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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted September 12, 2015 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys,

This is my first post on LindaLand but I used to be a member years ago, maybe 10years ago so it's good to be back! Now the reason I am back is because I accidentally found out the DOB of the guy in question. He is 5 years younger than me. When we first met, I felt this magnetic pull between us, just feeling like you're drawn to each other so strongly..I am pretty sure he felt that too. But me being older I felt like this is so wrong of me to even think about the possibility of anything romantic ever happening between us. He was 16 at a time.. The next time we met was 5 years later, I again tried to stay in the background. He then had a girlfriend but showed some interest in me at the same time. The communication between us was just effortless is what I can say. Now it has been 5 years again since the last time I saw him. For some reason I thought he was a Taurus but stumbled onto his Facebook page which has his date of birth and it turns out he is an Aries. But that was not the only surprise. Please have a look at our synastry and composite charts. I don't have his time of birth but when I put his Jupiter on Asc (he beams with optimism, always smiles), other planet placements made a lot of sense to me too, the chart just seems to fit him but I of course I can be very wrong.

Now He feels like a missed opportunity to me now. Is he really? Thank you in advance! I will post charts as well

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posted September 12, 2015 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 12, 2015 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 12, 2015 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 12, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think he's a missed opportunity, have you tried adding him online?

I can see why you like him... Venus/Mars, Venus/Pluto, Venus/Sun double whammies. Very nice.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not that simple. He is married now.

That's why I am asking you lot. How good is this on the paper (astro-wise)? Really as good as it looks to me?

Now you can all judge me if you wish to do so but I will sooner or later get up and go test the waters. I know that he is married but if there is something there and he's with the wrong person then I am to do the right thing by nicely putting myself in the picture. I'm not looking for a fling. What I want is love. I know majority out there call this behaviour 'home wrecking' but to me it's something else. If he is happily married, then he won't do anything wrong and I won't instigate. I'll have to look for love elsewhere.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to LL.

There's a reason you're feeling this now. I can't speak to his marriage, (likely a whole other realm of karma) but the two of you have outstanding romantic karma, with the dual-aspect conjunction of VENUS and MARS -- which acts as a skipped step in your chart -- that which we either failed to do, or failed to do properly. The, coincidentally, 'missed opportunity'. When they appear in our lives, we're being given another chance to make amends.

The SUN-VENUS-MARS-MERC in the 7H may be so, but we can't say unless a birthtime is known. Nonetheless, VENUS and MARS are 0º conjunct in the composite along with the SUN, which is a dead-giveaway that the purpose of the relationship is romantic and intensely sexual.

I'm not entirely sure why your romantic relationship is a skipped step for the both of you, but the fact remains and can't be denied.

Bear in mind that these are tough to hold onto without other binding influences, as yet to be determined. His MOON potentially being so close to your PLUTO along with his SUN on the cusp of your 7H points to a powerful emotional tie. His VENUS on your MOON is also a lovely combination, with your MARS.

Everything is, in a word, 'lovely'. It's almost too lovely; sometimes couples are drawn together to resolve their romantic karma and then, once debts are paid and lessons learn, fall out of love just as swiftly as they fell into it. This makes the whole relationship rather unstable, driven by the whims of either's emotions and romantic yearnings.

I would definitely stay in each other's lives. If it's to be resolved in the present lifeline, the opportunity for it to be so will appear.

I'm going to wager you ran back into each other, or 'fell back on each other's radar' during the VENUSRx?

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posted September 12, 2015 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
It's not that simple. He is married now.

That's why I am asking you lot. How good is this on the paper (astro-wise)? Really as good as it looks to me?

Now you can all judge me if you wish to do so but I will sooner or later get up and go test the waters. I know that he is married but if there is something there and he's with the wrong person then I am to do the right thing by nicely putting myself in the picture. I'm not looking for a fling. What I want is love. I know majority out there call this behaviour 'home wrecking' but to me it's something else. If he is happily married, then he won't do anything wrong and I won't instigate. I'll have to look for love elsewhere.


Yep. Sadly, that's what you have to do. Just be mindful that it could be as complicated as bringing a child into the world -- something that can't be ruled out, given how much VENUS/MARS energy is about here.

You could take a page out of my boyfriend's and my book (who also does happen to be my twin flame -- much as that term's needlessly bandied about more than it ought to be, if you ask me -- I digress). We worked together for the first 3 months of our acquaintance, becoming good friends.

After a certain point, we had The Conversation; the 'if circumstances were different, would our relationship be the same?' Nope. He unequivocally told me that, had I not been engaged at the time of our meeting, he wouldn't have let me out of his sight without securing a date, and, at this point, he would've proposed. Quite something, from a celibate man who'd not even had so much as a romantic relationship, and whose last 'encounter' was almost two decades prior.

And that was all I needed. We both sat down with my then-fiance / now-husband for a three-hour discussion which, frankly, took me a LONG time to even be able to recall without shaking my head and calling it 'the most awkward conversation of my life'. Negotiations are complicated things, and most individuals have no clue where to begin.

I can't say that's where you guys are headed, as I'd have to see a lot more than what I'm seeing. But, yes, there's outstanding karma. Is it the likes of which binds people for a lifetime? No idea. The lack of SATURN is curious, and, a bit uncomfortable. There's always the possibility that you should've had the relationship you didn't have when you didn't. Kinda like my karmic soulmate and I.

But, hey. What're you gonna do? You do the best you can.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Incidentally, I have absolutely beautiful romantic synastry with one of my oldest friends. We've never lived in the same state, and played at a long-distance relationship in our latter teens. I still have some of the most lovely letters he sent me, and the odd comfort that I 'talked him off the ledge' at some point during that time, helping him to become the man he is now.

Sometimes, beautiful romantic synastry is merely that. It never quite leaves your dynamics, but it may never be expressed, either. Many other factors are involved and must always be considered.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's ok. i had synastry very close to this once, where the house overlays favored the guy. what i mean is that his sun/mercury overlayed my 7th (as his do for you), and his venus also overlayed my 5th (as this guy does for you), and we had moon-pluto exact. i definitely felt more for him because his planets did not fall into my houses well. his moon in your 1st is really an emotional pull because of pluto-moon. you do have reciprocal sun in the 7th, which is a good marker for longevity, and double venus-mars helps. do you know his TOB? because most of the good stuff here comes from the overlays and proximity of planets (ie venus to mars/moon) and that could shift with a different TOB. you're also leaving out a very important thing - his wife. he could have even better synastry with her...

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posted September 12, 2015 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
it's ok. i had synastry very close to this once, where the house overlays favored the guy. what i mean is that his sun/mercury overlayed my 7th (as his do for you), and his venus also overlayed my 5th (as this guy does for you), and we had moon-pluto exact. i definitely felt more for him because his planets did not fall into my houses well. his moon in your 1st is really an emotional pull because of pluto-moon. you do have reciprocal sun in the 7th, which is a good marker for longevity, and double venus-mars helps. do you know his TOB? because most of the good stuff here comes from the overlays and proximity of planets (ie venus to mars/moon) and that could shift with a different TOB. you're also leaving out a very important thing - his wife. he could have even better synastry with her...

She doesn't know his TOB, so anything but her houses are meaningless at this point.

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posted September 12, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Curious, I'm intrigued what you meant by 'if he's happily married, he won't do anything wrong'. Even if he was unhappily married, he shouldn't do anything wrong. But there's no harm in asking the question, that if circumstances were different, would your relationship be the same -- or different?

My twin knew exactly what I meant, and responded accordingly. And bless him for doing so!

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posted September 12, 2015 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that good, Mercury/Uranus and Neptune unaspected, no romance in the long run. And the composite shows nothing will probably happen. (no getting together) If you do get together, it will be just a fling.

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posted September 12, 2015 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne, thank you for extensive reply and a glimpse into your past. Very interesting and the who doesn't like happy endings? I'm glad it all worked out.

The time of his birth of course is unknown, but I tried different times and aspects remain the same, at worst they get wider is all. Houses..could be anything really.

He has no children yet. He is very religious. I have a feeling his wife was his first woman because of that. So God knows what their marriage is like..result of love or lust..no idea.

'he won't do anything wrong if he's happily married'. The reason I said that..let me think why..I don't know I guess because men stray, but less so when happily married (we take serial cheaters out of this!). My Venus is Aqua thinks love is free, you do not control it, you do not keep tabs on your partner. If he cheats because he has feelings for another then I'm the wrong person for him to be with and vice versa. It shows the truth of your relationship. I would have a problem with cheating for sex only.

As for other things you noticed. Yes, it looks almost too good and yes, no saturn, no glue. That is something to worry about. Also, no asteroids, node, vertex stuff..but to be honest, I don't understand what's all the fuss about asteroids..really! Everyone on LindaLand is looking for something good between asteroids when there's not enough linkage between major planets. Gosh, even I did that when I was younger. But there are Big important planets out there, they should be enough, they're significant! I say if you don't have something good going on between them in synastry - forget about asteroids.

Anyways, you also mentioned Venus Rx. Great! I haven't thought of that. But I am already so confused about choosing the right time to approach. Really. Solar returns, transits, progressions. It's too much. I don't know what to do with it all..

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posted September 12, 2015 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Not that good, Mercury/Uranus and Neptune unaspected, no romance in the long run. And the composite shows nothing will probably happen. (no getting together) If you do get together, it will be just a fling.

Really? Even with the VENUS-MARS conjunction with the SUN and MERC? I thought, surely, the impetus for a relationship WOULD be its 'consummation'. Of course, once it's consummated -- it's done. Y'know? And outside of that, there's little that's driving it. I agree. Though, synastry is a bit more promising.

'splain yourself, Lee. Clearly, there's something I've yet to learn in this regard.

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posted September 12, 2015 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo2014, thanks.

'Nothing will happen and it's just a fling.' How did you work that out from composite? It's a very tight chart.

Mercury/Uranus is good for communication, right? We have Sun trine Mercury double whammy. Uranus/Sun is also there both ways but in this case especially I'd rather avoid both Uranus and Neptune because Uranus is so erratic and fickle, and Neptune is such a charmer that creates very often unnecessary illusions. Once you wake up from Neptune, it's like 'what the hell was wrong with me? How did I not see that in him? Why did he lie to me?' etc etc. Trine and sextiles I get tho, they're nice to have. We have some anyways: Moon and Venus to Neptune sextiles.

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posted September 12, 2015 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroids refine. They could help us understand what's driving the VENUS/MARS energy, for example. If CHILD is there -- then we know. If supported by EROS/PSYCHE, we can confirm a soulmates relationship with outstanding karma. And VALENTINE has an exceptional ability to heal most transgressions.

As to the rest: I understand your approach. My husband and I reevaluate and reaffirm our decision to be married every day. We are probably too honest with one another according to most, but it's helped a lot of people, so, I can't complain.

One of the absolute deciding factors with my twin, actually, was his unwillingness to accept my statement that my husband (then fiancé) was amenable to our exploring a relationship, as he and I had discussed it a few weeks prior, and continued doing so periodically. Was I momentarily offended that he was implying my dishonesty? Only slightly. I certainly wasn't seeking to begin exploring anything until all was fully negotiated, but his added insistence that he confirm everything with my husband was a mark of his strong moral character, rather than a concern regarding my own.

So it's a bit of a gut-level reaction when I come across anything hinting at the slightest whiff of infidelity, or being accepting of it. I've got too much Scorpio, even if I am highly Uranian.

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posted September 12, 2015 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the important stuff I see:

Sun/Mercury - double - trine
Venus/Mars - doble - conjunction
Sun/Venus - double - sextile
Moon/Mars - double - conjunction, trine
Venus-Pluto - double - square, trine

Moon trine Moon

3 grand trines

House overlays - his planets in my 5th, 7th. His Sun is definitely on my Dsc

Composite - no idea about houses but aspects remain and there's little to dislike there.
Sun conjuncts Venus and Mars conjuncts Venus.
Sun sextiles Moon but I don't know if -4separating orb makes it important.

Also, there's Mars squares Sun/Moon midpoint aspect. I think we should only look for squares, oppositions there (if I remember that correctly).

That's all I gathered. I wanted to know about the bad or even about the stuff that I maybe wrongly think is good.

Really appreciate your feedback! Thank you everyone

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posted September 12, 2015 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's really all moot until you cross that bridge though, yeah?

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posted September 12, 2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne, seems like you and him are very much alike and both are solid, with strong morals people. Also, very patient! I admire that

Now I am very impulsive with my Moon/Mars conjunction in Pisces in 5th house (although my Moon is in last degree of Aqua). Matters of love are not something I have patience in. He is emotional - Venus is Pisces, Moon in Scorpio. I don't know.. Should have let him get closer to me years ago, especially when he really wanted to and I kept him at a distance. Now what? (

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posted September 12, 2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LexusVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course he feels it you guys have a venus mars double whammy. I have it with someone too and I thought he was beautiful. Do it he could be unhappy in his marriage. I had it with a guy it was a rush just being next to him..

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posted September 12, 2015 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These matters are, indeed, sensitive. I would be open to and supportive of a friendship, Cap, should he offer it. Then, as I've suggested, should it be becoming clear that there is something more developing between you, be honest at the start and confirm your suspicions. Then, if he's honest with you in return, you have a slowly building storm that requires time and attention. So as to ensure everything isn't demolished in its path.

I'm intrigued by Lee's claims that it's all sexual attraction and no longevity, however. God knows you don't want to blow up his life -- he'd never forgive you. It's not like 'the movies', as they say, where the man is just so delighted to be with his 'true love' that he has no resentment over how it came about. And, sadly, such resentments can continue underneath for an indefinite period of time, wrecking what could have otherwise proved rather successful.

That's why everything must be treated with caution.

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posted September 12, 2015 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LexusVirgo, what a nasty advice.

CC, you can't find reasons for hitting on a married guy hoping he is unhappy in his marriage with astrology, you can only find those in your life philosophy and values.

As for the composite, it is the composite of just a potential fling precisely because it is so tight (and with Jupiter, and potentially Neptune, as a hole, of course).

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posted September 12, 2015 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby, IMO, the lack of longevity comes up in the composite, the unaspected planets in the synastry and the lack of significant Saturn too. Of course, we don't know where the red Moon is, it can be in Libra, for instance.

The man's type is on the other side, Sun (or Moon) Venus in Leo, Mars in Taurus or Scorpio, especially Scorpio, and a lady with Cardinal Moon (or Sun); but for the lady, for the blue, his Venus/Jupiter makes for a nice pattern completion and I assume this is where the attraction comes from, mostly

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posted September 12, 2015 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know you dislike working with asteroids, Cap, but I must say this whole shebang is bound to get you in touch with the Lilith role. And there's an asteroid for that. Calculated points, too!

In all severity, however, this may be the show; it may be sparks kicking up a whirlwind of 'might've been' and 'should we?' which, in the end, was just to challenge you both. That very well may be the karma that's outstanding. I find it suspect that you'd meet when he was too young, then encounter one another again when he's involved, and again when he's married. Time's never been on your side, it appears, and there may be reasons for that as well.

Nonetheless, it's awakening your inner Lilith, without a doubt. Best get to know her.

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