posted August 08, 2015 10:10 AM            

quote:

---

During the past months it became increasingly clear to me that the people I share the closest bonds with, but who are (with one exception) not blood relations, all seem to share one chart feature: A T-square involving at least the Sun, and sometimes both luminaries, most of the time with the Sun at the apex.

---

I have a cardinal t-square with the sun at the apex.

posted August 08, 2015 10:16 AM            

I must be like a distant cousin, with only the sun in a t-square.

posted August 08, 2015 10:37 AM            

quote:

---

No, don't be! And you can now see your chart fits perfectly in this motley crew, some others have only the Sun as well, and not always at the apex so you're actually a textbook case!

---

Whew!

I'm emailing you soon, by the way.

quote:

---

case #7, the fun really starts when one sees how these two T-squares interlock with each other in synastry. Due to some strange co-incidence (as if such a thing existed) they are overlapping in a way that each one's Sun lands at the other's Sun-Moon midpoint, resulting in this curious synastric overlay composed of semisquares and sesquisquares called "Thor's hammers" (Faith, didn't you say you were looking for a grail? How about that? j/k).

---

It does look like a chalice!

I'm all antsy to begin looking for my own Soul Family...

But I don't think I can duplicate your research and experiences!

The only thing that comes to mind immediately is, I have 3H Pluto widely trine 6H Mercury (6 orb) and Pluto trine 11H Gemini Mars (almost 5 orb.)

My Gemini Mars is out of bounds and tightly conjunct my draconic Mercury. And my Huber House Mars is conjunct my Mercury, if my rectified birth time is correct.

So I'm here to show the pen is mightier than the sword, ay?? But I have Mercury sextile Venus, Mercury conjunct DSC, so it's not like I'm always mean.

Sooo it's funny because I only got into astrology (beyond sun signs) four years ago and could not have known or planned this:

* My ex-soulmate has Mercury conjunct Mars, Pluto, and Venus.

* My husband, likewise, has Mercury conjunct Mars, Pluto, and Venus.

Weirrrrrrd

posted August 08, 2015 11:00 AM            

I do get you there, and noticed something similiar, though have not come across as THAT clear case as you presented.

What I found striking in the (harmonic perspective) comparision with Mr Sag is this.

I have a 12th harmonic triangle of
Moon - Saturn - Juno

He has a 12th harmonic triangle of
Sun-Saturn-Juno
and with a bit wider orb his Moon is in it, too.

We do not have the same aspects, though.

For me it is this:

Moon quinkunx Saturn 0°09
Moon semisextile Juno 0°08
Saturn trine Juno 0°00

For him it is

Moon quinkunx Juno 0°58
Sun quinkunx Juno 0°41
Sun conjunct Moon 1°40
Sun square Saturn 0°15
Moon square Saturn 1°56
Saturn sextile Juno 0°57

This in turn means of course there would be a 12th harmonic pattern in the composite as well, consisting of Moon, Saturn and Juno

in the composite it looks like this

Moon trine Juno 0°33
Juno square Saturn 0°28
Saturn quinkunx Moon 1°03

This is actually a phytagorean triangle

What REALLY flabbergasted me though was THIS

Our first meeting chart

See?
The same planets combining again, and actually putting the Sun-Moon into the equation again, which seems so fitting as his closest 12th harmonic triangle involves Sun (rather than Moon, though Moon is there as well), while for me it involves Moon.

In the first meeting chart Juno seems to be out of orb, but interestingly she is on the loose antiscion of Moon; the "new player" certainly is Pluto.

[/URL]

it just struck me how our first meeting chart is reflecting those natal triangles.

Well he is the one guilty of bringing the squares into it.

posted August 08, 2015 11:01 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, I'm one of those people who generally often use wider orbs because I feel that especially with the luminaries, the influence is still strongly felt through the sign placements alone (A Cancer and an Aries will feel the squared energy even if their suns are not in square aspect). So I'd say, for this kind of purpose, the orb is maybe not that important.

In other words, in the case you mentioned, if it's actually the same mutable T-square and includes both luminaries, then that would be exactly the thing I would be looking for even if it's not within orb.

---

posted August 08, 2015 11:09 AM            

[/URL]

my natal

[/URL]

composite

posted August 08, 2015 01:09 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
@Faith: Yes, exactly! If you feel this features defines you to a large extent, go looking in the charts of people close to you for similar connections (it can be same or similar Merc aspects, but also same symbolism - Pluto can be exchanged with Scorp and H8 to some degree).

---

I think I will.

Actually I have a very prominent Mars theme in my biological and soul family. We're all Martians.

But I'm not sure if that appears in the structures.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
Now, the likelihood of such a thing occurring in two unrelated charts (I take it they weren't born close to each other now, were they?) is exceedingly small.

---

Honestly, though! Almost as small as you and your boyfriend finding each other, with THAT draconic synastry!

And you're right, they were born over 19 years apart and have different sun and moon signs.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
What are the orbs here?

---

Ex-soulmate's Mercury, with a noon chart:
- conjunct Mars 3.39
- conjunct Pluto 5.28
- conjunct Venus 6.19

Husband's Mercury:
- conjunct Mars 6.48
- conjunct Pluto 1.24
- conjunct Venus 4.28

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
In any case I guess it's safe to say you're into…umm…intellectually *potent* men!

---

Yes. A little!

Interestingly after I married my husband, my ex-soulmate (who never met my husband) radically changed his line of study and followed in my husband's footsteps (deliberately or not, I'll never know.) There are articles about both of them online, doing the same work.

Their composite chart has Mercury, Mars, Pluto, Venus, Uranus all within 6.04 degrees. No squares. LOL

posted August 08, 2015 03:14 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Vajra:
Haha…Thanks, athenaia!

But you were the one who originally started highlighting aspects in grids now, weren't you?

I bet you would find such stuff too if you started looking for it one day…but it might look completely differently, depending on your own natal.

---

Certainly, but you've mastered the craft if I may say so! I can only hope to be as organized when presenting charts as evidence of something greater than ourselves

This post has now got me thinking about chart structures. My natal is a little unusual, I have two grand trines (one in earth, the other in water), and the water grand trine turns into a kite with Neptune at the tip of it. I began thinking about people that had the biggest affect on me as a person and I thought about my mother, father, maternal grandfather, two mentors, my boyfriend, and an ex-soul mate. Out of all these people, the person with the closest structure was my father when I looked at our composite.
My water grand trine consists of Jupiter, Mars and Pluto
My composite with my dad consists of a grand trine with Saturn+NN (they're conjunct by the minute), Mars and Pluto

Given that I've been really obsessed with composites lately I figured, why not use this post as an opportunity to compare and contrast the composites of all these people with one another and find similarities with my natal chart?
Now, the one composite that freaked me out was with the mentor that we talked about previously - in our composite we have a grand trine with Saturn, Mars and Pluto
(the same planets in my dad and I's composite grand trine)
but it also forms a kite with Neptune. This echos back to my grand kite - my Neptune being in house 4, and Neptune also being in house 4 in this composite.
**EDIT** I forgot to mention that he and my father are 5 years apart in age, so that makes this particularly interesting synchronicity

I would say, however, the shining aspect in my natal chart is my Moon/North Node conjunction in Aquarius (H5)
While no one else in the aforementioned list has grand trines/kites in their natal/composite charts, I noticed that all of these people share a tight NN and/or SN connection with me in the composite chart.

Now, with my blood family, I noticed something pretty intense, we all have conjunctions with the NN to the MINUTE in the sign of Pisces in our composites. No South Node conjunctions. I don't have any South Node conjunctions either in my natal chart, so I guess I truly was born into the family I was "meant" to be born into.

My mother and I have a Venus/NN conjunction in 14° Pisces
My maternal grandfather and I have a Uranus/NN conjunction in 0° Pisces
My father and I have a Saturn/NN conjunction in 9° Pisces

My Natal Mars is at 19° Pisces, which configures back into my natal grand trine. All of those people might be the energies I draw from whenever I need the "strength" to active the trine.

Then, you have the other fated people in my lives..
A mentor from high school:
Pluto/South Node in 15°-10° Libra (House 1)
Pallas/North Node in 4°-10° Aries (House 7)
I asked for his birth time and we share the same ASC at 28° Virgo, thus all of our angles align up in the synastry

The mentor I mentioned from the previous post:
Venus/North Node 5°-0° Taurus (House 7)
Uranus/South Node 5°-0° Scorpio (House 1)
In our Draconic synastry, I have the same ASC in draco has he does natally

My boyfriend of three years:
IC/North Node 4°-1° Sagittarius (House 3-House4)
Chiron/South Node 9°-1° Gemini (House 10-House 9)

An ex-soul mate I dated during a Venus retrograde:
Venus/North Node 21°-16° Aquarius (House 6)
Eros/North Node 16° Aquarius (House 6)
Sun/South Node 18°-16° Leo (House 12)

It's funny because these were all the people that came to my mind first as "fated influences" in my life. Once I noticed the pattern, I decided to add other people into my composite that I consider good friends, but there were no node connections. There was no need to second-guess myself there. Perhaps because I carry the energy of the North Node with me natally, I seek out partners that can embody a similar energy with me. Not everyone I listed has a natal node connection, though. But, those that do are:

Grandfather's Natal:
Moon/South Node 28° Virgo -21° Pisces
(Moon conjuncts my ASC exact)

Mother Natal:
Moon/North Node 28°- 19° Aries
(she's the only other person that shares this natal aspect with me, although my orbs are tighter)
Eros/South Node 15° Libra-19° Aries

Father's Natal:
Venus/South Node 11° Libra - 9° Aries
Chiron/North Node 1° - 9° Aries

Current Mentor's Natal:
Moon/South Node 18° Capricorn - 20° Cancer

Boyfriend's Natal:
Saturn/North Node 13°-23° Virgo
(his North Node conjuncts my ASC)