posted August 06, 2015 04:26 PM            

Does the person you lost your virginity to have a male love object asteroid that conjuncts your Artemis or female love object if you are a male I suppose.

posted August 06, 2015 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thanks for the feedback.

Gabby can you transfer to interpersonal, I meant to post it there.

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posted August 06, 2015 07:41 PM            

I used Valentine, Eros, Psyche, Amor, Cupido(both), Osiris, Adonis, Aphrodite....what others do you suggest trying?

His Aphrodite does sit on my Mars exact...but he doesn't make any other aspects to my Artemis except Psyche.

My Artemis sits exact on his Chiron/Pluto midpoint...that's very telling about the relationship.

posted August 06, 2015 11:32 PM            

His ARTEMIS conjunct my PROSERPINA (0º)
His PROSERPINA opposite my ARTEMIS (0º)

Further, though they're out of orb, they're only about 5º away from each other, altogether, making a lot of connexions between Aries and Libra.

Regarding synastry:

My ARTEMIS is 0º square my NESSUS
His PROSERPINA is 0º square his DEJANIRA

That makes our NESSUS/DEJA conjunction the apex of a synastric T-Square, with the opposition between my ARTEMIS and his PROSERPINA.

Odd. There seems to be a bit here. I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

posted August 06, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
For what it's worth, we have some curious ARTEMIS-PROSERPINA aspects.

His ARTEMIS conjunct my PROSERPINA (0º)
His PROSERPINA opposite my ARTEMIS (0º)

Further, though they're out of orb, they're only about 5º away from each other, altogether, making a lot of connexions between Aries and Libra.

Regarding synastry:

My ARTEMIS is 0º square my NESSUS
His PROSERPINA is 0º square his DEJANIRA

That makes our NESSUS/DEJA conjunction the apex of a synastric T-Square, with the opposition between my ARTEMIS and his PROSERPINA.

Odd. There seems to be a bit here. I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

I'm something of a 'permavirgin' due to being vaginistic, and he's definitely helping me with that, through all of the work we do together.

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This entire response is fascinating to me, the artemis-proserpina aspects between the two of you and that tsquare!

I do feel that we should study this asteroid in connection to sexuality but I agree I don't know what to make of it yet I am just going with a hunch at this point.

I looked up permavirgin and the urban dictionary says it means: A person who, for various reasons, is likely to remain a virgin his entire life.

Aubyanne are you saying that you haven't been penetrated vaginally?? Are you truly a virgin in that sense?

"My ARTEMIS is 0º square my NESSUS
His PROSERPINA is 0º square his DEJANIRA
His ARTEMIS conjunct my PROSERPINA (0º)
His PROSERPINA opposite my ARTEMIS (0º)" A.

This blew my mind Auby in combination to your tsquare with him, its so elegant in some way.

Like I am so glad I started this thread even if this is all that it comes out of it bc you were meant to come across this set of interlinking patterns, It feels so good coming across something like this, I know how it feels; you have for sure witnessed it in here when it happens to me, its so cool to witness it happening for you.

This is an awesome finding for you and thanks for sharing it with us and letting me witness the beauty of a brewing epiphany! I would love to hear more your thoughts on all these connecting patterns you found as you discover more how it relates to your story with him.

posted August 07, 2015 12:23 AM            

Yeah, I had recently investigated ARTEMIS, so I knew of it being involved -- but not quite so dramatically. That got me, too! And yes, I do have the natal square of ARTEMIS and NESSUS -- conjunct NYMPHE-CERES -- and opposite AMOR. It's a Cardinal Cross, very loosely, with my PRIAPUS, 3º.

ARTEMIS is also 1º conjunct my PLUTO-BML (and his LILITH, 0º). It's a tad too far from my SUN, though; 4º.

Vaginismus is complicated. Yes, I have had successful penetrative intercourse. But every attempt is ... it always returns to square one. So, I'm perpetually having to battle a sense of being 'revirginised' between each session -- and, if I don't have intercourse for more than 3 months, it can take a much longer time to achieve successful intercourse again.

It's ... rough. I never thought of this in either PROSERPINA or ARTEMIS terms, but it makes sense. A lot, really.

And, yes, this is the synastry with my boyfriend, who has been miraculous in helping me through this. Two years of arduous dedication; putting up with the hard times, enjoying the (few) very good ones. Undertaking the 'deconstruction of sex' which I may've mentioned. It's taught us SO much.

posted August 07, 2015 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm glad, H.

Yeah, I had recently investigated ARTEMIS, so I knew of it being involved -- but not quite so dramatically. That got me, too! And yes, I do have the natal square of ARTEMIS and NESSUS -- conjunct NYMPHE-CERES -- and opposite AMOR. It's a Cardinal Cross, very loosely, with my PRIAPUS, 3º.

ARTEMIS is also 1º conjunct my PLUTO-BML (and his LILITH, 0º). It's a tad too far from my SUN, though; 4º.

Vaginismus is complicated. Yes, I have had successful penetrative intercourse. But every attempt is ... it always returns to square one. So, I'm perpetually having to battle a sense of being 'revirginised' between each session -- and, if I don't have intercourse for more than 3 months, it can take a much longer time to achieve successful intercourse again.

It's ... rough. I never thought of this in either PROSERPINA or ARTEMIS terms, but it makes sense. A lot, really.

And, yes, this is the synastry with my boyfriend, who has been miraculous in helping me through this. Two years of arduous dedication; putting up with the hard times, enjoying the (few) very good ones. Undertaking the 'deconstruction of sex' which I may've mentioned. It's taught us SO much.

We're definitely helping each other with healing separate, but very profound, deep wounds, stemming from each other's adolescence, mainly.

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Fascinating how you two coming together to heal past sexual wounds shows in your synastry in a form that connects clearly back to your natals with the aspects you mentioned in this thread.

I will share something with you that as an astrologer researcher and sex therapist you will find maybe interesting at least in your quest for underestanding artemis and nessus better and the different ways the two can play out. I feel that nessus is not automatically a villain or bad, sometimes it can be a fun primal energy to play with but I suppose if not channeled right can be problematic:

My ex who I consider the person who I truly lost my virginity to even though he technically wasn't but he is who it felt like I actually lost it to have the following aspects:

My Pholus in Aries @18d32
His Proserpina in Aries @21d52
My Persephone in Aries @22d32
His Pluto in Libra @22d
His Nessus in Cancer @24d09
My Artemis in Leo @23d35
My Venus in Leo @23d52
My Southnode in Sag @19d42
His Vertex in Sag @20d56

You see how Nessus is playing a role there A? Even though we never talked about there was this "virgin-rape" fantasy we shared I feel; I wanted to be his and I always wanted for him to feel I was his and that he could could always take me but all this was intuitive and not verbalized but we played it out in some level fantasy wise...

posted August 07, 2015 01:06 AM            

Ready to copy:
105, 26, 399, 763, 1388, 2101, 1221, 1923

posted August 07, 2015 05:41 AM            

His Artemis conjunct my Moon EXACT and my Jupiter&Artemis (2)

His Proserpina conjunct my Mercury&Venus exact, trine my Mars 1

His Persephone conjunct my Neptune 1 and trine my ASC exact

His Aphrodite conjunct my DSC exact

His Amor conjunct my Mars 1

My Artemis conjunct his DSC exact

My Aphrodite conjunct his MC exact

posted August 07, 2015 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
105 Artemis
26 Proserpina
399 Persephone
763 Cupido
1388 Aphrodite
2101 Adonis
1221 Amor
1923 Osiris

Ready to copy:
105, 26, 399, 763, 1388, 2101, 1221, 1923

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Apart from the virginal motif, if checking for the Proserpina - myth, we`d have to take the other "players" into account as well.

Proserpina/Persephone
Pluto
Ceres/Demeter
Eros/Cupido/Amor(possibly)
Venus/Aphrodite
Jupiter/Zeus

Prosepina/Persephone was the daughter of Ceres/Demeter with her brother Zeus/Jupiter. Yes, Proserpina had a father.
We know though of course that Jupiter was married to Juno, but that did not keep him from procreate with others, and Ceres was among the most important ones, being his sister and therefore among the "divine elite".
She seems to have been rather happy though with being a single-mom and totally devoted to her daughter as her daughter was to her.
In fact the mother-daughter-bond was TOO strong, it kept Proserpina from evolving. And she was very protected by her mother, which while generally a good thing, meant those two were too focused on each other, and Proserpina did not think of leaving home. Why should she?
She was a happy sheltered cared for daughter, even though having already reached (young) adulthood.

In a way this story is a growing-up-story for her too.

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In this situation some other players enter the stage. Now we all know Pluto will.
BUT actually he was a bit influenced himself.
In fact Pluto had been perfectly content in his gloomy dark underworld, grumpying and scowling through his days (or nights), all by himself, no attachments, selfsuffient, and in fact he was pretty contempting of love. It was not something HE needed, or so Mr Lonesome thought.

Of course this brought Venus/Aphrodite on the scene. Love being rejected like that? Not something the goddess of love could endure for long.
Besides she likes to torment people and pinch them a little bit.
So she ordered her son Eros/Cupido/Amor to shoot an arrow at Pluto.
To bring him love, or the experience of falling in love.

It is almost funny how Proserpina and Pluto were totally content with their present situation, though missing out on that experience of (erotic) love. But they couldn`t miss what they did not know, right?

But then Pluto was shot by the arrow of Eros; possibly when he had come to the surface in his chariot and when he saw innocent Proserpina collecting some flowers, he fell in love with her (or was seriously turned on ), so he kidnapped her and brought her into the underworld.
(yeah, not a man of many flowery words now, is he? or even asking if she might be interested at all. )

Now with her daughter gone, Ceres totally lost it. She complained to Jupiter who was not really wanting to hear her complaints (what he did not was so open about is, that according to some versons of the myth he had AGREED to let Pluto marry his daughter Proserpina, but he had not thought about the mother`s wrath).
Anyway Ceres found her own way to retaliate, in letting all life on earth stagnate and die. The crops especially. so it became eternal winter on earth so to speak.

This could not continue like that. so Jupiter sent Mercury to Pluto to convince him to let Proserpina go (so Ceres would allow growth of cereals again and ensure the prospering of nature).

Pluto had no real choice, he had to obey. BUT he had found a loophole.
Proserpina had swallowed six seeds (!) of pomenagrate while being with Pluto in the underworld, and when you ate something in the underworld it means you had to stay there. Something every god or semi-god knew, so Proserpina knew, too.

It resulted in the agreement Jupiter made with Ceres, Pluto and Proserpina, that Proserpina would stay 6 months with her Mom on the surface of earth (spring and summer) and then stay 6 months with her husband as queen of the underworld (autumn and winter).

It really is the story of her rite of passage into adulthood. And at the end of the story we see her happily mated to the King of the Underworld as his queen and having developed a lot of power including magical abilities herself and yet also happy to occasionally visit her mother, though the tight mother-daughter-bond had been severed (and it had been TOO tight, it hindered the daughter`s growing up).

It is however ALSO a story about transformation for Pluto, as he evolves from one who does not have a need or urge for love to someone who is pretty defenceless against the power of love. The only power able to overcome THANATOS is the power of EROS, this myth seems to say. (symbolized in Pluto and Eros here).

After the forceful kidnapping at the start however, in the myth he grows softer, towards Proserpina. once he has her, so to speak, he does not feel a need to overpower her anymore, but make her his equal partner.

(still that kidnapping part is worth an own essay. lol)

Ceres also makes a transformation, though probably one she does not like at all. She has to learn to let go of her too strong protection of her daughter, as it suffocates and hinders the need for her to grow up.

Anyway, if there is a story about the loss of virginity, it is the Proserpina story. Without a doubt.
Talking about maidenhood and sexual virginity.

posted August 07, 2015 07:57 AM            

the parents
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Jupiter
Zeus 5731
Ceres
Demeter 1108

the pairing
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Pluto
Proserpina 26
Persephone 399

the catalysts
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Venus
Aphrodite 1388
Eros 433
Cupido 763
Amor 1221

for copying
5731,1108,26,399,1388,433,763,1221

if you are inclined to hypothetical objects

posted August 07, 2015 08:45 AM            

I have ARTEMIS on 27°10 Pisces, trine VALENTINE on 27°32 Scorpio.
Also conjuncts my ENDYMION on 25°51 Pisces, and they are on my Dracnic ASC on 26°51 Pisces.

trine NIKE 28°13 Cancer

quinkunx APOLLO on 26°51 Libra and ADONIS on 27°13 Libra

And a T-squrae of

CIRCE on 27°37 Sagittarius
REIKI 27°35 Sagittarius

opposing

NESSUS on 28°13 Gemini

square

ARTEMIS on 27°10 Pisces

Sabians

Artemis
A Fertile Garden Under The Full Moon Reveals A Variety Of Full-Grown Vegetables

Valentine
The King Of The Fairies Approaching His Domain

Nike
A Greek Muse Weighing Newborn Twins In Golden Scales

Apollo
An Airplane Sails, High In The Clear Sky

Adonis
A Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him

Nessus
The First Mockingbird Of Spring

posted August 07, 2015 09:00 AM            

A Persephone square B Venus/Jupiter
A Proserpina (26) square B Sun
A Proserpina (26) trine B Proserpina exact
B Persephone conjunct A Uranus/Neptune
B Proserpina (26) conjunct A Pluto
b Proserpina (26) sextile A Pluto a bit wide

B Proserpina (h57)opposite A Mars
B Proserpina (h57) square A NN/MC
A Proserpina (h57) conjunct B Mercury
A Proserpina (h57)conjunct B Pluto

posted August 07, 2015 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
What about persephone conjunct NN?

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posted August 07, 2015 09:10 AM            

His NYMPHE 27°25 Pisces conjunct
my ARTHEMIS 27°10 Pisces ???

What´s that about?

(his ASC is on 25°20 Pisces, too)

my CUPIDO 19°55 Leo conjunct
his ARTEMIS 19°32 Leo?

his Nymphe/my Artemis square his Sun and Moon

my Cupido/his Artemis oppose my Moon, albeit a little more widely.

my ARtemis 27°10 Pisces
his Nymphe 27°25 Pisces
his Sun 26°57 Sagittarius
his Moon 28°32 Sagittarius

his Artemis 19°32 Leo
my Cupido 19°55 Leo
my Moon 17°06 Aquarius

and while we are at it, his Artemis also natally aspects Valentine, just in a square

his Artemis 19°32 Leo
his Valentine 19°36 Scorpio
my Anteros 19°27 Scorpio
my Cupido 19°55 Leo

oh and funny enough his JUNO is on my NIKE

my ARTEMIS 27°10 Pisces
his NYMPHE 27°25 Pisces

my VALENTINE 27°32 Scorpio

my NIKE 28°10 Cancer
his JUNO 27°39 Cancer

posted August 07, 2015 09:14 AM            

his NYMPHE - my ARTEMIS 27 Pisces
A Fertile Garden Under The Full Moon Reveals A Variety Of Full-Grown Vegetables

his ARTEMIS - my CUPIDO 19 Leo
Zuni Indians Perform A Ritual To The Sun

his Sun/Moon-mp - my CIRCE-REIKI-TESLA
An Old Bridge Over A Beautiful Stream Is Still In Constant Use