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Aubyanne
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posted August 03, 2015 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zane Stein is one of my favourite people. He was one of the many 'aunties and uncles' from whom I learnt astrology back in the '90s, being graciously taken under the wings of some of the most brilliant astrological minds of the 20th century, and today.

When I saw that he shared this on a lesser travelled website, I thought this needs to be more accessible. It's wonderful information, and it's Zane Stein! If you're unfamiliar with his work, just think of him as 'the godfather of Centaur research'. It's not far from the truth, and likely quite accurate.

The following specifically deals with CHIRON in synastry, making close aspects to planets, other asteroids, and the NODES. I found the information fantastic.

@yungang_grotto: this could likely assist you, too.

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CHIRON
If you have your natal Chiron in conjunction to a planet in another’s chart, there is automatically some type of attraction, usually mutual. And the area of attraction fits the nature of the other planet. The attraction is not of sexual nature, unless the other planet is something like Mars or Venus. Rather, it is the attraction toward someone who seems to be traveling along the same path---a kindred spirit in some fashion. And, [here is a crucial point], what happens next depends a great deal upon the type of relationship, but even more, on the person’s self-image. IF each individual is fairly well-balanced, an excellent relationship can develop here with a feeling of being true equals in whatever area the planet represents. This is truly a good thing in romance, as you can imagine. It can be very positive in teacher/pupil and parent/child relationships because both feel free to learn from the other. BUT, if one of the individuals feels severely lacking in this area, or in need of help, that person turns to the other as a teacher, or guide, and seeks the other’s ‘superior wisdom.’ As you can imagine, this would be of benefit in counseling, or parent/ child---but can be a possible hazard in such relationships as marriage. Given enough time the Chiron aspect tends to equalize differences, and so the two people have a chance to grow eventually to feel equal here. But, until then, it is possible to build up resentment against the very person from whom you are seeking help.

No matter which type of relationship this is, one thing seems especially to be true---the planet that is aspecting Chiron from one chart to the other seems unable to keep up defenses to keep the Chiron person out. It is as if, for the Chiron person, the walls around the other come tumbling down---or at least the Chiron person has little trouble getting inside the walls the other person has built around self. And depending on how thick those wails were initially, and how dependent the person was on the security provided by the walls---such openness can be felt as truly fantastic, or extremely frightening. Especially since the person being aspected by the other’s Chiron cannot develop any other way to erect wails around his/her planet.

NORTH NODE
The North Node shows the path a person needs to take in order to grow and evolve, while the South Node shows what we have already learned. If a person focuses on the South Node, they can for a time simply enjoy life, but if they dwell here very long, they will soon feel stuck in a rut, with growth kind of stunted or temporarily stopped completely.
We all go back and forth between the two nodes, because constant focusing on what we need to learn is tiring. That's why, in school, you have the semester, and then you have a term break.

CHIRON CONJUNCT NORTH NODE
There is an attraction, a feeling of kindred spirits, of travelling the same or similar spiritual pathways. The Chiron person, however, simply by being him or herself, always draws the Node person back to the path whenever he or she tends towards the South Node.
This can be both positive and negative. Positive, in that the North Node person's growth is greater, more advanced, more constant. Negative, in that the North Node person finds that they can't take a vacation from the hard work of evolution easily unless they take time away from the Chiron person.
The Chiron person opens doors for the North Node person, removing obstacles, showing shortcuts and novel ways to proceed, so the North Node person finds they do not have any reasonable excuses to avoid evolving.

The Chiron person in the relationship becomes all the more Chiron, because the North Node person draws out the Chiron person's higher self. The Chiron person learns much about him/herself in the relationship, and as a result becomes much more true to his/her unique purpose. He or she becomes less just one of the herd, and more and more, a maverick, or listens to 'the beat of a different drum'. In fact, the longer the two are together, the less important it will be to the Chiron person what 'they say', as in what the opinion of the public, or the establishment, is of him or her.

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posted August 04, 2015 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for this! I have my North Node conjunct my boyfriend's Chiron. We were definitely drawn together for sure. But there are also other aspects that describe the attraction.

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posted August 04, 2015 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad, PT.

Zane is amazing. I can legitimately say he's taught me most of what I know about CHIRON, and several other centaurs. Most of which aren't yet that known, but are fascinating.

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posted August 04, 2015 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshinedragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about Chiron conjunct Chiron exact?

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posted August 04, 2015 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Zane a lot. Thanks a lot A for sharing this, it is fantastic! I have this aspect with my aqua friend and he is the chiron, is very true.

Also I think this is cute my husband's knight conjuncts my chiron exact!

And my ex Draco Juno conjuncts my Tropic Chiron exact.

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posted August 04, 2015 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sunshinedragon:
How about Chiron conjunct Chiron exact?

How exact is exact, sunshine? 0º10? And were you born within a month of each other?

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posted August 04, 2015 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshinedragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
How exact is exact, sunshine? 0º10? And were you born within a month of each other?

actually just peeked at it, not totally exact but a 2 degree orb conjunction.
and no, we were born 2 months apart

his chiron also 2 degree orb opposite my NN
and my chiron 3 degree orb conjunct his sun

oh.. and his chiron is 0 exact conjunct my mars

whew?

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posted August 04, 2015 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshinedragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh and... my chiron opposite his saturn within 2 degree as well

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posted August 04, 2015 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sunshinedragon:
actually just peeked at it, not totally exact but a 2 degree orb conjunction.
and no, we were born 2 months apart

his chiron also 2 degree orb opposite my NN
and my chiron 3 degree orb conjunct his sun

oh.. and his chiron is 0 exact conjunct my mars

whew?


The CHIRON conjunction isn't anything major, being you're born near each other, and it moves slowly. Now, CHIRON conjunct the SNODE is interesting; CHIRON is here to heal from damage done by the SNODE in another lifeline. Understanding and forgiveness is what's required here.

Watch that CHIRON conjunct MARS (0°), though. That can be rather explosive.

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posted August 04, 2015 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshinedragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
The CHIRON conjunction isn't anything major, being you're born near each other, and it moves slowly. Now, CHIRON conjunct the SNODE is interesting; CHIRON is here to heal from damage done by the SNODE in another lifeline. Understanding and forgiveness is what's required here.

Watch that CHIRON conjunct MARS (0°), though. That can be rather explosive.


I've always strongly felt that he is my twin flame, or perhaps a sort of soulmate. We have very strong telepathy and I know him inside and out without even really knowing. He just feels like home.
Interesting.
Chiron conjunction Mars - explosive as in arguments ?if so then yess, very accurate

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posted August 04, 2015 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mereiposa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had two relationships with my chiron conjunct their saturn. My ex-husband, and that was a very rough relationship emotionally. I felt and still feel I carry him due to his lack of responsibility. My first relationship post divorce had the same aspect (they were same age), and we could never develop a real relationship. He was very dedicated to his work and could not set aside time to devote to us. He had too much responsibility and it left no room for me!

Then a male, platonic friendship with his chiron trine my venus (which I also have natally) and my chiron opposite his venus. We have unrequited love (him wanting a relationship with me), but we also have a beautiful, true friendship. It feels amazing and I love to be around him. He just doesn't activate me romantically.

Then with a man I have dated a little bit, I have his venus trine my chiron again, and my chiron sextile his venus and trine his mercury. It's early yet to say, but I have the same feeling of peace and gentle acceptance as I do in my friendship I mentioned above.

EDIT: I'd like to add that the first two were not spiritually in touch with themselves, but my venus chiron men definitely are. So that may illustrate the difference too!

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posted August 04, 2015 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 04, 2015 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just saw you mentioned me in the op ♡♡♡. Yes this is super helpful. Thank you! It's our composite Chiron conjunct his natal North Node and my Chariklo conjunct these... buuuut/aaand:

I've got Jupiter conjunct his Chiron. It is so interesting to read that Jupiter's defenses are coming down... That seems accurate... And it actually is a little scary to see all my dreams coming true. I'm in a place of doubt and holding back a little right now because sooo much is happening in such big ways which I've been waiting years to do, patiently... all of a sudden... wow.

His moon on my chiron in cancer, and yes, he's more vulnerable with me than with most other people..

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posted August 04, 2015 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have the Venus Chiron square in composite and it is one of the worst aspects in the whole schmamboizle for sure.

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posted August 04, 2015 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We all go back and forth between the two nodes, because constant focusing on what we need to learn is tiring. That's why, in school, you have the semester, and then you have a term break.

I LOVE that way of putting it! *deep sigh*

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CHIRON CONJUNCT NORTH NODE
There is an attraction, a feeling of kindred spirits, of travelling the same or similar spiritual pathways. The Chiron person, however, simply by being him or herself, always draws the Node person back to the path whenever he or she tends towards the South Node. 
This can be both positive and negative. Positive, in that the North Node person's growth is greater, more advanced, more constant. Negative, in that the North Node person finds that they can't take a vacation from the hard work of evolution easily unless they take time away from the Chiron person.


so in our case... It's the relationship itself which is forcing his growth. He is pretty devoted to it, so that's good for him! If a little exhausting... hmm. He's on a business/pleasure trip right now but things are still full tilt...

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posted August 04, 2015 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With my North Node on his Chiron, I won't say that it's particularly comfortable for either of us, especially as it's a very tight conjunction -- less than 1° degree!

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The Chiron person opens doors for the North Node person, removing obstacles, showing shortcuts and novel ways to proceed, so the North Node person finds they do not have any reasonable excuses to avoid evolving.

I would say this is extremely true! Now I have always wanted to be an illustrator and writer. And I just haven't been doing any of this -- I've felt stuck in the mud, for years. Then along comes my boyfriend and oh! What's that? Why haven't I done anything? Why, it's simple! You just have to do it! You don't have a table -- a chair -- paper -- pens? You can just get them! What's all this whining about?

There are also times when we inadvertently push each other's buttons, which can lead to small explosive fights that are generally fairly easy to resolve. He has a Cancer moon and an Aries Mars, so he has a pretty reactive temperament, but he is also highly perceptive and warm and kind (As much as he likes to pretend he is an evil lizard from hell).

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The Chiron person in the relationship becomes all the more Chiron, because the North Node person draws out the Chiron person's higher self. The Chiron person learns much about him/herself in the relationship, and as a result becomes much more true to his/her unique purpose. He or she becomes less just one of the herd, and more and more, a maverick, or listens to 'the beat of a different drum'. In fact, the longer the two are together, the less important it will be to the Chiron person what 'they say', as in what the opinion of the public, or the establishment, is of him or her.

My boyfriend has always been one to march to the beat of his own drum, so I am not sure what kind of drum will be beating in the future. I do feel bound to him. I also feel as though we heal each other. It's very easy for me to go off on paranoid flights of fantasy -- it is, truly, very hard for a Scorpio Mars to give up control -- but I have to, if I want to keep him. This is a part of life, and no one that I know is teaching me more about it.

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posted August 04, 2015 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ya... In my last relationship it was my Chiron conjunct his North Node. He could not take the heat. The relationship did not have the love and trust to make it through. My pain was his teacher and he wasn't ready to see how badly he was hurting me.

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