posted September 19, 2015 02:41 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, for me, too.

plus them being closely tied to the angles, and I do put a lot of importance on the IC. at least when they are to connect in some way in this incarnation.

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Great point, Ceri. Also, I was just thinking the importance of Saturn comes from it as Lord of Karma too, not just as the "reality" planet.

Connections showing a a past/present/future continuum (IC, SN, Draco), great point.

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posted September 19, 2015 02:45 PM              

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
In my opinion there's already too much soulmate asteroids.Too many possibilities,plus people use conjunctions and oppositions (even squares) as an indicator, then is super easy to find a least one pair.

To be honest i dont believe in sun-moon sun-venus as soulmate either.We can have that with so many people, even with killers (god help me to never find one)

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The point is to have many many many markers in there not just one or two. All of them, hypothetically (theoretical model). We don't necessarily have to give up ideal charts, there is always this strive for perfection; at the same time, real life charts, showing the long and laborious path to this perfection, are, of course, the juice of the whole thing.

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posted September 19, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Soulmate (and twinflame) pairings for me are Sun/Moon Venus/Mars Saturn to luminaries and love (+ chart) rulers in direct aspect but I get your point

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posted September 19, 2015 02:51 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great point, Ceri. Also, I was just thinking the importance of Saturn comes from it as Lord of Karma too, not just as the "reality" planet.

Connections showing a a past/present/future (IC, SN, Draco), great point.

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Saturn is also important as it is the "here and now" planet, plus its intricate function together with moon as acting as "brackets" to the personal sphere.

Moon is the closest to earth obviously, in fact it is a PART of earth, and Saturn is the furthest from earth, but reflecting Moon`s astronomy closely, in the lenght of time they take for one course through the zodiac (29 days vs 29 years).

The Moon-Saturn - combo is SO undervalued, but that does not diminish its importance (it is not always an easy one of course).

and from there Chiron is bridging the personal sphere (ended with Saturn) to the transpersonal sphere (beginning with Uranus). which is why I think Chiron WILL be a pivotal part of the equation, as he breaks up (and heals) the status quo, introducing trans-personal themes, or allowing for us to open up to those themes, even though the path might be a little thorny or uncomfortable, as it jolts us out of our comfort-zone so much.

And while i think Chiron will play a part, I do not think it is the Cinderella-bla-bla the Magis spread. There comes a challenge with it, but also a chance.

Also Chiron, having association with the "hand" has so much to do with infusing spiritual energy (transpersonal sphere) into our personal life THROUGH very tangible things, touch etc. and guiding the physical energy, linking body and spirit and maybe soul.

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BTW I was not stricly speaking about tf here.

posted September 19, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am probably the wrong person to discuss it with, as I sort have lost my interest in that tf-business a while ago (I am still interested in how people connect to each other of course). I cannot even say why, it just is not that important anymore.

I do also agree with you that sometimes we have to sit back and trust that we know all we need to know at any given time; at the same time this should not be an excuse to stop thinking ourselves though, there has to be a balance there.

As for black holes I probably would not check for anything other than tight conjunctions. what do you think?

It strikes me a little odd though that apparently all my personal planets are being cnojunct a Black hole. lol

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posted September 19, 2015 02:58 PM            

Not trying to prove anything i just found this a funny and scary thread! and makes me think! Hehe

posted September 19, 2015 02:59 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Saturn is also important as it is the "here and now" planet, plus its intricate function together with moon as acting as "brackets" to the personal sphere.

Moon is the closest to earth obviously, in fact it is a PART of earth, and Saturn is the furthest from earth, but reflecting Moon`s astronomy closely, in the lenght of time they take for one course through the zodiac (29 days vs 29 years).

The Moon-Saturn - combo is SO undervalued, but that does not diminish its importance (it is not always an easy one of course).

and from there Chiron is bridging the personal sphere (ended with Saturn) to the transpersonal sphere (beginning with Uranus). which is why I think Chiron WILL be a pivotal part of the equation, as he breaks up (and heals) the status quo, introducing trans-personal themes, or allowing for us to open up to those themes, even though the path might be a little thorny or uncomfortable, as it jolts us out of our comfort-zone so much.

And while i think Chiron will play a part, I do not think it is the Cinderella-bla-bla the Magis spread. There comes a challenge with it, but also a chance.

Also Chiron, having association with the "hand" has so much to do with infusing spiritual energy (transpersonal sphere) into our personal life THROUGH very tangible things, touch etc. and guiding the physical energy, linking body and spirit and maybe soul.

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BTW I was not stricly speaking about tf here.

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posted September 19, 2015 03:07 PM            

Now, regarding the 'biggies', however -- that's definitely as it should be. His MOON opposite my SUN (2º) with a contraparallel between them, and parallel my ASC. I feel like my father prepared me for that one: his ASC is 0º05 conjunct my MOON. So that's something which was more hidden, but declination aspects are so underrated and overlooked in many cases. They're all rooted in the deep past, being echoes of our karmic history.

It's a similar story with his MARS to my VENUS, being contraparallel and antiscia -- which creates such an extremely powerful relationship between the two. A resonance on a profound level. That was felt immediately by us both. I've got to say, I'd never met a man who never even believed in the concept of 'love at first sight', but fully asserts that's what he felt upon meeting me. Well, save for my parents. What they're marriage did to change the course of all religiously 'conflicted' marriages in our city was pretty incredible. I've heard that, due to the power held by the religious officials at that level, that it actually spread to other cities and states. I'm so proud of my mother for that -- and many things; being a phenomenal pioneer in the area of metaphysics since the early '70s -- but in the 'twin flame' sense, their marriage has made a big impact there, if only in their little corner of the world. Every little bit helps.

I love the resonance of his PSYCHE parallel my ASC, and my EROS parallel his, too -- then, obviously, the contraparallel of his EROS to my PSYCHE. I swear, I am always the EROS in my relationships. And with him, at long last, I get to 'be' PSYCHE. Love that.

Anyhow, I think what I'm saying is that we need to be less grabby about asteroids and more focussed upon the deep interplay of the dynamics at the planetary level -- as you've just said. And for us 'aliens', I'm not sure how much the 'Earthly' pairings really resonate.

Though, we do have SOOTIYO sextile SOOTIYO (0º03) and his SOOTIYO is parallel my SOOMANA; my SOOTIYO is also sextile his SOOMANA (0º30). We have them active natally, too: my SOOTIYO/SOOMANA=ASC (0º) and his SOOTIYO trine SOOMANA (0º).

It's not the conjunction, but, hey.

posted September 19, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Other ppl may come along and may be important but they are not part of the TF bond...at least not to me, in my situation. I think there are many like me, that don't want multiples...one is enough, lol!

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I'm confused by the 'multiple' thing. Granted, as you become more multidimensional, soulmate relationships will feel more 'twin flamey' -- or what's been labelled 'twin flamey' -- with paranormal experiences, supernatural connexion, time disturbances, psychic events, and so on. I've got plenty of soulmates -- and some karmic soulmates of grave importance. Some have mimicked significant events, or been deeply connected to, my twin flame. Yes. Absolutely. But they are clearly what they are -- even if that almost seems indistinguishable. It isn't until you expand the picture -- and truly broaden the scope -- that we begin to see how otherwise small, or self-limiting -- here to resolve a single purpose, or clear a specific debt -- these relationships truly are.

I know I've jotted down the many lifelines my twin and I have experienced together, but I've honestly lost track. It's over a dozen -- that much I know. Whereas I'm still only aware of one very critical lifeline -- potentially two -- with my karmic soulmate. The same two in which my companion soulmates and soul-family are involved.

posted September 19, 2015 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you! Me to!! Yes I've lost my interest in TF stuff also because it's become almost comical, so completely out there. I think beauty is in the simplicity and elegance, it's lost that.

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posted September 19, 2015 03:30 PM              

" but declination aspects are so underrated and overlooked in many cases."
I agree with you about them being underrated. However I do not think they are more rooted in the past than anything else in our chart. Why would they?

"It's a similar story with his MARS to my VENUS, being contraparallel and antiscia -- "
You know I love antiscia!

"then, obviously, the contraparallel of his EROS to my PSYCHE."
I swear, I am always the EROS in my relationships. And with him, at long last, I get to 'be' PSYCHE. Love that.

"Anyhow, I think what I'm saying is that we need to be less grabby about asteroids and more focussed upon the deep interplay of the dynamics at the planetary level "
I totally agree with that.

"-- as you've just said. And for us 'aliens', I'm not sure how much the 'Earthly' pairings really resonate."
Hmm, if the aliens are meant to have a relationship on earth, the earthly pairings will apply. question is only are we looking at the right pairings?

It`s almost a little bizarre to me, how I`ve always felt like an "alien" and not quite "here", and how meeting P, felt like I all at once was anchored in my own "bodily incarnation", like I realized I was part of the earth and was present in the Here and Now (something that has ALWAYS eluded me before), and while everyone else seems to strive to get away from that, it is what I consider one of the greatest gifts life has given me, a true blessing, that connection to earth.

as for your mentioning of SOOTYIO and SOOMANA: funnily enough we share a parallel as well, though oddly enough it seems always to be him contributing the feminine principle. lol

his Moon conjunct my Sun
his Venus on the antiscion of my Mars
his PSYCHE contraparallel my CUPIDO
his SOOMANA parallel my SOOTYO

well at least
his PRIAPUS conjunct my LILITH

posted September 19, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
For 5 years I have lived convinced twin flames existed and that I was having one. Now I think this concept is BS.

You can have soulmates, soul connections and karmic soulmates. But Twin Flames? Not. They are very rare.

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I don't believe in the whole concept of TF at all. I think there has to be more investigation with this subject a lot more, I want to see evidence, im definetely a TF skeptic, I have remembered all my past lives, am able to tap into demonic energies, angelic energies, I have also met my angels or people on the other side that have had incredible healing on me spiritually and recieved messages from them through channeling. But TF? I don't know im not quite sure I believe someone has to be VERY evolved in order to really know what and why is our purpose here in this dimension.

posted September 19, 2015 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I don't believe in the whole concept of TF at all. I think there has to be more investigation with this subject a lot more, I want to see evidence, im definetely a TF skeptic, I have remembered all my past lives, am able to tap into demonic energies, angelic energies, I have also met my angels or people on the other side that have had incredible healing on me spiritually and recieved messages from them through channeling. But TF? I don't know im not quite sure I believe someone has to be VERY evolved in order to really know what and why is our purpose here in this dimension.

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And, apparently, I'm here to shed some serious light on that subject. So ... wish me luck!

posted September 19, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

And, apparently, I'm here to shed some serious light on that subject. So ... wish me luck!

I'd hesitate to say you 'remember' (or have experienced in some form) all of your alternate lifelines. But your most significant ones -- the 'greatest hits' or 'highlights' -- yes.

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i apoligize aubyanne, i wrote an accidental error when mentioning "all"...obviously i don't remember all my past lives i don't know why i wrote that....anyways i remember the significant ones (you ARE correct) during meditation and in lucid dreaming and i have yet more to remember

posted September 19, 2015 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
i apoligize aubyanne, i wrote an accidental error when mentioning "all"...obviously i don't remember all my past lives i don't know why i wrote that....anyways i remember the significant ones (you ARE correct) during meditation and in lucid dreaming and i have yet more to remember

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posted September 19, 2015 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gabby,

care to elaborate on the couple you just mentioned?

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Norse mythology...
The gods and goddesses of Asatru: Njord and Nerthus

The name of this North German goddess, Nerthus (coming from a root meaning “under” – the same root that Modern English “north” is derived from), is precisely the same name as that of the Old Norse god Njördhr or Njord; only the gender and linguistic form are changed between the Proto-Germanic and the Old Norse. The same deity may have been known as a god or a goddess in different places; Nerthus/Njördhr may have been an hermaphrodite; or else the two, god and goddess, were (like Fro Ing and the Frowe) seen as a pair of twins and lovers.
In “Lokasenna,” Loki accuses Njördhr of having gotten Freyr and Freyja upon his own sister, and mentions also that the latter pair had committed incest; Njördhr's sister is never named, but it is easy to believe that the two were originally a male/female pair of identical twins.

posted September 19, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
@Aubyanne, I know you like 2432 Soomana and 2433 Sootiyo
Here's another one that me and the TF have conjunct
Twin couple-Nerthus 601/ Njord 4213

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Yeah, I'm really 'getting somewhere' with these. His SOOMANA with my EROS; my SOOTIYO with his PSYCHE. Plus, we've got a dual conjunctions of SIVA conjunct SOOTIYO -- that's interesting -- which means they're all sextile each other. My SOOTIYO conjunct his SIVA sextile my SIVA conjunct his SOOTIYO, as we have natal sextiles of SIVA and SOOTIYO which aspect each other's SIVA and SOOTIYO. It's an interesting locked pattern between those two energies. Tight, too.

That's intriguing, given the involvement of our mutual TISIPHONE-PARVATI conjunctions; his SUN is conjunct mine, with his on my CHIRON, part of the big karmic stellium and my skipped step.

So, this is rather revealing now, with the SIVA/SOOTIYO and the inclusion of PARVATI. He has a natal pattern of all four: SIVA trine PARVATI opposite SOOMANA trine SOOTIYO.

Meanwhile, my PARVATI is sextile SOOMANA, but too out of orb to hook directly into his pattern. It's my CHIRON (skipped step) that gets involved -- outside of his SUN 'illuminating' my PARVATI by a 1º conjunction.

And, of course, yet again, TISIPHONE is involved.

This is fascinating, and reminiscent of the ultimate 'lesson' in my series. Similar to Parvati's loving Shiva unconditionally, Riley too decides to love Fauste through his detachment, manipulations, and outright cruelty. And -- again, akin to Parvati -- she transforms into this powerful and enlightened being, rather than continuing to be subject to human machinations and corruption.

The PARVATI involvement is starting to make sense now.

Seeing what's up (if anything) with NERTHUS and NJORD now ...

Holy God. BULLSEYE!

They hook RIGHT in. In fact, my NERTHUS is a link between these two patterns! As she's just within orb between the two configurations! Wow! Check this out; there are so many connexions, I'm just going to list them in some conceivable order.

His NERTHUS trine my NJORD -- but, hey, 0º10! Never the girl.

His NJORD:

- conjunct SIVA (1º)
- trine PARVATI (0º)
- sextile SOOMANA (0º)
- sextile SOOTIYO (0º)

Wow!

My NJORD:

- sextile PARVATI (0º03)!
- trine SOOMANA (3º)

But the 'link' is my NERTHUS; NERTHUS/PARVATI=SUN (his)

The cross-aspects are noteworthy, too.

His NJORD is really close to being sextile my NERTHUS, but is just out of orb by 1º30. D'oh! 12º and 17º. But, interesting enough, it makes my NERTHUS 0º conjunct my TISIPHONE -- and his NJORD 0º trine his TISIPHONE. That can't be coincidence.

But check this out from his NJORD to my tropical natal's various pairings and karmic points:

NJORD conjunct SOOTIYO (0º)
NJORD conjunct ATROPOS (0º)
NJORD trine CHIRON (0º)
NJORD trine KAALI (0º)
NJORD quincunx OSIRIS (0º)

And his NERTHUS:

NERTHUS trine VENUS (1º)
NERTHUS trine PARVATI (0º)
NERTHUS trine NJORD (aforementioned) (0º)
NERTHUS trine ASC (3º)

And my NJORD:

NJORD conjunct NNODE (2º)
NJORD sextile SUN (1º)
NJORD sextile ISIS (3º)
NJORD quincunx ASC (2º)
NJORD quincunx JUPITER (0º)
NJORD sextile TISIPHONE (3º)

And my NERTHUS:

NERTHUS conjunct SUN (3º)
NERTHUS quincunx SATURN (1º)
NERTHUS sextile PSYCHE (0º)

As we can see, the natal configurations are quite strong, but the synastry definitely hooks significantly into them. And can't beat that 0º trine of NERTHUS and NJORD.

posted September 19, 2015 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Seeing what's up (if anything) with NERTHUS and NJORD now ...

Holy God. [b]BULLSEYE!

They hook RIGHT in. In fact, my NERTHUS is a link between these two patterns! As she's just within orb between the two configurations! Wow! Check this out; there are so many connexions, I'm just going to list them in some conceivable order.

As we can see, the natal configurations are quite strong, but the synastry definitely hooks significantly into them. And can't beat that 0º trine of NERTHUS and NJORD.

Thanks for sharing this one, Gabby! [/B]

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posted September 20, 2015 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Edit bc. I'm shy.. Hah

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posted September 20, 2015 07:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I agree wholeheartedly. But, reflecting upon my life thus far, it's made astonishing sense. I'm very rare -- we both are, to be frank. And I was bathed in a golden light within hours of my birth. Literally. My parents still get a kick out of that. 'Well, you're special,' my father's said, 'and not just to us.' I thought that was incredibly sweet. And THEY are amazing people.

Plus, I've been dreaming or otherwise 'hooked into' my twin ever since my early teens. I just thought there was NO way he could exist. Too many weird quirks and background experiences would have to be present, and that'd never happen. Yet, incredibly, it has.

So I've slowly come to accept it as -- ironically -- the most logical explanation.

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Hey Aubyanne,

Out of curiosity:

What is it that is rare about a person that is required for them to be part of a twin flame relationship?

What sets that individual apart from the masses?

See based on Plato's theory all souls were split, so that would lead me to believe that there is nothing rare about twin flames across time, but that during certain eras or time periods, some individuals may be more psychologically advanced than others, and therefore "ready" for a reunion. But taking all time into consideration, every soul should grow to that point and reunite - making us all of the same potential.

So, rarities are effectively relative to the time period, and not exclusively rare when considered out-with the limitations of the illusion of linear time - is this what you mean?