posted August 04, 2015 12:10 PM            

Aaannd now I see... to start with the potentially unsettling/where we left off in the Swindle/Amor thread (keeping everything below 1 degree orb):

his Lie is parallel each of our Ascendants and contra-parallel our Descendants

his Swindle parallel his Sun and contra-parallel my North Node

his Sun contra-parallel my North Node

my Saturn, Uranus and Neptune contra-parallel his North Node

his Venus parallel his Pluto and

my Venus contra-parallel his Venus and his Pluto

his Mars parallel my Sun

his Chiron contra parallel my Sun

the word parallel is so beautiful at this moment!

posted August 04, 2015 12:36 PM            

His Juno contraparallel my Venus
our Angels contraparallel
my Aphrodite parallel his Moon

posted August 04, 2015 01:00 PM            

so it's chiron parallel chiron and chariklo parallel chariklo and venus contraparallel venus between us...

posted August 04, 2015 01:08 PM            

Well, I do have some interesting experiences with them, and Howard and Hilarion's take echoes most deeply.

Conjunctions are karma that we're sorting out here in the present; we've worked diligently to make sure this is the time for us to do so. That's why these area have such intense focus. So anything we have conjunctions in are areas of special interest and deep focus.

Then parallels are 'tests from the past'. They seem to be more fundamental in karmic research, because they're going to tell more of the deeper story. They tend to manifest through 'act of God' and emotional experiences; this is when the tests will reveal themselves, and in regard to the nature of the aspects.

It's to ensure the lessons have truly been learnt, before advancement is made. The nature of what's involved indicates the lesson and even how it can be integrated. This isn't new karma, nor is it ancient; it's been tackled, even overcome before, and now shades and nuances are back in the present to ensure it's really overcome and truly learnt.

Good news? It's not as 'bad' as the conjunction. It's been worked through before, and now there are merely 'echoes' of its present to reaffirm it's been fully cleared, and you're ready to progress.

The opposition is the closest in relation, karmically, to the contraparallel -- even if that's not the nature of it. The contraparallel is more about merging -- and emerging. Almost like a secret place of meeting where the two, often otherwise disparate energies, can find common ground and potential for bonding. I don't think it's an accident that it tends to (but not always) accompany a quindecile or quincunx; at the very least signs about that distance from each other, which are of 'incompatible' element and mode. I'm quite fond of them. There's a draw, a definite magnetism, but it's gentler; softer. There's a unity all its own, once the energies have been well integrated. Think '[b]complementary[/b']. I think we're going to find contraparallels instrumental in ferretting out the greater mysteries of soul connexion research.

So, karmically, if the opposition makes us a 'pawn in the machinations of others', then we can presume there's a good deal of projection here. A bit like 7H placements, where they can be 'adopted' by others, whether we are consciously (or unconsciously) projecting the energy upon others, or they are taking up the role themselves due to our shared karma.

If internalised, it takes on the oppositional flavour: putting two parts of our nature into literal opposition: we will either succumb to the weight or find ourselves locked into a position of resistance until the lessons have been integrated. Unfortunately, we can get truly stuck here, battling between the two opposing forces.

My theory, actually, is that a synastric T-Square is a wonderful opportunity to escape it; the pressure can build beyond the capacities of both, yes, but through the energy and operation of the squaring point, compromise and harmony can be reached.

Contraparallels, in short, are also lessons that are being re-tested, set or 'scheduled' for sorting through in the present. They're just often 'shared', where one individual takes one point (or part of the energy, if a stellium) while the other takes the other.

posted August 04, 2015 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Very interesting, thank you. I'm digesting the karmic perspective... Whilst driving around and doing a million things Thank you...

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posted August 06, 2015 08:51 PM            

We wrote:

K: " So do you mean you don't ever count it even if only some 1-9' off, although it's trying for a DW? If it's not there, it's not on or not happening and no point trying for it?

Or do you mean "Yes, it's JUST ALMOST THERE for a reason. Then I delve more deeply to find what reason it's so slightly off" in the sense of wanting to find out what went "wrong" and why the thing is just out of reach of where it (supposedly) should be? Sort of à la: "We got close, but didn't quite achieve the objective, so need to figure out the reason why and 'fix' it this time around"? Is it as if something to work on for you since it's almost there, instead of the things we automatically do get through our charts just being the way they are?

The Valentine in question is contraparallel his Mars, Mercury, Pallas and Vesta and parallel Ceres, but the NN sweeps just wide. It does quite a bit in its own way I suppose, but doesn't mirror the NN-contact. His Valentine parallels my NN and DSC, contraparallel Psyche and Mars so it's the cpl-Mars that is the DW instead."

Aubyanne: "Yes, the latter. DW's overwhelm and overrule. They commandeer so much energy, that if it's NOT there, there's a reason for it. No doubt there's activity, though.

Did you read any of the latest parallels / contraparallels thread?"

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Conjunctions are karma that we're sorting out here in the present; we've worked diligently to make sure this is the time for us to do so. That's why these area have such intense focus. So anything we have conjunctions in are areas of special interest and deep focus.

Then parallels are 'tests from the past'. They seem to be more fundamental in karmic research, because they're going to tell more of the deeper story. They tend to manifest through 'act of God' and emotional experiences; this is when the tests will reveal themselves, and in regard to the nature of the aspects.

It's to ensure the lessons have truly been learnt, before advancement is made. The nature of what's involved indicates the lesson and even how it can be integrated. This isn't new karma, nor is it ancient; it's been tackled, even overcome before, and now shades and nuances are back in the present to ensure it's really overcome and truly learnt.

Good news? It's not as 'bad' as the conjunction. It's been worked through before, and now there are merely 'echoes' of it present to reaffirm it's been fully cleared, and you're ready to progress.

The opposition is the closest in relation, karmically, to the contraparallel -- even if that's not the nature of it. The contraparallel is more about merging -- and emerging. Almost like a secret place of meeting where the two, often otherwise disparate energies, can find common ground and potential for bonding. I don't think it's an accident that it tends to (but not always) accompany a quindecile or quincunx; at the very least signs about that distance from each other, which are of 'incompatible' element and mode. I'm quite fond of them. There's a draw, a definite magnetism, but it's gentler; softer. There's a unity all its own, once the energies have been well integrated. Think '[b]complementary[/b']. I think we're going to find contraparallels instrumental in ferretting out the greater mysteries of soul connexion research.

So, karmically, if the opposition makes us a 'pawn in the machinations of others', then we can presume there's a good deal of projection here. A bit like 7H placements, where they can be 'adopted' by others, whether we are consciously (or unconsciously) projecting the energy upon others, or they are taking up the role themselves due to our shared karma.

If internalised, it takes on the oppositional flavour: putting two parts of our nature into literal opposition: we will either succumb to the weight or find ourselves locked into a position of resistance until the lessons have been integrated. Unfortunately, we can get truly stuck here, battling between the two opposing forces.

My theory, actually, is that a synastric T-Square is a wonderful opportunity to escape it; the pressure can build beyond the capacities of both, yes, but through the energy and operation of the squaring point, compromise and harmony can be reached.

Contraparallels, in short, are also lessons that are being re-tested, set or 'scheduled' for sorting through in the present. They're just often 'shared', where one individual takes one point (or part of the energy, if a stellium) while the other takes the other.

Bear in mind that natal contraparallels are often treated this way, too, with others taking that which we've disowned of their energy, and re-delivering it to us in our relationships through others. They're funny that way, karmically speaking.

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I'm amused now. Valentine-NN contacts, trying for the DW through parallels. Yeah, we're probably not doing the conjunction or other routes, but we likewise probably have been there and done that and are flouting the t-shirts saying "Twu wuv, sweetheart <3 " type things at each other. No, we're doing a square-march this time around. Lol. But yeah, I'm not sure how well we're going to get each other this time around with the squares galore (although my chart is full of them as it is) but there is a rather tremendous fondness for him otherwise, or on some strange level that probably isn't related to anything going on now. Just that "Aww, bless ya" type thing of wishing him well whatever the case (and hoping we don't clash too badly otherwise). I guess wishing blessings on someone is in a way selfless love, too, have to see. See how long we can keep doing that when the other person starts grating on us with our squares?

What, we got tired of doing conjunctions, so had to go over the top and try doing squares for a challenge this time around? GO BIG OR GO HOME. I wouldn't put it past us dorks, idiots that we can no doubt be, but maybe it's something else we did (or didn't do) that's making for such an excess of those, and not us being idiots by choice. Wherever before here, that is. I'm sure we can pull it off fine here if necessary.

"Contraparallels, in short, are also lessons that are being re-tested, set or 'scheduled' for sorting through in the present. They're just often 'shared', where one individual takes one point (or part of the energy, if a stellium) while the other takes the other."

So a Valentine cpl Mars DW doesn't do a splitting, instead of both doing both sides of the dance? At some stage, anyway.