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PixieJane
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posted July 30, 2015 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to show the chart because everyone I was able to save and alter then had to be uploaded and I didn't like the info that could be gleaned from the coding (if you don't know what I mean then suffice to say I don't feel comfortable with it), nor do I want to give the exact time or name of someone whose chart I don't have permission to share and so far every site I've tried has been too flawed in one regard or the other for me to use. Therefore I'm going to show the next two charts in text form only:

ME:

Rising Sign is in 26 Degrees Leo

Sun is in 27 Degrees Libra
Mercury is in 10 Degrees Libra
Venus is in 24 Degrees Libra
Saturn is in 25 Degrees Libra
Pluto is in 26 Degrees Libra

Jupiter is in 15 Degrees Scorpio

Moon is in 17 Degrees Sagittarius
Mars is in 22 Degrees Sagittarius
Uranus is in 02 Degrees Sagittarius
Neptune is in 24 Degrees Sagittarius

N. Node is in 06 Degrees Cancer.

END CHART 1


HER:

Rising Sign is in 19 Degrees Capricorn

Sun is in 28 Degrees Libra
Mercury is in 10 Degrees Libra
Venus is in 24 Degrees Libra
Saturn is in 25 Degrees Libra
Pluto is in 26 Degrees Libra


Jupiter is in 15 Degrees Scorpio

Moon is in 23 Degrees Sagittarius
Mars is in 22 Degrees Sagittarius
Uranus is in 02 Degrees Sagittarius
Neptune is in 24 Degrees Sagittarius

N. Node is in 06 Degrees Cancer

END CHART 2

This is not me accidentally posting the same placements twice, we were born about 11 hours apart in the same hospital. Note that our ASC are different (in addition to a few subtle differences in degrees).

To top it off our full names are almost identical which is why in one class we had to sit next to each other as the teacher liked to sit us in alphabetical order ([sarcasm]must be one of the socialization techniques schools are said to be masters of, right along with no talking most of the time or passing notes![/sarcasm]).

Despite this, I expect most astrologers seeing us would be surprised (at least before getting the particulars of our chart) which I'll explain next...

I'm intensely curious how those experienced in interpersonal astrology will interpret this!

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LaceyLeigh
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posted July 30, 2015 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just crop your screenshots so that the names and locations aren't visible.

But, either way, not everyone is going to get along with their astro-twin. Just like you said, your charts are so similar that it kind turns you off. Everything you dislike about her, might be a quality that you have, as well.

You also have different rising signs, so the way she expresses herself, obviously rubs you the wrong way.

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LaceyLeigh
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posted July 30, 2015 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dp.

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PixieJane
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posted July 30, 2015 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HER:

She almost always had her long hair back (hairclips, braids, and even stylish scrunchies that didn't look 80s), earrings (usually simple but pretty hoops), a little makeup tastefully applied, very respectable clothes (typically a dress, very feminine, I recall tasteful plaid and argyle being common with plenty of stripes and polka dots and even gingham wasn't unknown, but no bright reds, blacks, or even whites save maybe as a splash, she usually wore subdued colors, it seems dark blues and blue grays were preferred), loafers or slip-ons and even Mary Janes.

The school we went to had a very strict dress code (and yet the principal wasn't satisfied as he was pushing for school uniforms, perhaps the one thing we both could've bonded over if the subject had come up) so I don't know if that's how she looked outside of school. My look was different so hers may have been as well. (We did run into each other a couple times out of school but the only time I got a good look at her was when she was with her mom at the mall and she may have dressed a bit differently because of her mother being present...we said nothing to each other then.)

She seemed to be "proper" (for want of a better word) and she didn't cringe, she was quite expressive as I was and seemed confident in who she was for the most part (and unlike most girls she confronted me directly rather than being passive aggressive). She didn't appear to be at all athletic (not that I'd call her overweight), however (wouldn't surprise me if she tried out for cheerleading since cheerleaders got special privileges--but about as hated as they were popular--but if she did she didn't make it).

ME:

There just wasn't a lot of money for clothes. Basically I wore what Granny got me or I got from thrift stores (which were much cheaper back then), or even what I could get from friends. Jeans (typically the regular kind but I also had black) with regular but almost generic shirt (but oversized, very loose and often reaching down to my thighs) were common, no makeup or jewelry, my hair was boyishly short, I did like arm wraps (usually striped, my favorite was gray & blue or black & green, but I had other kinds and also other styles) and would wear a functional (rather than stylish) brown or black belt which was sometimes necessary to keep my pants on. I did have some black capris along with dark green cargo pants (both a bit large for me) but they were what was available. I usually wore dark colored or gray socks (harder to tell when I got them dirty that way, or if I did then at least no one cared) and regular tennis shoes. It wasn't exactly grunge but it was close (though if my jeans frayed or got ripped I'd pass them off as grunge and I also had some flannel shirts which I'd sometimes wear over my oversized shirts), maybe one could call it hodgepodge.

Outside of school I'd sometimes wear beanies (had a gray one and one that was a striped bright red, yellow, and orange, both were given to me) and more often wore a bandana (I had multiple colors) to help keep my hair out of my face (it was against school rules to wear anything like that in school so I didn't there, and one reason why I don't know if the other girl liked to wear anything on her head outside of school). I also had some really cheap rings (some with spikes on them) and might wear gloves (better to cushion my hands when I fell off my board). I did have some muscle shirts & striped crop tops (good in the summer!) but I wasn't allowed to wear those in school (when I did wear them I often wore my striped arm wraps, especially if skating because they helped protect my forearms from getting scraped).

I also liked drawing on my clothes but that wasn't allowed in school either (and got sent home over it).

Us next to each other in class:

Like her I was expressive and didn't seem to care what others thought but I was much more casual in my walk and talk, and even the way we sat at our desks was different (her with legs together, arms in front of her, possibly leaning forward, but I move around when I felt like it and wasn't shy about stretching my limbs).

She also mocked my accent which was pretty strong. Gods, we were terrible, she'd mock me for being from the sticks and insinuate insulting things over it and I'd say there's a lot more to it like horseback riding, swimming and fishing on my family's farm, and...as I pantomimed aiming a shotgun at her....using stuck-up ******* for target practice...the class loved us sniping at each other (I think I only called her a ***** once since I got sent to the office for it), I treated it as a game (with an annoying opponent) but she was serious about it.

I think we both made very good grades...perhaps she studied more than I did and took offense that I was allowed to read in class AND that I still made As for the most part. I believe she wouldn't have cared so much if my grades were worse than hers (and yes, she DID look over at my papers when they were handed back and after awhile, especially after she commented on something, I even made a production of showing her by holding it toward her with both hands, possibly announcing my grade and any comments and asking what she got, the class thought that was funny).

Mostly she hated my friend (actually all my friends who were all boys that year save one, and she hated her in particular) who really was promiscuous and assumed I was as well, and hated my look, my "thrashing" (though she mockingly agreed I "looked thrashed"), and my supposed having sex with any boy I could which she figured was why I took up "boy stuff" because no girl would have anything to do with me save one whom she also hated ('course that becoming targets probably had more to do with it, or they'd feel intimidated by my crowd--this year was very unusual for me to only be close to one girl, but the vicious girl world did play a part in why that was so).

Of course the boys in my crowd did get girlfriends and they were almost never friendly to me, and a few were downright nasty in their jealousy, and when one friend of mine kicked her to the curb because he couldn't stand her being so clingy, distrusting, and telling him he couldn't have anything to do with me the girls naturally assumed he and I were having sex (we weren't) rather than we'd been friends for years who both had to endure alcoholic 'rents and shared a love of fantasy fiction (he was also into skateboarding though he lost his board and didn't try very hard to replace it) and his house was like a 5 minute walk from where I lived. And this girl born the same day as me sitting next to me determined to show her contempt (and try to get others to do so) also believed that I was letting him bang me and was of the school of thought that males and females couldn't have anything in common besides sex/romance no matter the similar interests and home life we shared.

To her I was a failure as a girl, a hick from the sticks, and a threat to every girl in a serious relationship as I might seduce her guy, especially when I was "with the boys" without the girls (because why else would I be with them?). I got the impression that she felt I was a bad example that deserved punishment lest other girls follow my example, or lest boys think they could get away with having sex with me while having girlfriends, that is she wasn't trying to bully me so much as prosecute me somehow. (To my knowledge she didn't give anyone else a hard time, but then I knew almost nothing of her outside that class.)

(She herself had a virginal presentation, though I don't know how accurate that actually was. But even the girls who were openly sexual--though they might limit themselves in some way such as oral--were typically monogamists or at least serial monogamists and still looked down on me and my BFF whom they assumed were having orgies or something...even my BFF who was promiscuous wasn't as wild as she was portrayed. As for me I was more curious than offended by the habits of my BFF and she also had an abusive alcoholic dad and when she moved almost next door to me I was glad to finally know a girl who didn't shun me, though she was shunned by the other girls our age just as I was.)

But when I left class I pretty much forgot her. She wasn't as important to me as I was to her. Perhaps my having some serious problems at home and the like made her and the high school drama seem insignificant in comparison, I don't know.

But she loathed me, and after it came out that we shared the same birthday we were asked where we were born and both of us knew the hospital, which was the same, and the one who asked that then asked me if I'd stolen her pacifier back then given how much she hated me (and did so instantly) which had the class laughing. (No one thought I hated her, but perhaps disdainful would've been accurate. But if she wanted to push me around I was more than willing to push back, even if the teacher favored her over me but once class was over then she was dismissed by me as much as the class itself.)

I don't hold it against her today but as I put more stock in astrology I wondered why this was so and I fairly recently managed to find her and have a friend make contact and slowly get her birth data (I helped in analyzing her chart, though she doesn't know that, at least not that it was me specifically) because I've always wanted to know her ASC to see why she hated me practically on sight. I still haven't made contact as I don't see a point though we might get along today now that both of us are (presumably) more mature and less impulsive.

And I'm curious how astrology would explain this, and apparently just how big a difference even the ASC can make in the chart. (Of course maybe we were just raised in such a different environment that our "potential" was shaped differently, and combine that with Sag energies and both of us being born the Year of the Dog then maybe being so alike inside while shaped differently on the out made our sniping at each other inevitable.)

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posted July 30, 2015 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rising sign and houses are huge!!
Obviously the rising sign, cap is going to be much more focus on being proper while leo is going to care more about being happy and enjoying themselves. That's just the beginning though...

What happens in situations like this is at the core, your energy and planets are very similar but that energy is being focused and directed in very different ways.
If your Sun falls in your 3rd house, your going to care more about communicating your ideas, your need to think, ponder, and learn(not necessarily in a "schoolbook" style of learning) will be very important to you.
You will also have an easier time learning as the 3rd house is ruled by mercury and your sun lights up your ability to think!
Her Sun potentially falls in her 10th, meaning she's not enjoying learning like you. Learning is a means to an end, to get the good grade, to get into the good school, to get the good job. Of course your 3rd house Sun is going to allow you to digest information easier and look like you don't care. You don't have to try because you actually enjoy it and it comes easy to you unlike her. She probably does not enjoy learning she's only doing it because she wants to get where she's going, it's out of obligation more than enjoyment.

The foundation of your houses, the angles are making life very different for each of you. This creates environmentally taught behaviors that are nothing alike between you....therefore the clothes, the way she expresses herself, her style, her level of comfort, the way she lives, her families money or status at home is very different from yours and impacts the way you and her come across. The stresses her parents put on her are different from the stresses your parents put in you. Maybe she's the first child and your the baby or vice versa...
She's learning different moral values and these moral values will be expressed in ways unique and different depending on the religion or culture you each grow up in or the lack of religion and culture.

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posted July 30, 2015 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course she's going to see you as a threat, sexually all that saggy stuff is in your 5th house.....falls in her 12th.
All that you express through that easy going fun loving sexual energy of the 5th house, she represses, she's scared of it. That makes you very intimidating to her, which in turn makes you a threat and she acts out on that fear you bring up in her.
She probably thinks she's so much better than you but can't figure out why your so much happier and seem to be at peace with yourself when she cannot find that same peace inside herself.

Speaking as a person with a 12th house moon, it's not hard to feel intimidated, jealous and upset when I see another virgo moon who uses their moon so effortlessly, they can love and express their emotions without fear. While I struggle and fear and wonder if it will ever get easier to find the strength to openly express my emotions, it's hard to watch someone do something so effortlessly while I can't do it to save my life.
Her planets are inhibited, they are conjunct your planets which are easily expressed...she felt it and that's hard to deal with.

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posted July 30, 2015 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh. One of my lead actors was born 4 hours off of RDJ. They're surprisingly alike, but I have no clue if they'd dig each other or be annoyed. Astrotwins are funny like that.

Mine (2 hours off) and I get on rather well, fortunately.

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PixieJane
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posted July 31, 2015 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, Gabby!

I had some ideas but wasn't happy with them as they didn't seem to fit as neatly as I hoped but your analysis makes so much sense!

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posted July 31, 2015 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Thanks so much, Gabby!

I had some ideas but wasn't happy with them as they didn't seem to fit as neatly as I hoped but your analysis makes so much sense!


Sure!! Glad to help!
I've studied many twins charts and it's amazing what only a few minutes difference can make. When you really start looking for why 2 ppl with all the same planets are so different you find out how important the houses are, there can be a big difference when their planets fall in different houses. It may at first appear to be subtle differences but really they are not subtle when you look closely at the ppl.

I was looking at my chart, if I'd had a twin born only 50 minutes after me, her Pluto would be in her 12th, her Venus would be tight on her AC, 3-4 degrees...
My Pluto is 3 degrees on my AC(1st house side) and my Venus is 12 degrees into my 1st house...she would have been prettier, but yet struggled to find her power...while I seem to have it effortlessly. She might have seen the need to use her appearance as her power and got trapped in being pretty but nothing else.

Her Moon would be in her 11th instead of 12th like mine, she would be more popular and invest a lot into having friends, while I'm a loner and tend to isolate myself.

My Sun/Merc/Nep is on the cusp of 2nd and Neptune is fully in 3rd...her stellium would be fully in 2nd, with no 3rd house Neptune. I'd be much more spiritual and need to search for a higher calling..her not as much. I'd be much more psychic than she would be because of my 12th house moon, 8th house SN and Neptune in 3rd, she wouldn't have any of those gifts.

I'd be smarter but you might not see that initially. I would learn in a very different way than she does. The way I learn would not be typical and I'd struggle in school where she would seen to get it easier. Neptune in 3rd needs a very fluid thought process, but that's not how schools teach.
I'd get subtle nuisances and feel ppl, she'd be a more concrete thinker and worried about what she needed and wanted, I'd be less concerned with that stuff.

There's a lot of differences to be seen, that changes the way we grow and develop, just like between you and your astro twin. I bet had she not had planets in her 12th, you guys would have gotten along much better!

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