 years, 6/7 yrs have been on a romantic level. The first 5 years or so, I always knew something about him. I woukd watch him, but never ever speak to him. His presence kinda freaked me out, I just knew something about him, but couldn't put my finger on it (we were both married at this time)
I knew from the moment we spoke that I was hitting an important relationship. I had instant trust and affection. I never trust anyone!
I know I can feel his moods, I can feel him deep in my stomach and my chest. It makes me woozy at times. At first idk what I was feeling, I thought it was me, but now I know it was him also, it's kinda hard to feel someone else emotions. It's a hard thing to understand and get use to. The psychic connection gets stronger the more we commicate and bond, when we have deep conversations. We had a 4 day conversation on SM.
When one of us is anger, or upset with the other I can feel the bond being torn, not ribbed but like a hole. It feels painful, it makes me sick to my stomache. I feel an urgency to re bond, like the disagreement isn't worth sickness.

Parallelism.
We have so many it's amazing.
I was born in KY, him in Ca. I'm 6 years Older than him.
I moved to CA when I was 6. I asked my mom what month we moved to CA, she said Feb. No date though. This was when he was born.

His dad (past away) is my x husband name
His bro (past away) is my sons name
Our kids are born 1 day apart
We have worked for the same company since the age of 20 (6 yrs apart) different locations.
We attended the same work events every year prior to working the same location, ( never meeting)

The stories of our marriage are similar yet opposite.
We shared so many stories, ironically our life events have been so similar, but a little different.
We mirror each other. We are the same, yet opposite.
He's logic, I'm emotions. I'm learning to be more logic, he's learning to be more emotional.
One day I gave him my password to my PC, so he could get into it for me. I said I can't freaking believe it, I said what. He said that's my EXACT same password. It's was so random word. And number no meaning between us.

When we do separate,, the universe always brings us back. I see signs, and everything telling me to go back.

We did separate for 6 months, honestly it didn't get better, it got worse being with out him. I wanted to get hypnotized to forget him. That's how bad it got. Pure torture. It didn't get better. He passed by my house during this separation. He said right at that exact moment, I walked onto my porch and stared at his car (he came in a car I wouldn't recognize) I knew it was him, even did a horary asking. But I couldn't see him due to tinted windows)
Not speaking to him for 1 day is torture. We talk/text 30x a day. From 6am until good night time. It's never enough. We just aren't satisfied not speaking. On some days, even if we are extremly busy we talk or text every 15 mins give or take. It's a running joke between us. If 30 mins go by. One of us call and say, it's past 15 min mark!!! We laugh and hung up.

Mutuality
I have zero doubts that he cares for me. He tells me (remember he's not good with emotions) I can't even tell you in words how much I care, he says I keep in grounded, and realistic ( he wants to accomplish everything in 1 day) he puts him self down when he doesn't. I pick him back up. He says he enjoys talking to me every chance he can. He says he will be here for me no matter what. All I have to do is call him, and he be here in a heartbeat.
I have a cancer Venus so love for me, is emotional support. He's more than willing to give me that. He's the first person I can be vulnerable with. I trust him with my soul.

Is it perfect between us, no. We both have relationship issues. We are both learning to care and be supportive.
It's been a very long internal battle. It's touches the deep part of me. Yeah it's greaking hard! Sometimes I wanna bang my head through the wall.

Sm,TF, karma, all in my head. It doesn't matter I know this is the most important relationship of my life.
That's all the confirmation I need. I can't, not have him in my life, in some form.

posted June 20, 2015 12:14 PM            

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Even as a kid I was looking for this boy, I was even expecting him in some sort of tower.

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posted June 20, 2015 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
LOL. It's totally irrelevant in this thread but you mentioning this here just 2 days since he told me that our story is one like the Fairytale of Rapunzel (where she was captured in a tower and he coming to her with the help of her hair) totally made me smile. I don't know why he brought that up but he did and now i probably have to figure that one out.

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Selene,

posted June 20, 2015 01:36 PM            

(I love my family to bits and it shouldn`t be read too negatively, but maybe I was too sheltered in some way.
The harshest disagreeemtn I had with my mom especially was as a child when she flat out denied I was having a twin, even though I REMEMBERED him.
Other girls were thinking they were adopted, I never doubted this was my family, but was feeling as if they were keeping my twin from me.

It was only years later that i learned that actually my mom had been thinking she was going to have twins, as twinbirths have happened in her line of the family before and it would have been her turn, but instead, it was only me.

Nevertheless from my first coherent thought on I Was fascinated with twins.)

posted June 20, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I do.

(I love my family to bits and it shouldn`t be read too negatively, but maybe I was too sheltered in some way.
The harshest disagreeemtn I had with my mom especially was as a child when she flat out denied I was having a twin, even though I REMEMBERED him.
Other girls were thinking they were adopted, I never doubted this was my family, but was feeling as if they were keeping my twin from me.

It was only years later that i learned that actually my mom had been thinking she was going to have twins, as twinbirths have happened in her line of the family before and it would have been her turn, but instead, it was only me.

Nevertheless from my first coherent thought on I Was fascinated with twins.)

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posted June 21, 2015 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Auby,

Since this is a Twin Flame thread, may I ask what made you come to the conclusion that people had to be 'born' TFs in order to have a chance of meeting their other half ? Wasn't everyone's soul split in two in the beginning of time ? Just curious.

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Hey there, Pel. I'm glad you asked.

There's been more research directed to this area within the past several years -- almost as if it were gearing towards the 2012 hullabaloo. Nonetheless, it was a big year for many twins, and soul mates and karmic partners of all kinds. The 'going' theory for many years stemmed from Plato, as you'd properly alluded.

But it's since seen The Seth Material, The Michael Teachings, as well as Cayce. So we have Graduate Theory, Multidimensional Theory, and 'the Angel Perspective' (for lack of better). (Bear in mind, too, these are being oversimplified to the point of insult. Each is worth thorough investigation for the interested scholar of spirituality and soul.

And, to each their own, too.

For me, R and I stumbled into Graduate Theory without even realising it. Then it was as if our soul family started emerging from the woodwork. Many I knew, plenty I didn't. We established 'multidimensional' relationships then, around 2012. Sharing in experiences of astral travel and dimensional awareness. It was ... crazy.

So, for me, personally, Graduate Theory is the closest match to what I've experienced 'to be true' -- per my reality, and perception. I've also found the Michael Teachings have done lovely work of filling in some gaps in that 'education'. And, of course, I was raised on Seth.

While we may or may not all have a twin flame somewhere in the multiverse, I feel to experience an embodied physical relationship with ours is rare and hard wired into our soul's agenda. But that depends upon what a twin flame is. I must confess, I don't know; I'd never claim to. But I can theorise that it's a unique relationship between polar energies -- masculine and feminine -- which are separate for the purpose of dualism.

That I'm a twin flame is less ultimately shocking to me than the reality that it's my destiny to unite with my twin flame to fulfil my soul's mission. That's a bit to wrap one's head about!

I feel that I've been 'dealing' with this strange understanding via my fiction for a very long time; trying to truly grasp it, comprehend what I'm to do with it or why. But the signs were always there. I've been writing twin flame stories my whole life in some way. They just progressively became more obvious, and began to incorporate multidimensionality after Penderan came onto the scene.

But there's always the possibility that none of it's true, and all a grand coincidence. No doubt I've amassed enough to where even my former debunking self would have to go, ' ... all right, now that ... is impossible.' Because so much of it feels that way. Truly incredible to the point of being impossible.

If I were to be honest, I'd say my dreams shifted into a bizarre new octave after my boyfriend and I began our relationship. Each night after we'd spent time together, I'd have the most powerful dreams -- and plenty other times. Christmas of 2012 and 2013 were both uncanny astral travels. I ended up meeting a soul sister who would become integral during the several months she experienced a soul-crushing relationship. And where we met, she was engaged to be married. Ohhh, so hard!

The themes, outside of being a panoply of different ways in which we had known each other -- various roles and relationships -- were centred on my accepting that I was returning to a vast collective, and had to sacrifice my individuality. I wasn't ready yet! While I loved being one with all of my brothers and sisters again, I also had to realise that the life I'd known and had lived up to that moment was ending. I couldn't go back -- only forward. I thought my head was going to explode; so many perspectives -- being hooked into so much at once!

I've begun recounting these in a fictional memoir called #TimeLordProblems. Heh. It's fun. The semi-autobiographical compilation of a TV writer's dream journal.

The whole twin flame thing ... it goes far beyond the potential reunion with your own. That much I've gleaned. It's a whole process, and there's a raging debate on what's what of it. I can only share my personal experience culled from research and my own perception.

posted June 22, 2015 03:34 PM            

Well, I'm not really familiar with the other theories of the twin flame concept, so I'll be doing some research on that. I asked because I've been wanting to do my own work about TFs ; using only Plato's Symposium theory, I thought perhaps we could look for indicators in the natals showing an eventual reunion with your other half in this reincarnation (indicators which, perhaps, would be kinda similar to the results of your own research, even if we're using different TF theories).

Since, according to TF mythology, ZEUS is the one who split the initial human being in two, perhaps it'd be interesting to see how its asteroid ZEUS (5731) and eventually its Roman equivalent JUPITER play out natally and in these relationships. I do realise that this is just a start compared to the amount of work you've done, but it's worth a try, yeah ? (If you haven't tried it out yet, that is.)