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Topic: synastry - I don't get why they have soooo different views??
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posted August 16, 2015 07:49 AM
  
This is the synastry of a couple who have been dating for quite some time and who are happy together 
I think this synastry proves that the 2 of them are going to marry one day But my friend told me that they have some issues re the approach to life. Often they would have different point of views and simply view the world differently, often being the cause of arguments. I am quite surprised to have learned this. Asc widely conj Asc, her Asc on his desc ruler and MC widely conjunct MC. Also, Mercury trine Mercury. I can't get what causes those misunderstandings, those different approaches and views.  What do you guys see? She is outside, he is inside.  IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 11:51 AM
MOON conjunct SUN hovering around each other's IC? Lovely!Indeed, there is much about them that is the same, but the differences are there as well -- as well as the potential for growth; such as his VENUS conjunct her CHIRON. I'd be intrigued as to whether one fits their Draco or sidereal more than their tropical to account for certain strong differences. Perhaps, because it's necessary in light of such binding aspects, otherwise. (As man's MOON on a woman's SUN can be very binding, so long as he is comfortable with his anima.) IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 12:04 PM
Nope. If they marry it's gonna be a disaster. There are no Saturn contacts. What can glue them together? Of course they have different views of life and the synastry isn't great. For friends perhaps, for lovers? Not a chance.IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Nope. If they marry it's gonna be a disaster. There are no Saturn contacts. What can glue them together? Of course they have different views of life and the synastry isn't great. For friends perhaps, for lovers? Not a chance.
What the heck are you talking about? I'm not great at reading visual-only charts, but even I can see there is Moon square Saturn one direction, and Mars sextile Saturn the other direction. We can debate the value/meaning of those aspects, but to say there are no Saturn aspects is flat-out false. Kinda like the 10+ degree ASC/Vertex conjunction you saw in another thread, maybe? IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
What the heck are you talking about? I'm not great at reading visual-only charts, but even I can see there is Moon square Saturn one direction, and Mars sextile Saturn the other direction.We can debate the value/meaning of those aspects, but to say there are no Saturn aspects is flat-out false. Kinda like the 10+ degree ASC/Vertex conjunction you saw in another thread, maybe?
Squares with Saturn are no blessing. Then, Mars sextile Saturn is not in my opinion an aspect that can make a relationship last. Sun or Moon contacts ( connjunct, sextiles or trines) count for harmonic relationship.
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posted August 16, 2015 12:38 PM
I don't see serious issues here...apart maybe from the saturn/uranus/neptune conj in the 1st, different ways of approaching things...saturn/uranus rules her 2nd (values, stable behavior patterns, what someone values in life), but they have important 2nd overlays and 9th house connections (life philosophy and purpose) and mercury contacts. they just express themselves differently, his mercury/uranus is more hidden, while hers is upfront, but his mercury/uranus will become more important and skillful with age.------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Squares with Saturn are no blessing. Then, Mars sextile Saturn is not in my opinion an aspect that can make a relationship last. Sun or Moon contacts ( connjunct, sextiles or trines) count for harmonic relationship.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with this. Saturn hard aspects are the most binding and the sq in particular (especially between luminaries and Saturn) is very very common in marital relationships. ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 12:40 PM
they are people and people will have different life views regardless of their synastry, whether good or bad. a decent synastry doesn't mean they will mirror one another in thoughts. that sounds... like whomever is complaining wants a fairy tale where they always agree. someone has mercury in the 12th in their natal, that's going to cause problems with expression and might be what the problem is. when mercury is in the 12th it doesn't come acosss the same way as it would in a different house position. it could be that the person feels misunderstood, that they don't communicate well (or express themselves easily), etc. 12th house placements for venus and mercury aren't great because they can inhibit what we need most in a relationship, expressions of love and communication.IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 12:40 PM
Oh, and you don't think a Venus/Mars square might indicate lovers?Or a Sun/Neptune conjunction might indicate romance? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted August 16, 2015 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Oh, and you don't think a Venus/Mars square might indicate lovers?Or a Sun/Neptune conjunction might indicate romance?
Lovers yes, but not married to each other. They share a negative karma from a past life. Their karmic lesson is to accept each other as they are. They need to learn to mature and to balance things between them. If they get married, they will divorce later on. IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Lovers yes, but not married to each other. They share a negative karma from a past life. Their karmic lesson is to accept each other as they are. They need to learn to mature and to balance things between them. If they get married, they will divorce later on.
what is the aspect corresponding to this? thank you. ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
they are people and people will have different life views regardless of their synastry, whether good or bad. a decent synastry doesn't mean they will mirror one another in thoughts. that sounds... like whomever is complaining wants a fairy tale where they always agree. someone has mercury in the 12th in their natal, that's going to cause problems with expression and might be what the problem is. when mercury is in the 12th it doesn't come acosss the same way as it would in a different house position. it could be that the person feels misunderstood, that they don't communicate well (or express themselves easily), etc. 12th house placements for venus and mercury aren't great because they can inhibit what we need most in a relationship, expressions of love and communication.
I noticed the same thing. And I think it gets better with age for him. ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
what is the aspect corresponding to this? thank you.
I said above. Squares to Saturn.
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posted August 16, 2015 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b] what is the aspect corresponding to this? thank you.
I said above. Squares to Saturn.[/B][/QUOTE]Sorry, but squares to Saturn is the most common aspect in marriages, in synastry or composites, so I honestly don't know what you mean. Of course, people usually have a common path longer than one life and it could be a marker for fate together, it certainly is. But they are a good sign in synastries, not a bad one. ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Sorry, but squares to Saturn is the most common aspect in marriages, in synastry or composites, so I honestly don't know what you mean. Of course, people usually have a common path longer than one life and it could be a marker for fate together, it certainly is. But they are a good sign in synastries, not a bad one.
I disagree.
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posted August 16, 2015 12:55 PM
Fair enough. But just take a look at a batch of 50 established couples (more than 10y) and come back and tell me how many Saturn sq you find in those  ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Fair enough. But just take a look at a batch of 50 established couples (more than 10y) and come back and tell me how many Saturn sq you find in those
I don't care. I don't follow any astrology rules. What I see is what I see. And usually it's the right thing.
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posted August 16, 2015 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Fair enough. But just take a look at a batch of 50 established couples (more than 10y) and come back and tell me how many Saturn sq you find in those
saturn is generational, so won't it show up as a square for lots of couples? IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
saturn is generational, so won't it show up as a square for lots of couples?
It would but some people want to believe that everyone and their story is the same. IP: Logged |
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posted August 16, 2015 01:08 PM
For RosalindFamous long-term couples and the "dreaded" Saturn lol (number 7) [b]Liz/Richard Burton Sun/Saturn conjunct Moon (1)
Sun trine Saturn (9)
Sun quintile Saturn (0)
Composite Moon quintile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Princess Lillian/Prince Bertil
Sun trine Saturn
DW Moon conjunct Saturn (0 and 2)
Composite Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn (6 and 1)
Davison Sun/Moon opp Saturn (8 and 2)
Elizabeth/Robert Browning
Moon square Saturn (2)
Napoleon/Josephine
Moon square Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7) Lauren Bacall/Bogie Sun square Saturn (2)
Sun sextile Saturn (2)
Moon trine Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (7)
Davison Sun conjunct Saturn (5) on DSC trine Moon (2)
Linda/Paul McCartney
Sun trine Saturn (3)
Sun semisextile Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (1)
Davison Sun square Saturn (5) Moon trine Saturn (7) Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman Sun trine Saturn (4), also Saturn on ASC/Venus
Composite Sun quintile Saturn (1)
June Carter/Johnny Cash (TOB unkn June)
Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sextile Saturn (4)
Brangelina
Sun trine Saturn (4)
Moon opposite Saturn (4)
Composite Moon sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (4), Sun trine Saturn (8)
Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor
Moon conjunct Saturn (2)
Moon trine Saturn (8)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (0), Moon sextile Saturn (2)
Davison Sun conjunct Moon trine Saturn (0 to 4)
Camilla/Charles
Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Moon square Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sesquisquare Saturn, Moon semisquare Saturn (0)
Eva/Juan Peron
Sun opp. Saturn (7)
Composite Sun sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Sun trine Saturn (2)
Rita Wilson/Tom Hanks
Sun sesquis Saturn (0)
Moon trine Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (6)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (5)
Goldie Hawn/Kurt Russel
Sun sextile Saturn (0)
Sun trine Saturn (1)
Moon square Saturn (2)
Moon conjunct Saturn (6)
Composite Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sesquis Saturn
Marie/Pierre Curie
Sun opp. Saturn (1)
Sun square Saturn (6)
Composite Moon square Saturn (8), in Davison too, plus Sun semisquare Saturn (0)
BTW, a majority of couples from the previous post have Saturn square NN in synastry.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 16, 2015 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by starmoon:
saturn is generational, so won't it show up as a square for lots of couples?
Saturn is not generational, it takes 30 y to move through the zodiac...more like semi generational...it takes 2.5 years to move through a sign, if direct. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 16, 2015 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I don't care. I don't follow any astrology rules. What I see is what I see. And usually it's the right thing.
This sounds like you're 12. Astrology ideas should be based on intensive research on real life charts and stories, especially when it comes to relationships. No one should give advice on those unless they have studied relational astrology, it's irresponsible to do otherwise. Your post sounds as if me looking for the link for you was a waste of my time. ------------------
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posted August 16, 2015 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This sounds like you're 12. Astrology ideas should be based on intensive research on real life charts and stories, especially when it comes to relationships. No one should give advice on those unless they have studied relational astrology, it's irresponsible to do otherwise.Your post sounds as if me looking for the link for you was a waste of my time.
Don't. Please. I don't need any links. I know enough astrology to know that I'm right. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 16, 2015 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Don't. Please. I don't need any links. I know enough astrology to know that I'm right.
On your own planet maybe, or in your head. Here reality is different, as you can see from numerous examples. ------------------
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Rosalind
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posted August 16, 2015 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
For Rosalind[b]Famous long-term couples and the "dreaded" Saturn lol (number 7) [b]Liz/Richard Burton Sun/Saturn conjunct Moon (1)
Sun trine Saturn (9)
Sun quintile Saturn (0)
Composite Moon quintile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Princess Lillian/Prince Bertil
Sun trine Saturn
DW Moon conjunct Saturn (0 and 2)
Composite Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn (6 and 1)
Davison Sun/Moon opp Saturn (8 and 2)
Elizabeth/Robert Browning
Moon square Saturn (2)
Napoleon/Josephine
Moon square Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7) Lauren Bacall/Bogie Sun square Saturn (2)
Sun sextile Saturn (2)
Moon trine Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (7)
Davison Sun conjunct Saturn (5) on DSC trine Moon (2)
Linda/Paul McCartney
Sun trine Saturn (3)
Sun semisextile Saturn (1)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (1)
Davison Sun square Saturn (5) Moon trine Saturn (7) Joanne Woodward/Paul Newman Sun trine Saturn (4), also Saturn on ASC/Venus
Composite Sun quintile Saturn (1)
June Carter/Johnny Cash (TOB unkn June)
Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sextile Saturn (4)
Brangelina
Sun trine Saturn (4)
Moon opposite Saturn (4)
Composite Moon sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (4), Sun trine Saturn (8)
Wallis Simpson/Edward Windsor
Moon conjunct Saturn (2)
Moon trine Saturn (8)
Composite Sun trine Saturn (0), Moon sextile Saturn (2)
Davison Sun conjunct Moon trine Saturn (0 to 4)
Camilla/Charles
Moon sextile Saturn (3)
Moon square Saturn (8)
Davison Sun sesquisquare Saturn, Moon semisquare Saturn (0)
Eva/Juan Peron
Sun opp. Saturn (7)
Composite Sun sextile Saturn (1)
Davison Sun trine Saturn (2)
Rita Wilson/Tom Hanks
Sun sesquis Saturn (0)
Moon trine Saturn (5)
Moon trine Saturn (7)
Composite Moon trine Saturn (6)
Davison Moon trine Saturn (5)
Goldie Hawn/Kurt Russel
Sun sextile Saturn (0)
Sun trine Saturn (1)
Moon square Saturn (2)
Moon conjunct Saturn (6)
Composite Sun quincunx Saturn (1)
Davison Moon sesquis Saturn
Marie/Pierre Curie
Sun opp. Saturn (1)
Sun square Saturn (6)
Composite Moon square Saturn (8), in Davison too, plus Sun semisquare Saturn (0)
BTW, a majority of couples from the previous post have Saturn square NN in synastry.
[/b] from here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000019-10.html [/B]
Is that your big proof that Saturn squares actually work? Geez.
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