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Topic: Can you overcome Saturn square Mercury in synastry?
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ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 08:47 AM
  
I have this aspect in synastry with this guy and sometimes I feel belittled and intimated by him. Sometimes we argue and he'll tell me I'm not mentally stimulating. He sends me information to read and he gets upset with me when I don't read it. His Mercury sextile my Saturn and I really enjoy learning from him. I just don't know what to do about the arguing. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 20, 2015 09:57 AM
My girlfriend and her ex had this one before. It really depends on the rest of your synastry with him cause I believe we can have really challenging aspects and really great aspects to balance saturn square Mercury. If this is an on going issue and it makes you in the end feel utmost MISERABLE With him I do suggest running away from this aspect as it isn't worth it if you feel constantly drained from it.Anyways from my girlfriends experience with it they didn't really argue my girlfriend was (Mercury) but they did have A LOT OF COMMINCATION ISSUES LIKE ALOT. They couldn't really sit down and be calm and have a normal conversation like any couple would because my girlfriend told me she always felt so nervous and scared and hd to be on her tip toes with what she would say around her, they often didnt talk to each other and WOJLDNT talk about problems because ex was very passive aggressive and they would use sex to cover up there problems often PLUS they lived together for 4 years so......I don't know how my girlfriend lasted that long (probably cause of her venus in taurus and sun in the 7th house)plus they had really bad synastry they also had Mars square Mercury, Mars quincunxs venus, Mercury QUINCUNX mercury, Venus square venus, saturn square AND semi sextile Mars DW, saturn square NN, lots of chiron conjunctions and squares DW. Anyways you get the picture as it really depends on the whole rest of the synastry but to answer your question yes this aspect does create commincation very challenging with the square only in my opinion. ------------------
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ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 10:09 AM
These are some of the aspects we have in synastry. His Mercury sextile my Saturn orb 2° 51'
His Mercury sextile my Uranus orb 2° 54'
His Venus square my Saturn orb 3° 9'
His Mars trine my Mars orb 4° 19'
His Jupiter sextile my Neptune orb 2° 45'
His Uranus opposition my Sun orb 4° 46'
His Neptune opposition my Mars orb 3° 33'
His Neptune trine my Jupiter orb 4° 49'
His Pluto trine my Mars orb 4° 19'
His Mercury sextile my Ascendant orb 3° 19'
His Ascendant square my Venus orb 3° 28'
His Ascendant conjunct my Saturn orb 4° 39'
His Saturn square my Mercury orb 2° 33
His pluto opposite my Venus We also have Venus trine Neptune double whammy and Venus opposition Sun.
 I usually tell him how much he's helped me and it seems to make things a little easier. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces
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posted September 20, 2015 10:16 AM
I have that with my ex bf and is indeed a difficult aspect.We were always arguing over the smallest things 
Where is mercury in synastry?(overlay) I had mercury in my 11th once and was incredible!IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces
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posted September 20, 2015 10:25 AM
Aww mercury in 4th and 3th ,that should help!IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 10:25 AM
In our synastry his Mercury is in my 3rd house. He's always watching what I do on Facebook he told me I need to stop wasting my time posting nonsense.IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 10:38 AM
Does it really make a difference where the Mercury is in overlay? His Mercury sextile my Saturn doesn't really help does it? IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 20, 2015 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Does it really make a difference where the Mercury is in overlay? His Mercury sextile my Saturn doesn't really help does it?
i would love to say yes, but to be honest a sextile with what i noticed in the past is it only helps for a little while unless its parallel/contraparellel that could help so much and you'd have to depend more on the progressed synastry to the natals and transits in order for the sextile to really be strong. i've had sextile and they are truly nice especially when activated in progression and/or transit  but this is just from my experience dealing with sextiles from my past relationships and those that i wish i could have a deep connection with but honestly saturn is very binding we mustn't forget esepcially with a square, if the love is 100% there and your willing to understand that this aspect isn't easy I'm sure you will be fine as saturn will keep things interesting always for the both of you despite those arguments. ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 20, 2015 11:20 AM
I have the square, my Saturn his Mercury. Our relationship is on the rocks but I do think it's possible to overcome this aspect. I know a couple who have been together very happily for 30 years with this aspect. It requires a strong synastry and a lot of emotional compatibility. How is Mercury looking in the composite chart?IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 20, 2015 11:22 AM
With the couple I referenced above it's the only aspect from his Saturn, but their Mercurys are conjunct and his Venus is conjunct her Mercury--he has a lot of respect for her opinions although he does tend to dominate at times and it was a rocky road in the beginning, Saturn is able to mature his approach. It takes time--and true love...IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 12:06 PM
I hope that maybe some of the other aspect might help with the Saturn square Mercury aspect. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 12:48 PM
These are some of the aspects we have in our composite chart. Even with the squares I don't know why it's hard for me to walk away. Moon in 3rd house
Sun opposition Moon orb 2° 4'
Sun square Pluto orb 7° 24'
Sun opposition Mercury orb 4° 7'
Moon conjunct Mercury orb 2° 2'
Moon square Pluto orb 5° 19'
Mercury in 3rd house
Mercury square Pluto orb 3° 17'
Venus in 9th house
Venus square Jupiter orb 3° 5'
Venus opposition Neptune orb 0° 42'
Venus trine Pluto orb 0° 40'
Mars in 10th house
Mars sextile Saturn orb 4° 24'
Jupiter in 5th house
Jupiter opposition to Saturn orb 7° 47'
Jupiter trine Uranus orb 0° 5'
Jupiter square Neptune orb 3° 47'
Saturn in 12th house
Uranus in 2nd house
Neptune in 3rd house
Neptune sextile Pluto orb 0° 2'
Pluto in 12th house
Pluto conjunct AC I guess there has to be something that he likes about me. We've argued so many times I don't know why we always seem to talk again no matter how much we've argued. We met online but we have met in person. He and I aren't in a relationship but we have been intimate.
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I have the square, my Saturn his Mercury. Our relationship is on the rocks but I do think it's possible to overcome this aspect. I know a couple who have been together very happily for 30 years with this aspect. It requires a strong synastry and a lot of emotional compatibility. How is Mercury looking in the composite chart?
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angel4845
Knowflake Posts: 1609
From: los angeles, ca, USA
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posted September 20, 2015 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
These are some of the aspects we have in our composite chart. Even with the squares I don't know why it's hard for me to walk away. Moon in 3rd house
Sun opposition Moon orb 2° 4'
Sun square Pluto orb 7° 24'
Sun opposition Mercury orb 4° 7'
Moon conjunct Mercury orb 2° 2'
Moon square Pluto orb 5° 19'
Mercury in 3rd house
Mercury square Pluto orb 3° 17'
Venus in 9th house
Venus square Jupiter orb 3° 5'
Venus opposition Neptune orb 0° 42'
Venus trine Pluto orb 0° 40'
Mars in 10th house
Mars sextile Saturn orb 4° 24'
Jupiter in 5th house
Jupiter opposition to Saturn orb 7° 47'
Jupiter trine Uranus orb 0° 5'
Jupiter square Neptune orb 3° 47'
Saturn in 12th house
Uranus in 2nd house
Neptune in 3rd house
Neptune sextile Pluto orb 0° 2'
Pluto in 12th house
Pluto conjunct AC I guess there has to be something that he likes about me. We've argued so many times I don't know why we always seem to talk again no matter how much we've argued. We met online but we have met in person. He and I aren't in a relationship but we have been intimate.
You definetely have great aspects to overcome this aspect much better ones then my girlfriend and her ex had I do have to say. ------------------
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next to neptune
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posted September 20, 2015 01:17 PM
Of course, but it depends on many things... does one of you have this aspect in your natal chart? Is the aspect tighter than 4 degrees?
Do you have other aspect that kinds of evens this out? (you already said you also got the sextile)Is saturn a strong planet in your synastry/natal? If it is, you're probably more used to work hard with problems... A single aspect like this cannot ruin a whole relationship, but it can be the potential tipping point if other stuff points to it in the chart... My experience tells me that this is a really hard aspect, and you should take great care of criticising each other, or argue too much. Try to always solve any conflict so you end up being positive again. Do you have some nice jupiter aspects as well? Jupiter really helps lighten up saturn aspect! IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 20, 2015 01:35 PM
we have Jupiter trine pluto, his Jupiter sextile my Neptune, my Jupiter trine his neptune, Jupiter Trine North Node, Mecury trine North Node. I have Venus square Saturn and Venus square Uranus, Saturn conjunct Uranus and Mercury sextile Saturn in my natal. He has Venus sextile Saturn and Mercury opposition or square Saturn in his natal. quote:
Originally posted by next to neptune:
Of course, but it depends on many things... does one of you have this aspect in your natal chart? Is the aspect tighter than 4 degrees?
Do you have other aspect that kinds of evens this out? (you already said you also got the sextile)Is saturn a strong planet in your synastry/natal? If it is, you're probably more used to work hard with problems... A single aspect like this cannot ruin a whole relationship, but it can be the potential tipping point if other stuff points to it in the chart... My experience tells me that this is a really hard aspect, and you should take great care of criticising each other, or argue too much. Try to always solve any conflict so you end up being positive again. Do you have some nice jupiter aspects as well? Jupiter really helps lighten up saturn aspect!
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Selene
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posted September 20, 2015 04:39 PM
I have this with MrUranus. While he for sure likes to teach me, i actually enjoy being taught by him. We have argued once or twice and it was more like a heated discussion not a serious fight. On philosophical questions. I am Saturn, he's Mercury IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted September 21, 2015 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have this aspect in synastry with this guy and sometimes I feel belittled and intimated by him. Sometimes we argue and he'll tell me I'm not mentally stimulating. He sends me information to read and he gets upset with me when I don't read it. His Mercury sextile my Saturn and I really enjoy learning from him. I just don't know what to do about the arguing.
So according to him, it's always you who is in wrong, isn't it?I think he has an issue. Leave him. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted September 21, 2015 11:50 AM
We aren't in a relationship but we have been intimate. Yeah he says I don't talk about meaningful things but yet he won't leave me alone. quote:
Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
[b]I have this aspect in synastry with this guy and sometimes I feel belittled and intimated by him. Sometimes we argue and he'll tell me I'm not mentally stimulating. He sends me information to read and he gets upset with me when I don't read it. His Mercury sextile my Saturn and I really enjoy learning from him. I just don't know what to do about the arguing.
So according to him, it's always you who is in wrong, isn't it?I think he has an issue. Leave him. [/B][/QUOTE] IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted September 29, 2015 12:03 PM
I have this with one of my best friends... his Merc in Virgo/10th at 7 (conj my Saturn)
my Merc in Sag/6th at 7 (opp his Saturn) his Merc squ my Merc... it doesn't help my Merc rules my ASC... We have been close friends/dated off and on for 18 years and we still LOVE talking to each other... almost every day for a couple hours. You got to look to see what else connects to allow a positive outlets...
For example for him and I...
My Merc is in the 6th house and his Merc is in Virgo
We both have Merc squ Saturn in our natal charts
His Venus trines my Merc and my Venus sex his Merc... we LOVE to talk all the time to each other..
HIs Merc conj my IC (he actually listens and responds to my emotional non-sense in a nurturing way)
My Merc trine his Sun... I'm always fluffing his ego with my words which he loves since he is a Leo. Look for positive Merc connections to help bridge over the negative ones... make those stronger in your relationship so when the arguing comes you have already learned new says of communicating with the positive contacts which should help. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted September 29, 2015 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have this aspect in synastry with this guy and sometimes I feel belittled and intimated by him. Sometimes we argue and he'll tell me I'm not mentally stimulating. He sends me information to read and he gets upset with me when I don't read it. His Mercury sextile my Saturn and I really enjoy learning from him. I just don't know what to do about the arguing.
This might not have anything to do with with Merc... it's best to look at the whole chart b/c so many things can come into play with this... for example he could be going through a Pluto transit or prog or SA and instead of taking the high road he is choosing to emotional manipulate you to feel inferior.
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