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Gabby
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posted July 23, 2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've ran across this a few times, but have not found information on it...when I've seen it, it's always been tight 0-1 degree and typically the couple has a very pretty composite but a less than easy synastry.

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posted July 23, 2015 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should try to dissect and infer in this case

Vertex
"What does the word vertex mean? The word vertex comes from the Latin root word vertere, meaning to change, to turn, turn frequently or spin. It also can mean a crowning point, summit, top or crest. Words having this Latin root include vertebrae, (joint, having something to turn on) vertigo (dizzy, disoriented, spun out) vertical (from top to bottom) versatile (doing many things at once, to turn from one thing to another) and verticil (a circular arrangement around a fixed point, a whorl). The common theme here highlights change or movement, from one point to another, where the center remains fixed or the same."

"The vertex appears as a sensitive point linked to fateful encounters with others, seemingly sudden epiphanies, turning points in life and a destiny over which we have no control. Activated, it can synchronize with an experience of another whose effect registers as some degree of profound or extraordinary."
http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm
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Squares:
"Squares often point to energies that need work in order to integrate them easily into the interaction. While lack of understanding and frustration can be the result, they can also create just the right amount of tension to produce excitement in a relationship. Growth-oriented individuals will find that these "discordant" energies can spur them to new heights of understanding. " http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastry.html
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Square to Nodal Axis in synastry:
"Karmic condition exists:
– Two people have had prior life connections where
something occurred that caused a separation to
occur between them.
– Relationship has been interrupted – something did
not come to completion.
....
Intention is to repeat conditions to resolve and
evolve the relationship."
http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_ 06-S2-Synastry-Charts-Nodal-Axis.pdf
(Seems like a cool powerpoint from an astrology workshop)

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At the very core, I think the Vertex person will help the Node person evolve, and the Node person will cause a turning point in the Vertex person's life.

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posted July 23, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nicely broken down, thank you! That makes sense. Also fits very well with the tough synastry but a composite that shows once they come together they will both be benefitted.

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posted July 23, 2015 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Vertex square North Node natally and also in synastry with my guy as our vertices are conjunct... Thanks for the input. Will say more later.

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posted July 23, 2015 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This from another thread (here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208449.html)

on how the aspect can manifest natally:

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There doesn't seem to be a lot on Vertex out there.

Both of these are Axes. That is to say, if you have one, there is another straight across from it.


The Vertex is an electrical point, the impulses seem to me to come in there, and give catalystic effect into the Opposite House.

For me, it is a Mars effect going through to the Twelfth House, so I notice the effect of that Mars Planet on others through my Twelfth House.

If you have the Nodes Squaring, that makes it a Grand Cross formation. I will put that Chart Pattern interpretation at the end of this.

When you have a Planet that Squares the Nodes, they call that a "Skipped Step." That is perhaps something you refuse to face at an earlier time, so now it is brought to bear over and over again, until you learn to deal with it.

Really, it's a major pain in the butt.

With Vertex there, this would be doubly emphasized and electrified. Maybe it comes out in the Eleventh House things? Friends, Groups, Humanitarian Efforts?

Grand Cross

First: this person is a rare bird. This chart type seldom comes up; and is the single most used (and useful) of them all; they should prepare to be accessed. Folks like this are born with information somehow imbedded in their very physical fabric, information of enormous use to others and the world they find themselves living in. They are one of these and the key word for this Chart Type is “seminal,” so take note. This person’s influence will be felt by everyone who comes to know them, and almost everything they touch will bring results, but not always for them, personally.

And this too is important: this person’s gifts don’t depend on what they do or say, not even in how they appear or what they do. Think about that for a moment. It is what we ARE that is important and the information (if we can call it that) that this person carries embedded in their very genes and very self. This person has only to make themselves available and helpful to others for them, and whatever they represent, to benefit and take advantage of what they carry locked in their makeup.


A bit about the Nodes: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000151.html


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posted July 23, 2015 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, interesting, I have nodes squaring my AC/DC, it supposedly means I am antisocial, which isn't too far a stretch. My soulfriend and I have opposite vertexes, and I'm still confused about him. Lol

Edit: There is a skipped step thing too! His Moon is conjunct my AC (and thus square my nodes). I see him as, basically, one of the only people who 'gets' me.

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posted July 23, 2015 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That great information yungang_grotto, thanks for sharing.
In synastry I wonder if these ppl would come together to share information for both of them to make substantial progress.

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posted July 24, 2015 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to add that it's only in the case of a natal skipped step that the 'prior condition' is present, karmically speaking. The conjunction between the one with the skipped step and the point of the other's conjoining is what satisfies that condition.

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posted July 24, 2015 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my bf's vertex squares my nodes exact..i natally have mars square nodes(2 degrees) so his vertex makes a grand cross for me..his vertex also conjunct my valentine and widely my juno..my vertex conjunct his dsc..
anyone who has more information for vertex square nodes in synastry please share ..

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posted July 24, 2015 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit:
I screwed up my explanation. LOL

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posted July 24, 2015 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alyssa27:
my bf's vertex squares my nodes exact..i natally have mars square nodes(2 degrees) so his vertex makes a grand cross for me..his vertex also conjunct my valentine and widely my juno..my vertex conjunct his dsc..
anyone who has more information for vertex square nodes in synastry please share ..

Sounds like his VERTEX is conjunct your MARS? (Which is your skipped step?)

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posted July 24, 2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aubyanne-no his anti-vertex conjuncts my mars..i have a t-square with nn-mars-sn in aqu-taurus-leo and his vertex is in scorpio making the t-square a grand cross..and his vertex in scorpio also conjuncts my valentine/juno ..

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posted July 24, 2015 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alyssa27:
aubyanne-no his anti-vertex conjuncts my mars..i have a t-square with nn-mars-sn in aqu-taurus-leo and his vertex is in scorpio making the t-square a grand cross..and his vertex in scorpio also conjuncts my valentine/juno ..

Ah. Does anything of his conjunct your MARS? And, curiously, by what orb is MARS square the NODES?

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posted July 24, 2015 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
by 2 degrees..his moon conjunct my mars but with a 5 degree orb and the square to my nn/sn is too wide i think..aubyanne do u think that the vertex square to nodal axis is significant?

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posted July 24, 2015 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alyssa27:
by 2 degrees..his moon conjunct my mars but with a 5 degree orb and the square to my nn/sn is too wide i think..aubyanne do u think that the vertex square to nodal axis is significant?

I think the VERTICES square the NODES is significant when part of a greater pattern.

The MOON conjunct MARS is within orb at 5º. That's fine. And definitely a doozy. There's a karmic debt or experience here involving impulsivity and flying off the handle; I get the sense that MARS reacted to the MOON's emotional volatility, and the whole thing might've collapsed.

Other aspects to this conjunction will be insightful.

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posted July 24, 2015 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there is a trine to neptune and an opposition to pluto..
maybe that was the situation in a past life..the moon mars is a doublewhammy his mars squares my moon by 1 degree..i think in the present i'm the emotional one and he's the more aggresive

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posted July 24, 2015 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by alyssa27:
there is a trine to neptune and an opposition to pluto..
maybe that was the situation in a past life..the moon mars is a doublewhammy his mars squares my moon by 1 degree..i think in the present i'm the emotional one and he's the more aggresive

That tends to happen; switching roles to experience a sort of 'transdimensional empathy', if you will. I'm not sure how much NEP and PLUTO would be involved, given their being outers. Perhaps in an ambient fashion, or indicating some degree of spirituality or power struggle.

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posted July 24, 2015 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it would translate as fated to meet but the timing is off. You will touch paths in this life but just brush each others shoulders per say.

Or the northnode person maybe feels the vertex person gets in the way of NN person's personal growth or getting ahead.

Or the vertex person pushes the NN person to face lessons he or she is not ready to face and resists it.

Goood question..

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posted July 28, 2015 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had actually gone over the charts of all the significant relationships in my life (both friendship and romantic)in which I had accurate birth times. This was with the people who mattered in my life or who had made a difference in my world somehow.

In all but 2, there was a Vx, NN connection. And most of the time it was a square.

In my opinion, after conducting that little survey, I believe the sq is just as significant/powerful as a conjunction as long as it's fairly tight.

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posted July 28, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VestasLight:
I had actually gone over the charts of all the significant relationships in my life (both friendship and romantic)in which I had accurate birth times. This was with the people who mattered in my life or who had made a difference in my world somehow.

In all but 2, there was a Vx, NN connection. And most of the time it was a square.

In my opinion, after conducting that little survey, I believe the sq is just as significant/powerful as a conjunction as long as it's fairly tight.


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