posted August 09, 2015 06:44 PM            

I find the energy of the unaspected planet to be very pure, as if it were one of the 4 angles. The only thing that would matter is the house that its in.

posted August 09, 2015 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Well, in our Composite Libra Mercury (11H) doesn't aspect any personal planets, and communication is what we do the most Actually, the first time we met, we chatted for hours and hours. We share the same interests, and understand each other effortlessly. We only ever had a few arguments , and were able to talk over our differences easily. I don't know, maybe other aspects help as well. Our Synastry is quite good too, and has nice tight Mercury aspects between personal planets, and overlays (including, his Mercury in my 3rd House).

I don't think I have any other unaspected personal planets in Composite. I'll have to check other relationships. If I have, I'll add later. But you may be into something here

Let's see what the dragons of astrology say about it

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posted August 10, 2015 04:02 AM              

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Originally posted by Liliya:

Let's see what the dragons of astrology say about it

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I'm here!

I almost never see unaspected planets in successful composites. They are not a good sign.

But unaspected doesn't mean aspects to personal planets. Does your Mercury aspect outer planets and/or angles? What does that planet rule?

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posted August 10, 2015 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm here!

I almost never see unaspected planets in successful composites. They are not a good sign.

But unaspected doesn't mean aspects to personal planets. Does your Mercury aspect outer planets and/or angles? What does that planet rule?

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It sextiles Uranus and MC, so not that much.

posted August 10, 2015 08:14 AM              

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Originally posted by Liliya:

It sextiles Uranus and MC, so not that much.

Other aspects: square NN, opposite Vertex, conjunct Phyche.

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Right The most unaspected Mercury ever!

This is a well aspected Mercury! Conjunct Avx, it defines your meeting, your relationship. Square NN, it is the driving force behind your common path, it jolts the passing from past to future, on your NN path. Your NN planet, or one of them; the very reason/lesson you are together. It's how you move ahead together sextile MC stands for this too, it is supportive for the future/path/culmination of this relationship, it is one of your "official" planets, how you function in public or as official couple, what you project too. Sextile Uranus, a great aspect to have, Mercury with its higher octave, perpetually higher and more exciting and reinventing itself, the communication between you two. Perhaps you enjoy foreign travel as well, internet, new age communications, astrology and esoterics, foreign languages together. Conjunct Psyche: mental communication is very strong, even psychic (telepathic). Your communication has a soulful touch, it can be dreamy. Also, you can detach and discuss various topics, alleviate conflicts and you are good friends.

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posted August 10, 2015 10:34 PM            

Or is it considered unaspected?

posted August 11, 2015 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Right The most unaspected Mercury ever!

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haha ohhh, well I guess it's not that bad after all. I remember when I started studying astrology around 2 years ago, I got a relationship reading from one experienced astrologer on another site. He/she mentioned Mercury beeing poorly aspected in Composite, saying that we will have communication problems sinceit makes no aspects to personal planets. So I always considered in as "unaspected". That Uranus sextile is pretty wide for Composite - 4 degrees.

Btw, thanks for the aspect breakdown. EVERYTHING you said is spot on!

Sharing the same interests was one of the main reasons we got together. I have never met anyone so interesting and easy to chat to.

posted August 11, 2015 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
So is Mars sesi-quadrate Moon and bi-quintile Pluto considered to be valid in a composite chart?

Or is it considered unaspected?

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posted August 11, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
If the unaspected planet is going to prevent something in the relationship you will see it very quickly because the energy just isn't there. But if your not feeling a lacking in that planets area, then there must be aspects in some way.
Perhaps the planet in question is making aspects to both your natal charts planets? natal midpoints? or comp midpoints?
Example-if your comp midpoint is aspecting the unaspected planet...and the sun and moon are both aspected mostly positively then that midpoint is going to be a positive point and put that planet into a very active, integrated place in your comp chart.
There's a lot of variables......can you post the chart?

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posted August 12, 2015 06:14 PM            

What is bad is the negative perspective in which a person cannot view astrological factors in a neutral fashion as to the meaning and opportunity represented by each, but instead prefer to put every astrological factor into a 'good' box or a 'bad' box, limiting their ability to make use of that energy that is there for them anyway.

In other words, black-n-white thinking, or 'the cosmos did it to me.' Good luck with that.

The theories around so-called 'unaspected' planets are bunk. We can only interpret what IS THERE. That means any theory attempting to render meaning for an 'un-' factor or a 'lack of' factor is bogus. They are all based on assumptions of what 'should be' in a chart. Bunk.

NYCdodger, I can accept your view of the so-called unaspected planet as 'pure.' If a planet is truly not making/receiving any aspects, then it can be interpreted along the straight lines of its sign (and house), because no other planets are interacting with it in any way. But truth is, the so-called unaspected planets are far less common than touted, and thus, not major considerations for chart viewing/interpretation. Generally, planets that appear to be making/receiving no major aspects are involved in a quincunx, and/or in aspect to Asc and/or MC, or are in parallel/contra-parallel with another planet or the Asc and/or MC.

I understand this is posted in the 'Interpersonal Astrology' section, but I am going to use your chart as an example, NYCdodger, which I found here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/227066.html

Some would view your natal Mercury as 'unaspected', but I can assure you that its declination at 12N50 puts it tightly Parallel Mars 12N56, thus possibly contributing to theories of 'stronger' tied to its expression as a so-called unaspected planet. It is strongly aspected by Mars.

As it pertains to synastry, the principle is the same: include declinations.

posted August 12, 2015 08:04 PM              

EDIT: if there are tight aspects to the angles or nodal axis, it's no longer unaspected though; such aspects can be very binding.
A classic example would be the composite between Princess Lillian and Prince Bertil. Venus 19 Scorpio only makes a wide 7 deg trine to Neptune (still, DSC ruler) BUT ASC at 17.41 Virgo and NN at 19.49 Pisces. It also makes a nice BQ with Saturn in Gem.
The rest of the aspects are compelling (this is important too): Sun conj Moon on MC, with Moon conj Saturn (1) opp Mercury chart ruler in a Wedge with Jupiter conj Uranus...tight orbs: Jupiter is 4, MC is 4, Uranus is 7, Sun is 7 conj the MC, Moon 5 deg away; NN conj DSC and Chiron (2).

Lately I have come to the conclusion that wide aspects in the composite are really felt (although, in a good one, we do need at least a few very tight aspects)

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posted August 12, 2015 08:42 PM              

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

The theories around so-called 'unaspected' planets are bunk. We can only interpret what IS THERE. That means any theory attempting to render meaning for an 'un-' factor or a 'lack of' factor is bogus. They are all based on assumptions of what 'should be' in a chart. Bunk.

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It's different with relational charts though, Kannon. Based on a relational chart, one can predict the strength and importance and duration and quality of a relationship. With the natal charts, of course, this is redundant; unless we're talking about the relationship with oneself . With natal charts, we have to deal with what we got; but relationships, luckily, are optional
They are also impossible, or short-lived, or strenuous or even toxic if the proper conditions are not met.
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posted August 12, 2015 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's not about weakness; on the contrary, it can manifest strongly... but in an erratic way. Every composite is a geometrical structure, like a web. A planet receiving few aspects from this structure is a wild card, a ticking bomb, it's somehow "banished" from the structure. If it's the Sun, for instance, the relationship encounters serious difficulties in having an identity, in becoming a relationship in the first place; the two people can hardly live together. Unaspected (with majors + quincunx) planets in composites leading to important (long-term) relationships, especially personal planets, are very rare.

EDIT: if there are tight aspects to the angles or nodal axis, it's no longer unaspected though; such aspects can be very binding.
A classic example would be the composite between Princess Lillian and Prince Bertil. Venus 19 Scorpio only makes a wide 7 deg trine to Neptune (still, DSC ruler) BUT ASC at 17.41 Virgo and NN at 19.49 Pisces. It also makes a nice BQ with Saturn in Gem.
The rest of the aspects are compelling (this is important too): Sun conj Moon on MC, with Moon conj Saturn (1) opp Mercury chart ruler in a Wedge with Jupiter conj Uranus...tight orbs: Jupiter is 4, MC is 4, Uranus is 7, Sun is 7 conj the MC, Moon 5 deg away; NN conj DSC and Chiron (2).

Lately I have come to the conclusion that wide aspects in the composite are really felt (although, in a good one, we do need at least a few very tight aspects)

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Wow, that helps me understand composites so much better. I had never put them together in that way. Thank you.

posted August 13, 2015 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
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Some would view your natal Mercury as 'unaspected', but I can assure you that its declination at 12N50 puts it tightly Parallel Mars 12N56, thus possibly contributing to theories of 'stronger' tied to its expression as a so-called unaspected planet. It is strongly aspected by Mars.

As it pertains to synastry, the principle is the same: [b]include declinations.

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posted August 13, 2015 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

EDIT: if there are tight aspects to the angles or nodal axis, it's no longer unaspected though; such aspects can be very binding.
A classic example would be the composite between Princess Lillian and Prince Bertil. Venus 19 Scorpio only makes a wide 7 deg trine to Neptune (still, DSC ruler) BUT ASC at 17.41 Virgo and NN at 19.49 Pisces. It also makes a nice BQ with Saturn in Gem.
The rest of the aspects are compelling (this is important too): Sun conj Moon on MC, with Moon conj Saturn (1) opp Mercury chart ruler in a Wedge with Jupiter conj Uranus...tight orbs: Jupiter is 4, MC is 4, Uranus is 7, Sun is 7 conj the MC, Moon 5 deg away; NN conj DSC and Chiron (2).

Lately I have come to the conclusion that wide aspects in the composite are really felt (although, in a good one, we do need at least a few very tight aspects)

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I share an unaspected moon conjunct the IC with someone in our composite. Her and I don't speak at the moment but after knowing her off and on for 8 years I know its a matter of time before we link back up again..

posted August 13, 2015 09:29 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, that helps me understand composites so much better. I had never put them together in that way. Thank you.

What if the composite is pretty/aspected well within itself but it doesn't make aspects to one persons chart but it does the other person....will the one with all the aspects feel the relationship on a deeper level?

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Absolutely, yes, one is more invested and more impacted by the relationship. A difference is a potential recipe for unrequited love.

Also, the contacts between the composite and the natals show the type of relationship this one is for each person. If for one of them is more of a friendship, while for the other is a romantic/erotic input, we have a problem again.

posted August 13, 2015 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Absolutely, yes, one is more invested and more impacted by the relationship. A difference is a potential recipe for unrequited love.

Also, the contacts between the composite and the natals show the type of relationship this one is for each person. If for one of them is more of a friendship, while for the other is a romantic/erotic input, we have a problem again.

I will try to make a thread about it, when I have more time

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What if in synastry person A doesn't make contact to person B's Venus and vice versa...but they have a ton of other great aspects that draw them together in synastry, just two-
Sun/Moon/Neptune DW tight with Mars exact opposed trines her Saturn
His Saturn on his IC in an exact grand trine with her Juno and their conjunct Valentine/Valentine/her Eros/her IC- add his NN to make an exact kite

But Venus is left out in the cold.

posted August 13, 2015 12:36 PM            

Anyway, I'd be more worried about unaspected planets in synastry than composite.