posted September 12, 2015 02:03 AM            

The BLACK MOON, however, is its polar opposite. When the Moon seems most distant and high, she is near. A strong representation of Lilith energy, she is independent, fierce, and will not succumb to the will of anyone. She demands equal billing or total solitude.

What happens when these two converge in synastry? What energies collide, what sparks fly? What results from the point where we are uncompromising in our dominance comes into contact with the point at which we are most vulnerable, yielding, and seeking to form powerful, primal relationship with another?

For one, it's sexual. We can find that many things in astrology might also express as other things; Venus may be friendly, loving, or aesthetic. Mars could be driven, sexual, or combative. Neptune can even be either fantasy or delusion; but one thing has proved undeniable to me. These two are sexual at their core, and in a very primal way.

Often, the intensity can be daunting to the point of volatility; the BLACK MOON is drawn to the powerful need of PRIAPUS, while struggling to maintain its own independence, distance, and personal freedom. Meanwhile, PRIAPUS is desperately in search of union with the BLACK MOON, to the point of utter despair and uncharacteristic displays of longing and desire.

Of course, like most things, how they'll express stems from their natal disposition and is deeply rooted in the MOON. Everything from childhood traumas to the relationship with one's mother can determine how easily or difficult expression might prove.

We all more comfortably and innately express one over the other; typically, this is the point nearest to a light. If the SUN, it's at the core of our ego and identity. If the MOON, it's been instilled into our emotional profile through childhood experiences, and directly influenced by them. We also will seek throughout our lives -- especially through our relationships -- to find equilibrium by reclaiming the energy which has been disowned.

This is why, when the two are in aspect through synastry, it is crucial to first note which is the natural energy in the natal, and to determine how the aspect is activating it. The conjunction has shown to be the most profound, given the inherent mathematical relationship of the two along an axis. Where one is in direct relationship, the other will be opposed. This is a conflict screaming for resolution and integration, karmic in its origins, and played out through sexual dynamics.

In the instance that the aspected point is the energy that's been disowned, the level of difficulty will be directly proportionate to the individual's ability to integrate these traits as 'ego syntonic' (identifiable) versus what has long since been 'ego dystonic' -- or that with which we don't identify, and refuse to acknowledge of ourselves.

You may have guessed, fundamental transformation is not easy. Perhaps the reason that the bedroom is the battleground for this deeply psychological contest of wills is no coincidence. Early psychoanalytic theory asserts that that Thanatos -- the 'death instinct' -- must have some victory over Ego before Eros -- 'the urge to merge' -- can be realised and integrate into the personality.

Being an aspect of Lilith's journey to reclamation of her spirit and for her value to be recognised through being loved as an equal, the BLACK MOON bears her stamp indelibly.

Here, it is where we have suffered powerful rejection, questioning the value of our own worth, especially in relationship to others. We may have been unfavourably compared or shamed for demanding equality in our relationships. It's created a deep, dark wound that festers beneath the surface of a cool exterior. This is the epitome of fears of commitment, issues with intimacy, and an uncompromising need for total freedom with a preference for solitude.

This isn't so with PRIAPUS. Rather than our sexuality and intimacy needs being repressed due to early rejections that have lasting emotional scars, we are innocent, unbridled, and uncivilised in our desire for merging through sexual union. Whether we seek to return to a womb-like state, have our ego obliterated, some combination of both, or something altogether different -- who can say?

The fact remains that we have the union -- and, hopeful integration -- of raw, uncompromising sexual desire, and total, uncompromising need for freedom -- at the expense of intimacy, in most cases.

What have been your experiences? How may we best find them in relationship, as opposed to being at odds?

posted September 12, 2015 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

The BLACK MOON, however, is its polar opposite. When the Moon seems most distant and high, she is near.

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One thing to consider, too, is that at that point, the Moon is closest to the Sun.

posted September 12, 2015 11:04 AM            

Natal, I have true Lilith 3 degrees from my Sun, which puts Priapus conjunct my Moon exact.

BML Lilith is conjunct my Jupiter. This is all 8th/2nd house, Cancer/Capricorn axis.

What you said resonates with me- Lilith conjunct my Sun and I search for equality in relationships. I want equal partnership, and I don't tolerate people who don't carry their own. Especially in love. By equal I mean all areas- physical tangible responsibilities as well as the mental and emotional intangibles. I am willing to dive deep, and I want the same. I look for reciprocation.

But Priapus on my Moon, I find I give in and am overly giving to my partner. At first it's out of love and true wanting to be generous. I give and give and give, until Lilith takes over and I am enraged by the lack of reciprocation. I alternate between a docile martyr and an unchained warrior woman. Fun times for the unsuspecting man in my life.

In synastry, I have only had one planetary conjunctions to my Lilith/Priapus. Probably for the best! His sun was 2 degrees away from Lilith, therefore opposite my Primps. That man was my former husband. We had HUGE issues of inequality pervading the entire marriage. And unfortunately, we did not reap the sexual benefits. Ever.

In a recent relationship no planetary conjunctions, which is probably for the best. Lilith and Priapus are doing enough for me as it is. But there are many sextiles and trines from my friend, and if you throw in asteroids... well then it gets interesting. I am not entirely sure how it all plays out, but I am thinking about it.

posted September 12, 2015 02:39 PM            

His Priapus taurus@0.45(my aries BM Lilith semi-sextile 1.5 degree)
My True(h13) Lilith taurus@0.24...in both our 7th houses, on the cusp of my 8th house.

My asteroid Lilith is scorp@4.12
My Uranus scorp@4.44
My Cupido scorp@2.07(763)
My Cupido scorp@0.23(h40)
My Mars gemini@29.33
His Jupiter saggy@29.42

His BM Lilith and (h21)Lilith are conjunct my NN..they are both semi-sextile my Priapus.

My Priapus libra@26.44
His AC libra@27.47
His Cupido libra@24.46(763)
His Cupido libra@24.38(h40)
My Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.46
His Eros aqua@25.25
His Asmodeus leo@24.19
My Asmodeus aries@25.48
My Chiron aries@24.14

My Moon virgo@18.32
His Moon pisces@21.27

posted September 12, 2015 03:03 PM            

I suspect that sexual relationship -- as opposed to mere activity -- doesn't enter the picture until there is resolution and true union -- at the soul level. And, thank you for the explanation regarding your MOON. Yes, I feel that, even if it's out of orb, should there be an exact conjunction to PRIAPUS, that whatever touches the MOON -- but not it -- will be felt by way of association; the energy carries. Not to mention, the intrinsic relationship of the MOON to these points. Almost as if through the principle of nonlocality -- a holographic relationship.

As a BML-SUN myself, I can say that I relate, deeply, to the demand for equality and a fear of getting too close, finding myself trapped. What I don't have is anything directly conjunct with PRIAPUS. It's been hanging out there in the wind in my 8H pretty much ... forever. I believe, once, I was madly in love with a man whose VENUS is conjunct it by 0º30. We had a complicated relationship starting in our early teens, which shifted and evolved over time; I watched him date my dearest girlfriends, and then break their hearts. I vowed never, ever to be one of them, despite being crazy about him.

He finally admitted in our twenties, that I've held such a special place in his life that no one can ever touch it. Not even his wife. Instead, he was so terrified of 'corrupting' me, being one of the only women for whom he'd ever had true respect. We were definitely linked at the soul.

I longed for the deeper connexion that PRIAPUS demands, but, alas, it was never quite to be. Our chemistry remained off the charts, however. Hitting our thirties, despite the complexity of our connexion, he one day 'let me go' in the astral. I awoke to find he'd unfriended me on Facebook without explanation. It's been over a year now, and remains a mystery.

I forget where his PRIAPUS is, actually.

posted September 12, 2015 03:24 PM            

Isn't PRIAPUS near your VENUS, though, not conjunct? I recall you having some late Libra points.

Also, how is his PRIAPUS positioned natally? You said that this isn't characteristic behaviour for him, to be aware of his emotions and acting upon them?

As we are all more 'Lilith-oriented' or 'Priapic', it's important to first establish what our base behaviour and approach is, and then evaluate how our relationships are supporting or challenging it.

If you are more Priapic, then developing your dominant side -- the independent Black Moon energy, which is in control of emotions rather than slavish to them, and able to resist the temptation to become involved with partners who will not value our contributions, seeing us as equal -- is important. This will, overall, help you to gain better control of your emotions, fighting for your own needs to be met equally.

If, however, you are already a Lilith type, the imbalance lies in the inability to express these emotions, which have become repressed over time due to fear of further rejection. Your most productive relationships will then require you to confront them and allow yourself to abandon yourself to them to experience true union and depth of feeling.

While I often feel that direct relationship to a light is most -- heh -- illuminating, it can also be a woman's VENUS, or a man's MARS. Or, in the case of a man's VENUS, he'll disown the point involved (be it BML or PRIAPUS) seeking to resolve these issues in his relationships, and likewise for a woman's MARS, whereas she will throw the energy onto the men in her life, so that she is either able to deal with masculine / projective sexuality (PRIAPUS) or their painting her a Lilith-type figure (if BML).

Since you do have the conjunction, there's no doubt that there are deep issues which must be sorted between the two of you. Indeed, PRIAPUS must not be allowed to reorient all energy into sexual energy -- especially in the case of being a Priapic type, just as BML must actively guard its desire to cut and run to preserve their freedom and prevent what feels like an inevitable rejection.

posted September 12, 2015 03:44 PM            

My Venus libra@19.05
Anti-Vertex libra@21.23
Priapus libra@26.44
Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.32

BM Lilith aries@2.59(opposes his Pluto/Merc libra@2.0)
Saturn leo@2.50
Merc saggy@3.32
Sun saggy@4.28

I actually feel I have a balance of both energies...is that possible? I can let go or I can maintain my emotions depending on what I want to do...and how I feel about the person.

His BM Lilith scorp@23.39
His Moon pisces@21.27
His Mars virgo@23.35
His True Lilith scorp@26.25
His Sun virgo@29.38
His NN cap@23.50

His Priapus taurus@0.45
Trine His Jupiter sag@29.42
Incinjunct his-
Sun virgo@29.38
Merc libra@1.54
Pluto libra@1.49

I'm not sure which side he is displays more....

posted September 12, 2015 04:12 PM            

my Priapus is conjunct my NIKE lol, but I think that`s about it, definitely not near my Moon nor Sun.

For Mr Sag his true BML is conjunct his NN, while his PRIAPUS is conjunct his SN (and his solar arc Venus had been touching this in the recent years).

his natural Lilith is on 19 Virgo, not conjunct, but 8 degrees off his natal Mars on 11 Virgo.

who knows? maybe it is part of his karma or lesson or whatever to incorporate more the Lilith-character.

his true BML opposes mine with about half a degree (which of course brings true Priapus to each others true BML) and additionally his Priapus is conjunct my BML widely as well, 3 degrees I think.

his BML/Priapus-mp (only using natural for this) is on 10°02 Sagittarius
conjunct my NN on 10°09 Sagittarius

now those are all calculated points obviously, but my Jupiter on 11°12 Pisces and Neptune on 9°57 Sag might tie into that. Interestingly enough our first meeting chart has ASC on 9 or 10 Sagittarius and Priapus conjunct Sun. lol
Lilith is near, though not conjunct, ASC, however she IS opposite PRiapus in the fmc.

Priapus however is also found at the basis of our composite chart, along with Eros and Dionysos.

EROS 14.40 taurus
DIONYSOS 15.19 TAurus
PRIAPUS 15.27 Taurus
IC 16.40 Taurus

And LILITH on 8°37 Sagittarius, right between the ASC and LILITH in our first meeting chart. lol

posted September 12, 2015 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I actually feel I have a balance of both energies...is that possible? I can let go or I can maintain my emotions depending on what I want to do...and how I feel about the person..

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With years of dedicated therapy and true self awareness, of course. We merely have a 'default mode' which will always kick in when under duress, or it's activated strongly in synastry. Then our basic instinct will overtake our training and experience.

Actually, I'd keep PRIAPUS and BML orbs very tight -- nothing beyond 3°, and most counting what's 0°-1°30.

However, you've got SUN/MOON=PRIAPUS (0°), so you're a naturally Priapic individual relying too heavily upon BML, if you're repressive and having difficulty letting go and expressing your sexuality. The 'wound' is what's actually ruling your behaviour.

posted September 12, 2015 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
With years of dedicated therapy and true self awareness, of course. We merely have a 'default mode' which will always kick in when under duress, or it's activated strongly in synastry. Then our basic instinct will overtake our training and experience.

Actually, I'd keep PRIAPUS and BML orbs very tight -- nothing beyond 3°, and most counting what's 0°-1°30.

However, you've got SUN/MOON=PRIAPUS (0°), so you're a naturally Priapic individual relying too heavily upon BML, if you're repressive and having difficulty letting go and expressing your sexuality. The 'wound' is what's actually ruling your behaviour.

Does he hit your PRIAPUS anywhere?

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Yes, his AC is on my Priapus and Sun/Moon midpoint...

My Priapus libra@26.44/My Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.46
His AC libra@27.47
His Cupido libra@24.46(763)
His Cupido libra@24.38(h40)
His NN cap@23.50

posted September 12, 2015 05:07 PM            

Perhaps the deepest part of you hasn't found it's 'worth it' to you yet. Because, yes, absolutely; when someone hits your PRIAPUS dead-on like that, it's going to bring it to the forefront.

The reason why I think PRIAPUS and BML are such a natural -- though paradoxical -- pairing, is that it forces both to resolve their deepest issues. And, for one, it's always going to be their disowned energy.

posted September 12, 2015 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow. That's pretty tight, Gabby. I'm actually really surprised you're able to hold it together around him so easily. I'm a SUN conjunct BML/PLUTO, with a history of being distant and aloof, and he's damned near my kryptonite. Granted, we've been together (off and on) for 5 years, and I was able to hold back for the first 3 years.

Perhaps the deepest part of you hasn't found it's 'worth it' to you yet. Because, yes, absolutely; when someone hits your PRIAPUS dead-on like that, it's going to bring it to the forefront.

The reason why I think PRIAPUS and BML are such a natural -- though paradoxical -- pairing, is that it forces both to resolve their deepest issues. And, for one, it's always going to be their disowned energy.

With my twin, it forces him to confront how much he's run from intimacy his entire life -- which has deeply affected us both in other lifelines -- many, many times. It also forces me to confront the same, though differently -- being the axis that it is. To not rely so heavily upon the Lilith energy which is innate to me, and to instead abandon myself to the frightening realm of my emotions, and allow myself to own my sexuality.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:44 PM            

BML conjunct IC and Kaali, trine IC ruler, square ASC, semisextile Uranus. She's not going anywhere, not anytime soon.

Priapus trine Eros. They're stuck on a lonely island so they play homo out of necessity. Oh, there's a special guest, a quindecile to the Sun. Unfortunately, he only cares about himself. He doesn't even want to jerk with them, what a jerk.

posted September 12, 2015 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
How about the relationship with myself?

BML conjunct IC and Kaali, trine IC ruler, square ASC, semisextile Uranus. She's not going anywhere, not anytime soon.

Priapus trine Eros. They're stuck on a lonely island so they play homo out of necessity. Oh, there's a special guest, a quindecile to the Sun. Unfortunately, he only cares about himself. He doesn't even want to jerk with them, what a jerk.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ya, I have not devoted myself to the relationship yet. It's been back n forth because he gets so emotional that he overreacts. Then I get annoyed and don't talk to him for a month.
I have very deep feelings for him but I just want to see some emotional stability, he wants me to move with him...

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posted September 12, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's a whole other deal, Ano.

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posted September 12, 2015 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, that guy. Ooooh. Yeah. That sounds rough. I don't blame you. Clearly, he needs to balance out with his own BML energy first. Gain some inward stability.

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posted September 12, 2015 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Do you only allow True Lilith here? (h13)

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True and Mean. They express differently.

posted September 12, 2015 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
adding natural Lilith here, as the proper counterpart to Priapus, as given on astro.com

however the natural and mean Lilith are never more than 5 degrees off each other.

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posted September 12, 2015 07:38 PM            

Conjunct his neptune by 2 (but natally my neptune by 0 so is a generational aspect?)
Trine his Osc. Black moon Lilith by 0
Trines the other two Lilith by 2
Squares nn exact
Sextile pluto by 0
(Trines sun by 4)

I can kind of see all these aspects, how they played out. Even though just trines there was a very sexual energy and it was primally so. Our communication was generally very blocked and scant but it was like flicking a switch and going right down to some mythological level of reality in which a lot was communicated. I'm submissive but with him there wasn't such a polarisation of my own sexual identity - on a concrete level of reality, because I still was but it seemed to mutate into its own language. In more obvious psychological ways masochism jigsawed with his needs (even though he was neither sadistic or dominant in apostrophes because he was but without the phraseology of it all; again it had its own un-modern language). I did however coax him into being more explicitly d/s but ... This base level still seemed to override more superficial levels, it was working in another way. With nn sq, the needs didn't really work in real life & also I suppose his father having been violently abusive ... There was something very tacit about it all.

posted September 12, 2015 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
adding natural Lilith here, as the proper counterpart to Priapus, as given on astro.com

however the natural and mean Lilith are never more than 5 degrees off each other.

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posted September 12, 2015 09:54 PM            

My guy's Venus conjuncts my Priapus at 0'20
The urge to merge with him right from the start was insane. Insane! We have a tight Moon-PLuto conjunction, as well, so that adds too.

However, in my natal, Priapus opposes my Lilith exact, at 0'10 degree orb!
Which means his Venus on my Priapus also gets an opposition from my Lilith. Deep urge to merge followed by a bit*h kick.
It's complicated.

btw, the exact natal opposition of my Priapus to my Lilith happens to be across my ASC/DSC and North Node/South Node and Sun.
Lilith conjuncts the Sun/DSC/SouthNode, Priapus conjuncts ASC/North Node.

posted September 12, 2015 10:06 PM            

you called me Mere, which is what all my friends call me. Also, I keep meaning to tell you that I have Venus at Virgo 8'50, which I believe is something important for you- your Venus or ASC?

Anyway,
I am glad you are writing about this. I have wondered about Lilith a lot and I find it hard to understand her completely. But learning about Priapus actually helps give perspective.

Perhaps you are right that the sexuality was blocked because the union was blocked. With my former husband, his relationship with his mother was not great. Though she is amazing and supportive in her way, he holds her responsible for many things in his childhood. I always felt a wall in our relationship.