posted August 13, 2015 04:25 PM            

Of the following tropical charts, one belongs to Twin Flames, while the other are Karmic Soulmates. (There is also a potential dreaded 'False Twin' pattern present, too.)

Can you determine which is which?

(And for those who already know, please refrain from proper identification until we've had a bit of time to discuss.) The purpose is to begin to correctly identify Twin Flame astrology from that of various Soulmate patterns and configurations.

Ready? Here we go ....

And, as degrees do matter, here are our natals:

posted August 13, 2015 04:33 PM              

I don't think these are twin flame composites. There isn't even any Venus/Pluto/Neptune aspects. But a lot of Chiron activity.

I can show you a real twin flame composite if you want.

Edit, here it is anyway.

posted August 13, 2015 05:08 PM            

Well, one is, the other is not. It's as simple as that. I figured it was time to narrow our field of research.

As to the one you've supplied ... this is interesting. How long have they been in a relationship?

posted August 13, 2015 10:22 PM            

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There isn't even any Venus/Pluto/Neptune aspects.

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posted August 13, 2015 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
What do u mean by aspects here and those planets in particular?
In the first chart we find a strong connection between those 3, a "minor-minor grand trine" connected through 2 x semi-sextile and 1x sextile in which Venus (+ even the Sun) is the midpoint of Pluto/Neptune.

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I have to agree, mir. They seemed arbitrary, but also might've been mentioned because of the composite presented which has a 2º trine of VENUS and PLUTO and a 3º VENUS opposite NEPTUNE?

I'm not sure that really strikes me as being Twin Flame-indicative, either. It just seems very scattered. (Not that that can't happen -- I'm sure it can.) But it seems to lack a kind of synthesis to me. I can't speak to its validity; I'm taking her at her word that it is.

Even still, yes, there are the aspects you'd mentioned: in the first, they're linked by semisextile -- nothing major, but, indeed there.

In the second, it's a 4º square of VENUS to NEPTUNE. Again, nothing amazing, but hey. Wasn't even aware we were looking for that.

For me, it's more of an overall ... well, synthesis. The first one is highly concentrated without a doubt -- though it's missing an 11H emphasis, which, I'm discovering is rather important when it comes to actually fulfilling the mission (of Twin Flames).

The second has this 11H emphasis, but also a few very notable stellia: SUN-VENUS-JUPITER, and JUNO-VALENTINE-MERCURY. I also rather like how, in the first ISIS and OSIRIS are conjunct, and in the second, ISIS is square VENUS, and OSIRIS is conjunct MARS. There's ... relationship there.

I'm also noticing that the asteroids (which we use to determine Twin Flame charts) is missing in the composite.

posted August 14, 2015 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
I know that have nothing with the number 11 itself but why people see the 11th house as a twin flame thing?
Btw I think the 1th should be important too..since we can se their true self?

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posted August 15, 2015 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I can show you a real twin flame composite if you want.

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posted August 15, 2015 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
When i think about Uranus the first in my mind is on-off relationships and i always forget about the 11th true meaning.
Very interesting Aubyane...makes perfect sense!

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I'm glad; that helped it make more sense to me as well. I trust iQ's research and experience. I may not always know exactly why he's doing and saying as he is, but there's always some reason for it. Heh.

posted August 15, 2015 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
May I ask:

Do you realy think that a composite with a yod and a mystic rectangle belongs to a twinflame union?

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I was wondering that, too. Sure, that's a nice thing to have, but it's hardly indicative of a twin flame composite.

In fact, there's plenty of that composite that seems to go against my initial research into twin flames. Then again, it's in its infancy; I was fooled myself, so I'm open to evaluating everything.

posted August 16, 2015 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, one thing that jumps out at me from the natals is the curious fact that when looking at the distribution of planets over the houses, your natal's loaded houses (nos. 1, 2, and 3), which hold 8 out of 10 planets, happen to be the exact same houses in the Cancer guy's chart which are empty. Interesting implications of complementary emphasis on various life areas. And, if one would superimpose those charts along the AC-DC axis, of course this means that the distribution of all your planets over the whole chart would be fairly even, creating a sort of "whole".

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I noticed something like this as well. Not saying it is tf-material per se. But it intrigued me.

In the case of someone I mistook for my twinflame years ago I noticed - many years later- this in form of synastric overlay.

His Sun in my 4th - my Sun in his 10th
his Moon in my 6th - my Moon in his 12th
his Mercury in my 4th - my Mercury in his 10th
his Venus in my 5th - my Venus in his 11th
his Mars in my 3rd - my Mars in his 9th
his ASC in my 3rd - my ASC in his 9th

Well I think it was only true for the personal planets in this synastry.

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But what you mentioned here in terms of natal distribution, I noticed in the comparision with Mr Sag, and suspected it to be one reason for why he feels so complementary (yet similiar).

most of my planets (counting the personal ones here) are on the eastern side of the chart and below the horizon.
Most of his are on the western side and over the horizon.

To be more precise

my chart
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upper hemisphere:
Mars
Saturn, Uranus, Pluto

lower hemisphere:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus
Jupiter, Neptune

his chart
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upper hemisphere:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus,
Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

lower hemisphere:
Mars
Jupiter

as for eastern vs western side

my chart

eastern:
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Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter
Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

western:
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Saturn

his chart

eastern:
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Moon, Venus

western:
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Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter
Satun, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

As for housedistribution:

1st
mine: Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune

2nd
mine: Moon

3rd
mine: Jupiter

4th

5th

6th
his: Mars, Jupiter

7th:
his Saturn, Pluto

8th
mine: Saturn
his: Uranus

9th
his: Sun, Mercury, Neptune

10th
mine: Pluto

his: Moon

11th
mine: Uranus
his: Venus

12th
mine: Mars

interestingly neither of us has planets in the 4th and 5th house, though I have Chiron in my 4th, he has Juno in his 5th, but of course if we expand the amount of objects to take into account it`s not difficult to come up with *something*

The 9th/ 3rd axis is an interesting one, as is the 6th/12th, it is where one of the "back-bone-synastry-aspects" take place (natally and in overlay), and curiously it sort of reflects our DESC sign, as my DESC is Gemini and his is Virgo.

Again, I am not really labelling that, but I find it worth looking into when start doing synastry, how the distribution is.
Sometimes interesting things show up, like for example we are complementary in terms of hemisphere-emphasis, BUT at the same time there is a strong familiarity signwise, we are both having most personal planets in transpersonal signs.

(Sagittarius:
both Suns, both Mercury, his Moon, his chartruler, my ASC, my Mars

Capricorn:
both Venus

Aquarius:
my Moon

Pisces:
my chartruler, his ASC)

It`s only his Mars - in Virgo- and my MC - in Libra- that fall into relational signs.

So there is a basic similarity in terms of energy, but channelled into different areas for expression.

I suspect both is part of why he is intriguing to me, cause he partly feels so similiar, but at the same time I am fascinated with his much more grounded, physically outward oriented expression (though of course the fact that he has quite a bit of Earth in his chart contributes to that, as earth is what my chart lacks, with only Venus in Capricorn.
for him the lack is in air and water, in terms of personal planets, something my Aquarius Moon and my chartruler in Pisces along with dispositors of all personal planets in water, is actually rather familiar with).