posted August 08, 2015 03:06 AM            

One such line, from the original story which was kept intact, is 'tonight, oh, I gave you my soul, and I am dead.' Wow, Christine. A bit high drama there! But if we contemplate it more, we're obviously delving into a powerful bond -- one with supernatural components, and deep obsession.

I'm feeling PLUTO is almost blatant in its obvious presence; but what else? It's clearly a spin on the Hades / Persephone myth, with elements of Stoker ('Dracula'), so then we'd have to involve PERSEPHONE (399) and PROSERPINA (26) -- along with HADES (h41), as I've found it to be very useful. Any VALENTINE?

We'd expect some 8H involvement, too. Maybe some explosive Midpoints: MARS. And VENUS would be here too, no doubt. Perhaps SATURN, for its need for structure, and tendency towards domineering control. Of course, we've got PLUTO for that as well.

posted August 08, 2015 09:24 AM            

but these midpoints all include pluto:
moon-pluto
mars-pluto
and I wondered about jupiter-pluto, since jupiter expands what it touches

posted August 08, 2015 10:11 AM            

Ya, such blatant Pluto action in this story, in a quite pure, extreme manifestation. It's striking for its purity of motive and the focus, as well as the scope of the story is resoundingly familiar for me, and probably for many people who are at all Plutonian or who have had very passionate Plutonian relationships...

From what I've heard here about this aspect, I was listening and guessing Christine and Eric have perhaps a 0°00 Venus Pluto square--or conjunction--what do you think?

I would say the story takes some of the Persephone theme on, if we can agree that although Christine's descent to the underworld is not cyclical, a part of her will certainly always be returning and bound there in spirit...

posted August 08, 2015 10:38 AM            

Just had THIS recommendation for me on my you tube list. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJGHRNn2cSo

(the song is actually from "Dracula" *sighs* I love Wildhorn`s musical scores )

But actually THAT was the song that came to my mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ZJyWsfUJo&list=RDV7ZJyWsfUJo#t=5

esp. from 4:20

"Voices in my nights will cry Christine
And ev'ry drop of rain that falls
Will be Christine
You were the only one
My only chance at happiness
My golden leaf of autumn, my Christine.

Look within this heart and see Christine
The very constant soul and music of Christine
Behind this mortal mask
This terror of a face conceals
The gesture and the grace of you, Christine.

posted August 08, 2015 01:30 PM            

I gave him my soul and I will do it over and over again.

We have persephone opposite pluto exact in synastry, his pluto conjuncts his venus and juno. My proserpina conjuncts my chart ruler jupiter-uranus and his eros.

Composite Valentine conjuncts our Composite Pluto-Mars-Sun-magion.

With my aqua friend ex lover he also brought out of me that "I want to give you my soul" feling and his persephone-venus sextiles my Pluto. His atropos squares my venus and our time was off, I was married when we met but I felt us meeting was fated.

My last crush we had composite Valentine conjunct atropos. In synastry my atropos conjuncts his sun-moon-mars. I feel atropos gives you that "I cant stop thinking about you, or I will never fully forget you" theme if Valentine is also strong in the synastry or composite.

posted August 08, 2015 02:47 PM            

I don't know if this will take this thread off topic or not but, whatever you believe about the mechanisms of creativity, I think when analyzing the work it might be insightful to take a peek at the author. I found M. Leroux's natal chart, complete with TOB.
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Gaston_Leroux

I bring this up because another story I loved very much growing up (and still do) is Wuthering Heights - another tale of dramatic love and obsession. I read once that Emily Bronte said that she identified with the character Heathcliff and saw much of herself in him. This struck me as pretty significant - He is an extreme, flawed, and tortured character who is deeply passionate and mysterious. Here's a look at her chart:
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Emily_Bront%C3%AB

Now on to my personal theory on this. Perhaps this obsessive kind of love is more a manifestation of how the obsessor views himself. At least in the case of these two stories, we have the following:

- Male is shunned or abandoned by his caregiver and beat down in some way by his adoptive caregiver. He is ostracized and made to feel like he is worthless in spite of being truly talented
- Some kind of catalyst forces him to break away from the abuse and make something of himself
- Male falls for female and (arguably in both cases) experiences mutual love and affection
- The odds are highly stacked against him in terms of his ability to court and "properly" woo the female so a kind of fantasy is created and he woos here there
- There is a rival for the female's affection

I would argue that the affection and admiration were already present for both leading men. At least initially, the men each had the opportunity to have the love and happiness they wanted but had been denied previously. Unfortunately I think the biggest motivator was fear - they both feared they were unworthy (because in spite of great success, that's all they were ever told) and therefore could never hope to have the happiness they wanted.

I think this stems from the realm of the water element and specifically, Cancer, honestly. All signs are capable of control/manipulation in some way, but specifically water signs seem to do this out of the fear of abandonment or isolation. Therefore, for this particular kind of obsession I'm thinking that first the obsessor would likely have significant water placements (especially Cancer), tense or enhancing aspects to Pluto, Neptune or the Moon, and significant fixed placements.

If another person came along and activated any of these placements, I think it could potentially turn in to a dramatic obsession. Pluto aspects, 8th and 2nd house overlays, Moon and IC aspects might be particularly sensitive.

posted August 08, 2015 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:

I think this stems from the realm of the water element and specifically, Cancer, honestly. All signs are capable of control/manipulation in some way, but specifically water signs seem to do this out of the fear of abandonment or isolation. Therefore, for this particular kind of obsession I'm thinking that first the obsessor would likely have significant water placements (especially Cancer), tense or enhancing aspects to Pluto, Neptune or the Moon, and significant fixed placements.

If another person came along and activated any of these placements, I think it could potentially turn in to a dramatic obsession. Pluto aspects, 8th and 2nd house overlays, Moon and IC aspects might be particularly sensitive.

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posted August 09, 2015 12:16 AM            

SUN conjunct PLUTO (1°) on my CHIRON, and his TISIPHONE/HADES/CUPIDO/BREIDE stellium. Somehow, there's Leroux -- right there -- profoundly activating it.

But there's more!

His ASC conjunct my SCHRODINGER/NESSUS, and my boyfriend's DEJANIRA/MERCURY ... his MOON conjunct my DESTINN/EROS/LEWISCARROLL and KARMA, and my boyfriend's SNODE.

And, Leroux's CHIRON is exactly conjunct my boyfriend's.

Wait for it ... 0°00!

This is powerful. There's something here; something really, really here.

My casting came as a complete surprise to me; my boyfriend was almost given the role of Erik, but he lacks the proficiency in the tenor tessitura (he's a basso profundo). But they were smitten with his spectacular voice, they gave him Leroux, who narrates the story. Our adaptation is the story retold via the lens of Leroux, as if he were present as it happened. It's an intriguing concept. The producers still wish he'd been just a bit more proficient, and a bigger name, though. Which he takes as a tremendous compliment.

He wasn't surprised like I was; I DO have a very unusual voice. I'm a dramatic coloratura soprano, but I don't have the darkness throughout my range. My light lyric register is eerily similar to Brightman, but I have more power and higher notes. I honestly can't say there's a soprano working similar to my tone and timbre. I think that might be why I was cast. It's very much the way that they suspect the 'actual' Christine -- actually Swedish soprano Christina Nilsson, might've sounded. So it's exciting. I was ecstatic. Still am!