posted September 17, 2015 10:30 PM            

My sister has Lilith (asteroid if I remember correctly) and that paired with her Venus square Mars aspect I think makes her appear VERY unapproachable. She becomes enraged when men objectify her (or me, or any woman for that matter). She is normally very reserved but when a man crosses the line she will NOT hesitate to say something. I really admire that about her.

I have moon conjunct BML and asteroid Lilith exact on the MC, and I can be unapproachable at times too. Not as confrontational, but intimidating. I've noticed a lot of nervous body language from people when in my presence (grabbing their stomach, clearing their throat a lot or not being able to talk very well until they get comfortable). I watch for it and am pleased by it because I know it means they are attracted to me😂 probably also a Lilith thing. I also hate being under the authority of a man and am disgusted by myself when I submit in any fashion.

Other than that I think you responded to a Lilith thread I created, I think Lilith can be a tease. For me personally it's not so much because I am trying to be an a**hole, it's more because I feel most men deserve rejection because if you let them close they will take advantage of you (sorry guys not trying to be sexist...I realize it still is, I'm just being honest about my fears). I feel like they should be able to handle it like I do and move on.

I think a prominent Lilith very much lends to feminism, also. It usually means a strong woman who hates to be controlled and will not take crap. If she does take crap, she will likely hate herself. I certainly hate myself when I think of the things I've tolerated in the past.

As for Lilith in a man's chart, I can't say. I imagine the effects would be quite different. I will look at some charts and get back to you if you'd like.

posted September 17, 2015 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
I think Lilith can definitely be intimidating.

My sister has Lilith (asteroid if I remember correctly) and that paired with her Venus square Mars aspect I think makes her appear VERY unapproachable. She becomes enraged when men objectify her (or me, or any woman for that matter). She is normally very reserved but when a man crosses the line she will NOT hesitate to say something. I really admire that about her.

I have moon conjunct BML and asteroid Lilith exact on the MC, and I can be unapproachable at times too. Not as confrontational, but intimidating. I've noticed a lot of nervous body language from people when in my presence (grabbing their stomach, clearing their throat a lot or not being able to talk very well until they get comfortable). I watch for it and am pleased by it because I know it means they are attracted to me😂 probably also a Lilith thing. I also hate being under the authority of a man and am disgusted by myself when I submit in any fashion.

Other than that I think you responded to a Lilith thread I created, I think Lilith can be a tease. For me personally it's not so much because I am trying to be an a**hole, it's more because I feel most men deserve rejection because if you let them close they will take advantage of you (sorry guys not trying to be sexist...I realize it still is, I'm just being honest about my fears). I feel like they should be able to handle it like I do and move on.

I think a prominent Lilith very much lends to feminism, also. It usually means a strong woman who hates to be controlled and will not take crap. If she does take crap, she will likely hate herself. I certainly hate myself when I think of the things I've tolerated in the past.

As for Lilith in a man's chart, I can't say. I imagine the effects would be quite different. I will look at some charts and get back to you if you'd like.

I know you weren't asking about personal Lilith placements. I only used myself and my sister because I know us both very well lol. I hope the information was still good.

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I have BOTH Mean and True Liliths exact on my MC. Mean Lilith 29 degrees Scorp. True Lilith 0 degrees Sag and my MC is 0 degrees Sag

Theres another Lilith on my ASC I just found out..

posted September 17, 2015 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I have BOTH Mean and True Liliths exact on my MC. Mean Lilith 29 degrees Scorp. True Lilith 0 degrees Sag and my MC is 0 degrees Sag

Theres another Lilith on my ASC I just found out..

Everything you said rings true when it comes to the "attracted yet intimidated" part..

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Interesting that this is the case. I've never heard Lilith described as intimidating before. But I've been told by several people they thought I hated them when they met me. One even went home and cried after we met, and I thought I was being perfectly pleasant...like wtf?

posted September 17, 2015 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Lol no, I approach women. But I'm used to women approaching me in general. A lot of my exes approached me, not all of them.

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NYCdodger have you ever had a romantic interaction or found a woman attractive with her VENUS conjunct your lilith? if so did you feel magnetically attractive towards her or was it both?

i have this with a friend my venus is right on his mean lilith and oscillating lilith and i feel such a strong magnetic attraction but i also feel repulsed like it feels uncomfortable and i don't know if he sense that too....

posted September 18, 2015 01:02 AM            

It is also sextile my Aquarian Moon and Midheaven.

I'm not sure how my Moon and Midheaven aspects play out, but the Venus? Whoa, it's a real ass burn for a lot of guys.

I'm a feminine woman who was raised in a sexist culture. I shunned all of that to the point where I don't bother dating men from my home country or men anything remotely like the men I grew up around.

I don't want to play mommy or wifey. I want things my way and I usually get them. I get bored of men very easily. I tend to end relationships. I go into them really optimistic with the intent to merge with another person. It's difficult. Most of my relationships have been karmic.

I use to get objectified and catcalled a lot. I would get so angry. That stopped after I matured. Now men say nice things to me. I prefer that.

posted September 18, 2015 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:

I think a prominent Lilith very much lends to feminism, also. It usually means a strong woman who hates to be controlled and will not take crap. If she does take crap, she will likely hate herself. I certainly hate myself when I think of the things I've tolerated in the past.

As for Lilith in a man's chart, I can't say. I imagine the effects would be quite different. I will look at some charts and get back to you if you'd like.

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Yes, feel free to take a look at some male charts and get back to me! Thank you for your feedback.

I actually think of someone like Christina Aguilera when it comes to Lilith and Women. I believe she has it on her ASC. She wears her sexuality on her sleeve. She's a very strong woman and she's all about female empowerment. Her Father abused and controlled her Mother...and Christina has said that many people strongly rejected her growing up for being herself.

Which is WHY she is so adamant in not backing down to anyone now - especially a Man. But she also has a son and she has sung about her ex-husband and how he showed her how beautiful love and surrender could be with the RIGHT MAN. That woman is complex! But I love Christina, she's one of my favorites.

posted September 18, 2015 02:25 PM            

The Right Man www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDfifpkH5CU

Stripped Intro 2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3-fAavWMM

posted September 18, 2015 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
NYCdodger have you ever had a romantic interaction or found a woman attractive with her VENUS conjunct your lilith? if so did you feel magnetically attractive towards her or was it both?

i have this with a friend my venus is right on his mean lilith and oscillating lilith and i feel such a strong magnetic attraction but i also feel repulsed like it feels uncomfortable and i don't know if he sense that too....

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posted September 18, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
I certainly hate myself when I think of the things I've tolerated in the past.

As for Lilith in a man's chart, I can't say. I imagine the effects would be quite different. I will look at some charts and get back to you if you'd like.

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Yup, this is definitely me.

My Lilith is prominent because it sits at the highest angle (my MC). I also have a 12th house stellium

I would say if Lilith is prominent it leads to having to face the restrictive forces in society and forging your own path.

Lilith is creative, raw, and revolutionary.

My Father's Sun conjuncts my Liliths (and MC) and he taught a lot about being my own person

posted September 18, 2015 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Good question. I don't recall any. I had Mars, Moon, Sun, and ASC aspects touching it once (all individually with different people)..

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Ahhhhh I see how did you feel when these women were aspecting it? Did they resemble the sign and whatever version the planet they have that was aspecting your lilith is in, in some way?

posted September 18, 2015 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Ahhhhh I see how did you feel when these women were aspecting it? Did they resemble the sign and whatever version the planet they have that was aspecting your lilith is in, in some way?

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posted September 18, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Yeah definitely an attraction. Plus it was touching my MC so it was felt in another way as well.

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How do you feel when the woman has her lilith aspecting one of your planets?? Leaving out saturn...sorry if I'm asking too many questions im just very interested and eager to know your experience.

posted September 18, 2015 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
How do you feel when the woman has her lilith aspecting one of your planets?? Leaving out saturn...sorry if I'm asking too many questions im just very interested and eager to know your experience.

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Its ok! Well I recall having a double whammy Moon conjunct Lilith with someone I used to talk to. She was engaged unfortunately. But when she was on a "break" with her fiancé (they were not together at the time) we met through a friend and spoke. Of course it didn't last long, but it felt kinda karmic.

Being that my Lilith is in Sag, I have experienced some Late Taurus and Gemini Moons. Gemini rules my 5th house so i love this position.

I attract Sag energy fairly easy. Especially with Mars in Sag. I think Mars is really interested in the MC person and Lilith adds a punch.

Cant really remember the rest, sorry

posted September 18, 2015 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:

I would say it adds a lot of in your face energy. You may feel like you can freely express yourself around that person without being judged or discriminated

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This makes sense.

I did some checking. And the last several men I've been really into (including the guy I mentioned earlier) had strong Lilith with me. And we definitely felt free to "be ourselves" around one another.

And I did love that.

posted September 19, 2015 12:26 AM            

What does it mean when it conjuncts another person's sun and DNA in synastry? It's my Lilith. His is unaspected in our synastry chart.

posted September 19, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Its ok! Well I recall having a double whammy Moon conjunct Lilith with someone I used to talk to. She was engaged unfortunately. But when she was on a "break" with her fiancé (they were not together at the time) we met through a friend and spoke. Of course it didn't last long, but it felt kinda karmic.

Being that my Lilith is in Sag, I have experienced some Late Taurus and Gemini Moons. Gemini rules my 5th house so i love this position.

I attract Sag energy fairly easy. Especially with Mars in Sag. I think Mars is really interested in the MC person and Lilith adds a punch.

Cant really remember the rest, sorry

I would say it adds a lot of in your face energy. You may feel like you can freely express yourself around that person without being judged or discriminated

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nice! this was great information!! i have noticed a raw sexual energy exchange in synastry as well especially if there are DW's in lilith, i feel the sexual energy is very intense with the DW especially when it contacts the personal planets and angles.

posted September 19, 2015 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Double Whammies are truly starting to get my attention!

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same here =P even if the both individual lilith's aspecting both charts simultaneously for example someone's lilith conjunct someone's venus and the other person's lilith opposite/conjunct that person's jupiter or/and pluto as well. its nice when lilith is not just one sided.

posted September 20, 2015 05:44 AM            

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So...what are your overall impressions with Lilith?

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Lilith is defensiveness, irritation, strong ego, control. Lilith is like a barb wired fence, hard to get to know and difficult to understand. Lilith creates uncomfortable conditions and feelings. Lilith is not warm and caring. She is like a snake, very aware of heat and body proximity but will strike out when she feels someone is impeding on her space.

Lilith relationships have a weird vibration, like seething energy -- love/hate, intensity.

Lilith complicates things, every planet she aspects in a chart just got more complex. Everything she touches in a chart goes deep and dark.

Lilith likes to break people, ideas, or things down. Lilith is a creator and destroyer of people, ideas or institutions. Literally or metaphorically, it doesn't matter. Lilith has a need to change things that appear superficial and unequal. Change is a impetus.

Lilith placement shows where we hold individual power or where people distrust us, but are drawn to us in equal ways.

Lilith is dominant, independent, ego bound. A large ego always gets in the way of truly knowing someone or something. Egos are like walls, they shut out bonding. Lilith bonding is more vampiric, more about seeking some deep ideal that can't be met. More like a hostage situation/parasitic. Stockholm Syndrome.

Lilith can be ruthless and one-sided, she does not really like men, she just uses men for her satisfaction and sense of worth (same as men, using women or situations for some hidden release or goal). Lilith is about self-worth, about what we view as worthwhile or what we deem too weak for. Lilith does not like weakness but she also doesn't like people stronger than her -- a paradox...

Lilith is where you don't compromise.

Lilith can be manipulative and charming. Her charms is her asset. Lilith can be intelligent and a strategist. Lilith can be very much in her head, intellectual, probing, always searching for people trying to hurt her. Lilith can't take emotional pain, she rather inflict it than the other way around. She can't deal with people turning against her or lying to her, shutting her out. Lilith is deep loneliness and not fitting in, rejection from women and/or men, situations and circumstance.

Lilith is not all about sex, there is something else there in the dark abyss. Lilith is about power and dominance. Sex for her is strictly power, not romantic love. Lilith does not know how to love romantically... Because she can never make herself vulnerable. She is immature in the ways of expressing her heart. When you love romantically, you are vulnerable. Lilith will not place herself in such a state until she dominates a relationship. Psychologically intense.

Lilith is fearless and fearful another paradox...

Lilith wants to be accepted, but will not ask for acceptance, she rather stay out in the cold. She has much pride.

In myth, Lilith had a problem with children. Children symbolize innocence, light and beauty, of newness and beginnings. Lilith has a problem with innocence, deep down she wants to keep this child-like part of herself, but she thinks this is weak and needs to be eradicated. I think Lilith can show where we hide the innocent and child-like part of ourselves based on the planet she aspects. The part of us that we think people will not understand or see as childish. Lilith is all about adult things, but deep down her inner child is damaged by rejection from divinity. She was cast out, a loner, drifter...

Having so many children, Lilith can show where we are fertile and gifted. Where talent comes easy.

The really good thing about Lilith is that she had strong convictions about injustice. To stand up for your beliefs even in opposition. I bet people who fight for their individuality and the right to just exist on their own terms have strong Lilith.

Lilith is modified by sign and house. But this is generally how I see her.

The 1st house is what you are aspiring to become, this house is like a new pair of clothes. The older you get the better you understand what you need and the house becomes a better fit. The 1st house is what others see, but it doesn't always mean your comfortable with your 1st house energies. Any planets in this house want expression, but sometimes we have a hard time giving these planets or sign expression. It depends on the Sun, Moon, and aspects on how well we deal with planets in the 1st house. 1st house planets want to look good for others, and have a hard time jeopardizing "appearances". 1st house planets want people to love them, but in the end, all 1st house planets must act genuine and drop "appearances" for the sake of fitting in. It is alright to be different than what people think you are. When you have 1st house planets you don't really own them completely, other people own them too, because this is what you are projecting to everyone in the world. The 1st house is like a demo reel. This is why 1st house planets can be sensitive to the native. These are the planets that can make some feel uneasy because they are out in the open 24/7. They are always on display.

Lilith doesn't like to be on display, she is deep and dark, Lilith doesn't do well in the 1st because she is so private. People with Lilith in 1st can have odd relationships, escapades, multiple marriages etc. relationships or a lack of them are public viewing. She does better in other houses where she can go as deep as she wants too. That's my opinion though.

posted September 20, 2015 08:44 AM            

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Lilith doesn't like to be on display, she is deep and dark, Lilith doesn't do well in the 1st because she is so private. People with Lilith in 1st can have odd relationships, escapades, multiple marriages etc. relationships or a lack of them are public viewing. She does better in other houses where she can go as deep as she wants too. That's my opinion though.

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posted September 20, 2015 10:30 AM            

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Lilith is defensiveness, irritation, strong ego, control. Lilith is like a barb wired fence, hard to get to know and difficult to understand. Lilith creates uncomfortable conditions and feelings. Lilith is not warm and caring. She is like a snake, very aware of heat and body proximity but will strike out when she feels someone is impeding on her space.

Lilith relationships have a weird vibration, like seething energy -- love/hate, intensity.

Lilith complicates things, every planet she aspects in a chart just got more complex. Everything she touches in a chart goes deep and dark.

Lilith likes to break people, ideas, or things down. Lilith is a creator and destroyer of people, ideas or institutions. Literally or metaphorically, it doesn't matter. Lilith has a need to change things that appear superficial and unequal. Change is a impetus.

Lilith placement shows where we hold individual power or where people distrust us, but are drawn to us in equal ways.

Lilith is dominant, independent, ego bound. A large ego always gets in the way of truly knowing someone or something. Egos are like walls, they shut out bonding. Lilith bonding is more vampiric, more about seeking some deep ideal that can't be met. More like a hostage situation/parasitic. Stockholm Syndrome.

Lilith can be ruthless and one-sided, she does not really like men, she just uses men for her satisfaction and sense of worth (same as men, using women or situations for some hidden release or goal). Lilith is about self-worth, about what we view as worthwhile or what we deem too weak for. Lilith does not like weakness but she also doesn't like people stronger than her -- a paradox...

Lilith is where you don't compromise.

Lilith can be manipulative and charming. Her charms is her asset. Lilith can be intelligent and a strategist. Lilith can be very much in her head, intellectual, probing, always searching for people trying to hurt her. Lilith can't take emotional pain, she rather inflict it than the other way around. She can't deal with people turning against her or lying to her, shutting her out. Lilith is deep loneliness and not fitting in, rejection from women and/or men, situations and circumstance.

Lilith is not all about sex, there is something else there in the dark abyss. Lilith is about power and dominance. Sex for her is strictly power, not romantic love. Lilith does not know how to love romantically... Because she can never make herself vulnerable. She is immature in the ways of expressing her heart. When you love romantically, you are vulnerable. Lilith will not place herself in such a state until she dominates a relationship. Psychologically intense.

Lilith is fearless and fearful another paradox...

Lilith wants to be accepted, but will not ask for acceptance, she rather stay out in the cold. She has much pride.

In myth, Lilith had a problem with children. Children symbolize innocence, light and beauty, of newness and beginnings. Lilith has a problem with innocence, deep down she wants to keep this child-like part of herself, but she thinks this is weak and needs to be eradicated. I think Lilith can show where we hide the innocent and child-like part of ourselves based on the planet she aspects. The part of us that we think people will not understand or see as childish. Lilith is all about adult things, but deep down her inner child is damaged by rejection from divinity. She was cast out, a loner, drifter...

Having so many children, Lilith can show where we are fertile and gifted. Where talent comes easy.

The really good thing about Lilith is that she had strong convictions about injustice. To stand up for your beliefs even in opposition. I bet people who fight for their individuality and the right to just exist on their own terms have strong Lilith.

Lilith is modified by sign and house. But this is generally how I see her.

The 1st house is what you are aspiring to become, this house is like a new pair of clothes. The older you get the better you understand what you need and the house becomes a better fit. The 1st house is what others see, but it doesn't always mean your comfortable with your 1st house energies. Any planets in this house want expression, but sometimes we have a hard time giving these planets or sign expression. It depends on the Sun, Moon, and aspects on how well we deal with planets in the 1st house. 1st house planets want to look good for others, and have a hard time jeopardizing "appearances". 1st house planets want people to love them, but in the end, all 1st house planets must act genuine and drop "appearances" for the sake of fitting in. It is alright to be different than what people think you are. When you have 1st house planets you don't really own them completely, other people own them too, because this is what you are projecting to everyone in the world. The 1st house is like a demo reel. This is why 1st house planets can be sensitive to the native. These are the planets that can make some feel uneasy because they are out in the open 24/7. They are always on display.

Lilith doesn't like to be on display, she is deep and dark, Lilith doesn't do well in the 1st because she is so private. People with Lilith in 1st can have odd relationships, escapades, multiple marriages etc. relationships or a lack of them are public viewing. She does better in other houses where she can go as deep as she wants too. That's my opinion though.

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This might be the most in depth description of the Lilith personality I've ever read. I loved it. Thank you. I find it to be very true. I want intimacy very much but never EVER at the expense of my pride. I'd rather be alone than be the one who needs the other more. Hence I am alone and will probably be for some time.

Thanks for a great read, I saved it.

posted September 20, 2015 03:59 PM            

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Moving this on over to Asteroid Astrology.

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posted September 20, 2015 05:00 PM            

So I definitely feel Lilith. I am very easy going and cheerful, but boy do I get ****** when things aren't right. With Jupiter in 8th, I work hard to be a good person. This is my life goal, and my career path has a lot to do with doing the right thing, caring and nurturing others, and seeking truth. Lilith conjunct this means I don't compromise. I may give in to a lot in others, but I never sacrifice integrity or honesty. And I hate injustice. I can't stand for it. It angers me and I work hard to right it. I have huge issues with respect and honesty. With Sun in the 8th, and true Lilith conjunct this, she is part of my core personality. I have an inner power and authority that I can call on when I need it. I don't feel it, she just is there for me. I think some times I take her strength for granted, because she is so integrated into who I am. As all of this is in Cancer, I am very caring and protective of others. I nurture others, and I am definitely a maternal figure. Always have been, regardless of age. This applies to people, animals, and nature... everything.

I also have Moon at 23 Capricorn, so directly opposing Sun, Jupiter, Eros and Lilith. At times my emotions betray me, and it infuriates me. I feel weak. At other times, I feel like I give too much away to others, and then am treated without reciprocation. And that brings out Lilith. I don't really retaliate, but I get mad and I draw lines in relationships. People who cross those lines don't usually get to come back.

She is also sextile my Mars in Virgo, 10th house. So she is becoming more and more apparent and helpful as I develop my career goals.