posted September 10, 2015 01:05 PM            

He went to school twice for upper level degrees at my encouragement. Turns out that when he told me he was studying for school, he was actually just leaving the house to go do stuff. He took jobs that he didn't want to in order to provide for our family. But they never lasted. Even though I worked too, and stayed home with the kids, this was too much for him. He would rather work little part time things until he had enough money to not work at all. Then when he would run out, he would work again. This is what he was doing when I met him. And once we split, he went back to this. He has an MBA and is an attorney, and still can't manage steady work. He is self employed, and only works about half the time. He mostly plays.

Saturn showed in our finances too. He was very irresponsible with money, so I handled everything. I was very tired of it. I hated being so responsible all the time. It felt like a horrible weight. I felt I could not leave him because I thought he would come undone without me. So we were married for 12 years because I felt guilty leaving him. Like I would be abandoning him. I left because he crossed a line that I could not come back from. At this point, he kind of is coming undone, but thats his cross to bear, not mine. But we had kids, so I felt responsible to make everything work. So I did all the roles in the marriage. I resented his irresponsibility, and he resented my ever watchful presence making him have discipline. Actually, I still carry extra responsibility now. I handle all the details about our children. I have to chase him to pay bills for the kids, or my support. I provide for the health insurance for the kids as well, because I just don't trust him to do it. So because I know his downfalls, and his priority is fun over necessity, I work, am going back to school, handle the kids needs, etc. I got the animals in the split too because I knew he would not care for them.

It played out in health too. I am very health conscious, love to exercise and eat well. Grew my own food, ran for years, etc. Him? Not so much. I lost a lot of attraction to him as these issues piled up. He would seemingly be healthy with our family, only to find out he was stopping at gas stations and eating crap every chance he could. I never made an ultimatum about him eating like me, but I am very passionate about what I believe in. And so thats what I cooked and how I raised the kids. So he felt very boxed in, and this was how he handled it. He never talked to me about it, never told me he didn't want to always eat healthy. He just presented one side of himself to me, and then went and did his own thing when I wasn't around.

All the things he wanted to do, were like playing to me. He loved music and to play guitar, he wanted to be a dj, he wanted to go hear music all the time. In the beginning we did these things constantly. But the less he met my needs, the less I indulged his. So at the beginning of the relationship he saw me as fun because we did nothing but spend money, eat out, go to movies, and indulge his whims. By the time we split, I was the curmudgeon who never did anything fun. And I will admit, I didn't even feel bad I was like that by then. I was so disgusted by his lack of work ethic, that I was not about to feel guilty for him not getting to "play." I'm a work first, play later kind of girl.

posted September 10, 2015 01:40 PM            

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 I'd like us to focus more on what you felt about the other person when you were Saturn, and how you acted around them. How you played your Saturn around them.

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Aha yes--Thank you for moderating and knowing what you're looking for. Experiences rather than opinions wise!

I'm the Saturn in a Saturn-Mercury square and I definitely catch myself looking down on him on an intellectual level once in a while, even though by most accounts and my own estimation he is a bit of a genius (iq says Mastermind, whatever that means--been meaning to ask for clarification)..

My Saturn is at 0 Capricorn and his Mercury is at 2 Libra, conjunct my true black moon... so that plays into things. Much as I might like to resist his particular brand of semi-detached diplomacy I find that it is an intrinsic part of myself..

My Saturn might indeed feel threatened by his Mercury's autonomy, and gets very stern and at times condescending, but since it's not one aspect in isolation it doesn't always manifest that way..

My Saturn is trine his Venus so I also respect and admire his mode of enjoyment... On a serious level? Haha... like, I feel quite dedicated to encouraging his pleasure, enjoyment, and sensual, giving Leonine Venus--also I guess I sense the nearness to Virgo of his Venus--and his progressed Venus is in Virgo now, as is his progressed Mars... my Saturn digs it. It feels very reassuring that his relationship planets are progressed into the first degrees of an earth sign given the position of my Saturn... Other parts of me are worried it's gonna be all work and no play. My friends split up due in part to one of them having a natal Venus Virgo, in my opinion--he couldn't understand that she wanted romance and stuff--he said there would be time for that when their kid had grown up and all the work was done! That's another topic/line of inquiry though. .

posted September 10, 2015 02:41 PM            

With Sun/Saturn I'm Saturn. I am the one to blame. I'm cold and reserved. Maybe too cold for Sun. I sometimes think I took the light out of him. With me he never laughs and he rarely smiles.

posted September 10, 2015 03:12 PM            

Basically I cant get any more saturnian. My moon also sextile saturn.

I had a brief "fling" if you even call it that with an aqua whose sun conjunct my saturn and whose saturn-moon was on my NNode. He was very patient with me, took a great effort to guide me and almost acted as a mentor for me.

I have saturn on my sibling moon, trining her sun. I feel like I was always critical to what she does. When we were younger, she acted as my third parent. It was not fun. I have a mercury-saturn conjunct as well and siblings = parents is big for this aspect. Later on, when I've carved out my identity, I became very critical towards her behaviors and now I feel like I'm the "authority," not a critical parent because I dont feel nurturing towards her at all.

posted September 10, 2015 04:45 PM            

The saturn of a generation conjuncts my asc/sun. Actually all the guys I met of that generation made me feel unloved or unattractive or critized, not even one of them intended to do so though.

The saturn of another generation trines my asc/sun. It is nice to see how the guys of that age, feels responsible towards me

posted September 10, 2015 07:59 PM            

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I was Saturn in a Mars/Saturn square in my marriage. I was always very critical and overbearing of my ex-husband's actions. He was very silly and goofy, and I always saw him as not serious enough. So I lost my own goofiness and silliness, because I felt I needed to be responsible for both of us. It played out the entire marriage.

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this was beautiful mereiposa. this definetely makes so much sense in terms of saturn SQUARE mars or any other personal planet in synastry. i actually know exactly what your talking about im experiencing the conjunction myself right now and the SQUARE with my partner at the moment. with another person that i go to school with (he's a musician) i have my saturn square his sun and venus and its those awful squares with the FIXED SIGNS. i heard that the square with fixed signs are by far the worst to deal with. i defeinetely see this guy (musician) someone very immature, childish, indulgeful, and just wants to have fun doesnt really know who he is exactly i find myself critisizing him a lot but he's also very smart has lots of knowledge he's got his saturn conjunct my sun. anyways your story defently gave me insight with my own situation with the musician. I send all my healing to you.....

posted September 10, 2015 08:18 PM            

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I'd like us to focus more on what you felt about the other person when you were Saturn, and how you acted around them. How you played your Saturn around them.

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I feel/think he's a well-rounded person, although quite different in some ways. I respect that, especially after knowing his past. It's attractive. Where I come from, there's an idiomatic expression of "forged iron" or "pass through fire". People who have been tested. It's sad too. Like "I like how you are, but I wish you didn't have to go through all of that."

It's hard to describe, as saturn, I feel pleased to have him as a partner. Like the saturnine energy in me nods in approval - "we're a good team".

Sometimes I watch him, in public, at home, in a crisis, in loss, triumph, in joy, in sorrow....etc.. and I feel proud of him. And it feels good to know that I've been right there with him along the way.

I feel sad especially when my protective tendency goes into overdrive. Deep down I want to cocoon him. Want to do so much, but there are things one just can't do for another person. Thinking/feeling this way clashes with the more rational part of my brain. But sometimes I can't help but to feel kinda powerless. One example is how I acted at the beginning of the relationship. He grew up in poverty and suffered a great deal. Rural, 3rd-world-country poverty. It leaves marks on him, both physically and emotionally. I somewhat "overcompensated", as if I was trying to heal the past. He noticed it but didn't bring it up until one day I couldn't keep it contained anymore. We had a long talk, during which he said he felt happy, he was at peace with his past, and he hoped I could be too. I calmed the hell down after it.

Next to the mushy declaration of venus and the psychedelic neppy colors, there are instances where saturn comes out. Like I sometimes give him compliments like "You've done well, I'm proud". He said that whenever I do that, he'd get the image of a drill sergeant saying "Not bad trainee. You're not the fastest sperm for nothing after all". Sometimes it makes him want to impress me. Which is very weird and out of character for him.

posted September 10, 2015 08:50 PM            

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this was beautiful mereiposa. this definetely makes so much sense in terms of saturn SQUARE mars or any other personal planet in synastry. i actually know exactly what your talking about im experiencing the conjunction myself right now and the SQUARE with my partner at the moment. with another person that i go to school with (he's a musician) i have my saturn square his sun and venus and its those awful squares with the FIXED SIGNS. i heard that the square with fixed signs are by far the worst to deal with. i defeinetely see this guy (musician) someone very immature, childish, indulgeful, and just wants to have fun doesnt really know who he is exactly i find myself critisizing him a lot but he's also very smart has lots of knowledge he's got his saturn conjunct my sun. anyways your story defently gave me insight with my own situation with the musician. I send all my healing to you.....

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posted September 10, 2015 11:46 PM            

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Thanks angel. I feel sad, because we had a friendship that was lost due to all the resentment and bitterness. But I no longer respect him, and as that is huge to me, any chance of redemption for him is gone. He is an extremely intelligent man, one that I admired greatly. But to have so much talent and gifts at your hands, and then to throw them away... I lost all respect. And again, because we have two children, I cover for him so that our children don't see this side of him and will grow to be better people than he is. I feel sad too that I see him this way, because I would be absolutely devastated if someone else was that ashamed of me. I appreciate the healing thoughts. I have spent the last two years working on just that.

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Of course meireiposa I can definetely feel the wound here but is yet to be healed 100% and you are absolutely doing the right thing for your children and yourself as I can see. every thing we do in life is just a step closer to where our soul yearns to evolve towards to.

posted September 11, 2015 05:13 PM            

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Wow Mereioposa, that hit home for me. I'm Mars in the Saturn Mars sq w new guy. He nags me quite a bit bc he doesn't think I'm living up to my full ootential. How to tell somebody that you don't want material things, bills and responsibilities. .. I'm just not wired that way as an artist. He feels cheated if he can't eat out at the best restaurants whenever he's hungry... I could eat out of a garden or heat up soup and I'd be happy.. hmm. I'm also the moon in sat moon sq. Curious if anyone has stories being Saturn in that scenario.. would Saturn feel they had to control your emotional expression?

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posted September 11, 2015 05:45 PM            

His saturn conjuncts my mercury. Its inconjunct on my venus and neptune I dont know if its worth mentioning but I am cause of the tight aspects. Squares my pluto.

I will only talk about how I feel as saturn but I am mentioning his saturn aspects to my chart because some of my feelings may be influenced by that.

I dont like being burdened with responsibilities myself. I hate it, but I feel like I need to be the one that takes them on so that we dont end up living in the gutter. i have much higher standards of living than he does, so my idea of a good life requires more work than his idea of a good life. He doesnt mind living in a homeless shelter or on the floor of a friends living room... I mind. For a while I was the only one working and supporting the both of us. I paid rent, bought all the food, paid for fun activities, everything. After a year or so of that, he finally got a job but still, I spend more money than he does. I feel overly burdened by the relationship. I keep having to remind him whats right and wrong. I am always trying to convince him not to use drugs or get into fights with random people! I feel like I'm his mother. I clean up after him. I am always telling him to clean up after himself but he acts like I am nagging him. I tell him I pay rent and utilities so he needs to at least help maintain our apartment and try not to run up the bill (leaving lights on , doing laundry with like 5 clothes, leaving ac/heat on. But he makes excuses or acts like I am asking too much of him. After he got a job, he still doesnt help wih rent or utilities. He spends his money on useless things while I cant afford a lot of things because I spend all my money on us. Still he spends money on us when we go out and stuff... you know... FUN things. Not things we need. For example, he used all my shampoo and so I asked him to buy more while I was at work, he tells me he doesnt need shampoo for his short hair but he will buy some for me. Uh thanks I guess? Then he buys the cheapest ******** he can find, not the stuff I always get. Because to him, he can live without it, and he doesnt need good shampoo for long nice hair and being an aries moon, he cant see beyond HIS needs only.

There are so many things I would rather do, and I would be at a much better place if I was alone. I want to be a freelance artist and I want to go back to school but I cant really focus on my art or going back to school because I need to be the responsible one and without me working, I know we would be struggling. I am always so tired after work, it takes me weeks to finish one drawing. He acts like I am putting all these restrictions and rules on him, but I actually am the one that takes on all the responsibilites and I wish he would help lighten the load. But he acts like I am asking too much. I've given up a lot for our relationship and I've worked very hard for it. He hasnt.

posted September 11, 2015 06:16 PM            

I just felt like he was too pretty for me he'd wave for me to come here then I'd realize how ugly i am and just high tail it the other way.. oh we are both in other relationships too.

posted September 12, 2015 09:48 AM            

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Leeloo the saturn person is the only one who feels the glue?Or it goes both ways?What you think?

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posted September 12, 2015 07:16 PM            

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My saturn squares his moon, conjuncts his north node. Loose square on his mercury and loose conjunct on his asc.

His saturn conjuncts my mercury. Its inconjunct on my venus and neptune I dont know if its worth mentioning but I am cause of the tight aspects. Squares my pluto.

I will only talk about how I feel as saturn but I am mentioning his saturn aspects to my chart because some of my feelings may be influenced by that.

I dont like being burdened with responsibilities myself. I hate it, but I feel like I need to be the one that takes them on so that we dont end up living in the gutter. i have much higher standards of living than he does, so my idea of a good life requires more work than his idea of a good life. He doesnt mind living in a homeless shelter or on the floor of a friends living room... I mind. For a while I was the only one working and supporting the both of us. I paid rent, bought all the food, paid for fun activities, everything. After a year or so of that, he finally got a job but still, I spend more money than he does. I feel overly burdened by the relationship. I keep having to remind him whats right and wrong. I am always trying to convince him not to use drugs or get into fights with random people! I feel like I'm his mother. I clean up after him. I am always telling him to clean up after himself but he acts like I am nagging him. I tell him I pay rent and utilities so he needs to at least help maintain our apartment and try not to run up the bill (leaving lights on , doing laundry with like 5 clothes, leaving ac/heat on. But he makes excuses or acts like I am asking too much of him. After he got a job, he still doesnt help wih rent or utilities. He spends his money on useless things while I cant afford a lot of things because I spend all my money on us. Still he spends money on us when we go out and stuff... you know... FUN things. Not things we need. For example, he used all my shampoo and so I asked him to buy more while I was at work, he tells me he doesnt need shampoo for his short hair but he will buy some for me. Uh thanks I guess? Then he buys the cheapest ******** he can find, not the stuff I always get. Because to him, he can live without it, and he doesnt need good shampoo for long nice hair and being an aries moon, he cant see beyond HIS needs only.

There are so many things I would rather do, and I would be at a much better place if I was alone. I want to be a freelance artist and I want to go back to school but I cant really focus on my art or going back to school because I need to be the responsible one and without me working, I know we would be struggling. I am always so tired after work, it takes me weeks to finish one drawing. He acts like I am putting all these restrictions and rules on him, but I actually am the one that takes on all the responsibilites and I wish he would help lighten the load. But he acts like I am asking too much. I've given up a lot for our relationship and I've worked very hard for it. He hasnt.

I almost want to just to say **** it and start being selfish, live with my mom and go back to college. But I cant abandon him like that.

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As an outsider, I have to ask why exactly you're in a "relationship" with him, or what you supposedly get out of it? Or why it'd be abandoning anyone if they're not doing anything (and as per how I read things, someone who is working at the moment at least, so could try to arrange something for himself with that, if forced to and having to)? As in, why isn't money for rent and such automatically taken out of his pay if they're long-term living somewhere you're paying otherwise? You're certainly not teaching him responsibility or how to be better in any way (Saturn-NN) pampering someone like that. Again, the outsider, blunt, whatever, but no sex can be that good in return for nothing but crap as you describe it. Crap to the point of "Is this actually for real or parodying something, because of mentions of drugs and such?"

At the very least you should confiscate whatever things he's bought for himself (possibly selling whatever if possible) to compensate you financially. As a "Do you get my point?" move to him, if able to keep them from retaliating with worse, etc. It'd be no worse than what he's doing, as it seems. Inflammatory, but since I don't know what you're getting out of anything like that, being blunt and such. Or any time going out, ask not to be bought a drink or whatever and instead ask for any of it in money instead, to use on something you actually need. He might get the point after whatever similar forays, should you actually want someone like that around for longer, instead of kicking them out the way they most likely should be, until able to deal with you or anybody else on adult or equal levels. Reading your text I get the urge to dump whatever **** he hasn't cleaned up after himself on him, down his pants or whatever, while he's sleeping or sitting anywhere or whatever, so I react very hostilely to what I'm reading, obviously. If it's cigarette ashes, food or whatever such, all the more. Dump it down inside his clothes, tell whoever like that you're not their mother, kick them out by changing the locks and dumping some immediate possessions outside while they're out, etc. etc. Hostile reaction and more. Return access at most if he learns the world will restrict his ass to no end wherever he is when having to take care of himself, not you, and if and when they're drug-free and acting healthily or even remotely over the age of 14.

As in, this isn't about him. It's about you learning at some stage that your best may be something other than what you're currently doing. Take a hint from yourself and read what you're writing. If it's about not wanting to throw away something you've put so much effort on after this time, have you considered how much longer still or how much more in general you're going to put on something, adding to the time and effort pile making leaving because of that even more difficult? What's your "I did my two, five, ten years of time, this is enough now" limit? What's your "I should have done this for myself years ago" thinking level going to be even later still, depending on how much more you invest on what you already consider a waste of time?

posted September 13, 2015 04:12 PM            

The relationship that was the most painful (and in many ways unrequited) for me: He was 16 years older and my Saturn trined his Venus (0.35) and sextiled his Moon (4); his Saturn widely squared my Mars and ASC. It was an actual relationship for a year or two, but he ultimately returned to his wife, from whom he had supposedly separated, who was several years older than him.

The relationship that felt the most comfortable or "at home" for me, but it didn't last long (about 6 months): My Saturn conjunct his Moon (6) and Mercury (5). Our Saturns (and other slow moving planets) were also closely conjunct, as he was only 2 weeks younger than me, so his Saturn made the same aspects to my personal planets as my natal Saturn did.

Longest lasting relationship (8 years together; we're still friends and talk about once per week; 10 years total); I'm 7 years older. My Saturn conjunct his Mercury (0.39), square his Moon (4), and widely conjunct his Venus. His Saturn widely aspects my Sun and Mars, and we have a Saturn/ASC double whammy conjunction at 3. I always felt very secure in the relationship; but when his alcoholism got too much for me to bear, I couldn't figure out how to get him to leave. I often felt like he would die if I didn't take care of him; I'm still afraid I'll be the one to find him dead someday. There were times when he felt smothered.

Current (and best) relationship (2 years together; he's 3 years older): We have Sun/Saturn double whammies (sextile and trine); Mars/Saturn double whammies (trine and quincunx); and Mercury/Saturn double whammies (semisquare and sesquiquadrate, but very close at 0.05 and 1.41). He is constantly trying to teach me a better way to do most everything; most of the time it doesn't bother me, but every once in awhile we get upset with each other. When we do, it's because the other is taking personally a comment that was never intended as a criticism.

In all the relationships, including my mother, I feel/felt criticized for being too emotional, and unable to control my emotions. (Besides my Moon/Node in the last degrees of Pisces, I have Mars at 29 Scorpio). Of course, that's also how I feel about myself when I'm in a funk, but they not infrequently verbalize it so I'm not entirely making it up in my head.

posted September 13, 2015 06:01 PM            

Had a DW Moon conj Saturn. Generally this person is very friendly and chatty. I like this in people. They were easy to talk to. We started arguing instantly about various subjects, matching wits, that sort of thing. Loved it!! They had an annoying habit of making plans then backing out come showtime.

Ultimately things got really emotional. There was a lot of emotional censoring on my part.

In the end I felt I couldn't rely on their word. I hate that. First I went silent and tried to fade away, hint wasn't received. Somehow a huge argument ensued, with that they stopped trying to initiate talk. Isolated attempts were met with cold silence.

Sum total: I find this person a selfish, phony iitch.

posted September 13, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Wow Mereioposa, that hit home for me. I'm Mars in the Saturn Mars sq w new guy. He nags me quite a bit bc he doesn't think I'm living up to my full ootential. How to tell somebody that you don't want material things, bills and responsibilities

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posted September 13, 2015 06:18 PM            

I always felt that I was too criticizing, especially in matters regarding her emotional instability and sudden craziness that burst out of her. But also the strange urge to protect her from everything like I was her father.
Thank god my Sun and Jupiter trine her Moon/Uranus conjuction, or else I think this would be devistating!

Her Saturn(H12) sits on my Pluto(IC) which trines my Venus(H8).
I feel her need to teach and stabilize me in matters of the subconscious, intimacy and security.

We have a very close bond, even though we are on no contact terms this moment again.

posted September 13, 2015 11:19 PM            

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Let's explore what Saturn feels/how it reacts.

When you were Saturn in synastric contacts (to luminaries, Venus, Mars, angles, nodes, but any planet in fact, overlays) what did you feel/want, how did it play out for you? How did you feel your Saturn there, what did you feel for the planet?

Let's do a personal history of Saturn, I'll come back with mine.

Specify the role of Saturn in your chart.
The aspects with the other (overlays too).

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Hi Lee <3

Wow this is a tall order.

I am just going to review one relationship here. This is the synastry with my college boyfriend. His birth time is approximate (I worked out his ASC back then, I know it's Capricorn but forget the time), and mine is rectified.

Notice his Venus is on my ASC.

Notice I added Crocus instead of Amor, by accident.

So here is the long story, I've told it before, but I forget where, so I'm repeating it. We met because he saw me on campus, fell in love at first sight (he always said), wrote me a love letter before I ever met him, and then asked me out over the phone. I had seen him and knew who he was...he was incredibly good looking to me, way out of my league...I guess that's what gave him the confidence to pursue me this way.

Actually, he had tried to say "Hi" to me several times on campus and get to know me the normal way, but I had thought he was mocking me or something, and I ignored him.

From our first date, problems were obvious. I think it's the Mars square Mars. But he was also determined to have me as his girlfriend (and eventually his wife)...so it's almost like, he was more the Saturn figure. His Saturn at 14 Cancer forms a cardinal grand cross with my sun, Jupiter, and Pluto, and is trine my moon.

My Saturn conjunct his Venus as you see.

...What did you feel/want, how did it play out for you?

I wanted the stability that he had to offer. Basically, together, we were an unchanging couple amidst a sea of constantly changing couples. If I can just pinpoint his Venus, well he did a ton of very sweet things for me that I tried not to take for granted...even though that underlying tension never went away.

Here's something...he LIKED how Saturnine I was...that was what attracted him in the first place. He liked that I ate my meals alone in the cafeteria (something that didn't even cross my mind as a positive or negative thing.) He liked that I could walk into a party and not get nervous or giggly, but just keep my serious face...in fact even though we partied mostly with his friends, I felt like he was almost using me as a shield ...he would stand behind me or super close as if he wanted me to offset any problems that came up.

As you see my Saturn is right on the Cancer-Leo cusp, an area of the zodiac prone to mood swings...except Saturn there has a stabilizing effect and can actually block emotional expression altogether, according to what I've read.

He was enchanted by all these boring and serious things that I just took for granted, and so did everyone else who knew me, I think.

Saturn is my sun's ruler so having someone appreciate...adulate...the way I express Saturn energy really got me in my core. It went beyond the petty squabbles that kept us mentally on edge with each other. Even after I broke up with him and was delighted to be free...I could see him some random place and feel almost powerless to resist him...and he was ALWAYS interested in getting back together.

The interesting thing here is that a lot of times, he would pick up on my subtle cues and use that to manipulate me back into a relationship. So again, Saturn is muting my emotional expression, but he actually thrived on that and adored my reserve, which in turn made me...sort of vicariously emote through him. Seeing him acting out all the underlying complexity of the relationship kept me hooked in it, as if he was telling me things that I felt I needed to know, not just about us but about life in general.

How did you feel your Saturn there, what did you feel for the planet?

I think I probably answered this above, but to reiterate, I felt very deeply appreciated, with respect to my Saturnine qualities. Although this increased my overall feeling of being attractive to him, it did not suffice to make me feel thoroughly understood and accepted. Still, I felt that his Venus was beautiful...how could I not like a planet that saw so much beauty in one of my ugly spots (Saturn)? I felt inspired by his Venus...it was good to see someone getting virtually intoxicated by things in me that I had felt were problematic at best...as if he was so resourceful, he could genuinely see the potential racing car in a heap of scrap metal, and love the scraps for all their potential.

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posted September 14, 2015 11:06 AM            

Very significant pattern completion in this synastry, unfortunately some unaspected too (especially for him, in the long run)

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