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hypatia238
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posted September 21, 2015 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Ganymed is the largest near earth asteroid and Eros is the second largest.

Ganymede is the young, beautiful boy that became one of Zeus' lovers. One source of the myth says that Zeus fell in love with Ganymede when he spotted him herding his flock on Mount Ida. Zeus then came down in the form of an eagle or sent an eagle to carry Ganymede to Mount Olympus where Ganymede became cupbearer to the gods. According to other accounts, Eos kidnapped Ganymede, to be her lover, at the same time she kidnapped Tithonus. Zeus then robbed Eos of Ganymede, in return granting Eos the wish that Tithonus be immortal. Unthinkingly, Eos forgot to ask that Tithonus remain youthful. Everyday, the faithful Eos watched over Tithonus, until one day she locked him in a room and left him to get old by himself.
Ganymede
When Ganymede's father, King Tros of Troy or Laomedon, found out about Ganymede's disappearance, he grieved so hard that Zeus sent Hermes on his behalf to give Tros or Laomedon two storm footed horses. In other accounts, Zeus gave Tros a golden vine and two swift horses that could run over water. Hermes was also ordered to assure the bereaved father that Ganymede was and would be immortal. Later, Heracles asked for the two beautiful horses in exchange for destroying the sea monster sent by Poseidon to besiege the city of Troy. Tros agreed and Heracles became the owner of the bribe sent by Zeus to Tros.
Upon hearing that Ganymede was to be cup bearer as well as Zeus' lover, the infinitely jealous Hera was outraged. Therefor Zeus set Ganymede's image among the stars as the constellation Aquarius, the water carrier. Aquarius was originally the Egyptian god over the Nile. The Egyptian god poured water not wine from a flagon.
All of Zeus' scandalous liaisons have allegorical meanings. Some sources say that Zeus' affair with Ganymede was a (religious) justification for homosexuality within the Greek culture, yet others state that this is merely a reflection of Greek life at that time. Before the popularity of the Zeus and Ganymede myth spread, however, the only toleration for sodomy was an external form of goddess worship. Cybele's male devotees tried to achieve unity with her by castrating themselves and dressing like women.
Apollodorus argued that this myth emphasized the victory of patriarchy over matriarchy. This showed that men did not need women to exist, therefor they did not need the attentions of women. The philosopher Plato used this myth to justify his sexual feelings towards male pupils.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/ganymede.html

Well I am very curious now about this asteroid bc it conjuncts my SUN by 1d. I am not a lesbian but I suppose maybe a little BI, I do sometimes feel attracted to women but I prefer men.
Ganymed-Sun-Horus-Edo-Moira Stellium.

Well the one girl I developed romantic feelings for her Sun-Mars-Amor stellium conjuncts my MOON and opposes my Apollo-Mercury. She has Venus conjunct GANYMED natally which conjuncts my AMOR!

She did say that she attracts chicks actually even though she claims to be straight but people kind of felt she might be in denial about being BI.

So maybe GANYMED makes you attractive to your own sex and or gives bi sexual inclinations or both.

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What do you guys think about this asteroid?? Lets discuss.

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posted September 21, 2015 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i would love to discuss this! Ganymede totally plays a role for sure in bisexually for women and men and homosexuality for gay men possibly lesbians not quite sure.

i personally also believe sappho plays a role as well when it comes to women who define themselves as 'fully' bisexual and/or lesbian. i've seen a lot of sappho in the charts of lesbians. i will be researching this and posting some charts possibily later.......

One of the aspects i have with my girlfriend now, her ganymede Retrograde conjunct my ganymede retrograde,sappho, and ascendant. my priapus conjunct her sappho and vesta and opposite her mars trine her lust/mercury.

her priapus opposite my jupiter,psyche,cupido square my venus conjunct/parallel amor and conjunct my nymphe.

your amor definitely conjunct her venus and ganymede is totally an attraction indicator

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posted September 21, 2015 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One client of mine who is bi has Pluto conjunct Chiron square Ganymed both by 1d.

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posted September 21, 2015 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by angel4845:
i would love to discuss this! Ganymede totally plays a role for sure in bisexually for women and men and homosexuality for gay men possibly lesbians not quite sure.

i personally also believe sappho plays a role as well when it comes to women who define themselves as 'fully' bisexual and/or lesbian. i've seen a lot of sappho in the charts of lesbians. i will be researching this and posting some charts possibily later.......

One of the aspects i have with my girlfriend now, her ganymede conjunct my ganymede,sappho, and ascendant. my priapus conjunct her sappho and vesta and opposite her mars trine her lust/mercury.

your amor definitely conjunct her venus and ganymede is totally an attraction indicator


Thanks . Loooking forward to all your contribution to this.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ganymede scorp@7
It's 2.5 degrees conjunct my Uranus, but that's it. I'm not much help.....and I'm definitely straight! Lol
So I'm looking forward to hearing other ppls replies....

My Sappho saggy@15 is on GA, exact trine my aries Jupiter.
It's on my saggy DNA 2-3 degree and my saggy Neptune 4 degree

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posted September 21, 2015 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ganymede scorp@7
It's 2.5 degrees conjunct my Uranus, but that's it. I'm not much help.....and I'm definitely straight! Lol
So I'm looking forward to hearing other ppls replies....

My Sappho is on GA, exact trine my aries Jupiter.


It would be cool to find other interpretations for this but all I have found so far is references to same sex love relationship and since is the largest near earth asteroid it would be nice to do more research on it. Perhaps 2.5 is too wide for a generational planet to asteroid aspect.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another person I know who is Bi has Ganymed opposite Uranus EXACT and square her Saturn by 1d. She also seems to have a GT between Ganymed/Chiron/Moon.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Another person I know who is Bi has Ganymed opposite Uranus EXACT and square her Saturn by 1d. She also seems to have a GT between Ganymed/Chiron/Moon.


I'm not around anyone who's bi, but I know some of my daughters friends are. When she gets home from her dad's this weekend i'll ask her of she knows their birthdays.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
Another person I know who is Bi has Ganymed opposite Uranus EXACT and square her Saturn by 1d. She also seems to have a GT between Ganymed/Chiron/Moon.


wow that's very interesting may i post some interesting connections in the natal's of my friend that is homosexual and all of my girlfriends who are 100% lesbian? if not i totally understand since we are talking about bisexuality.....i don't have any friends who are 100% bisexual unfortunately ;(

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posted September 21, 2015 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
wow that's very interesting may i post some interesting connections in the natal's of my friend that is homosexual and all of my girlfriends who are 100% lesbian? if not i totally understand since we are talking about bisexuality.....i don't have any friends who are 100% bisexual unfortunately ;(


Sure yes, I am more interested in ganymed which can also be about homesexuality so please do post. I suppose you can include sappho and apollo. Maybe include madhatter too while you are at it.

And include your own chart since you are Bi.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay this one guy that i met is bisexual but he prefers girls but he definitely is very androgynous i mean VERY.

jupiter at 5 leo R in his 2nd house
Spirit at 5 aqua in the 8th house
Hypnos at 7 aqua in the 9th house
Ganymed at 8 leo R in the 3rd house
Bacchus at 8 aqua in the 9th house


another clue is he has mars at 11 gemini in his 12th house which is his 11 ruler.

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posted September 21, 2015 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
Sure yes, I am more interested in ganymed which can also be about homesexuality so please do post. I suppose you can include sappho and apollo. Maybe include madhatter too while you are at it.

And include your own chart since you are Bi.


okay sure


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posted September 21, 2015 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not bi or gay but I'm attracted to men with somewhat fem qualities
My Sun/Mars/Pluto sextiles Sappho (2-4)
Sappho conjuncts Desc (3)
Ganymede conjuncts Vertex (0) & squares MC (1)

The guy that I've like for years. He's a military guy but he has a certain innocence about him. As far as I know he's not gay or bi either, but loves tomboys, and women with tattoos.
His Sun sextiles Ganymede (1)
his Neptune tribes Ganymede (0)
His Sappho squares NN (0)

Me & Him:
My Zeus opposites His Ganymede (0)
His Sappho sextiles My Sun/Mars/Pluto (0-2)
My Sappho sextiles His Sappho (1)
My Ganymede conjuncts his Name (0)

Interesting asteroids

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posted September 22, 2015 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well angel4845 like you said you have Ganymed-Sappho-AC stellium which probably explains it but in addition Madhatter sextiles Moon and both inconjunct Jupiter forming a YOD, its possible that is contributing too. Curious are you more tomboyish or more feminine? wondering since Ganymed conjuncts your AC but there is also sappho there so wondering how that plays out.

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posted September 22, 2015 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well angel4845 like you said you have Ganymed-Sappho-AC stellium which probably explains it but in addition Madhatter sextiles Moon and both inconjunct Jupiter forming a YOD, its possible that is contributing too. Curious are you more tomboyish or more feminine? wondering since Ganymed conjuncts your AC but there is also sappho there so wondering how that plays out.

I used to be a tomboy/girlie girl when i was a little girl but grew out of that, i played often with barbies though....and male video games....

as of today I'm more feminine but I'm not girlie (i can be most certainly), my voice sounds very feminine, my features are feminine, my personality is feminine, but i would say I'm a fem with a hard edge of aggressiveness. my voice is very high and i talk with my hands.

let's say it like this....when people meet me often then assume I'm straight including women who are lesbian and straight men often think I'm straight.

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posted September 22, 2015 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ganymede scorp@7
It's 2.5 degrees conjunct my Uranus, but that's it. I'm not much help.....and I'm definitely straight! Lol
So I'm looking forward to hearing other ppls replies....

My Sappho saggy@15 is on GA, exact trine my aries Jupiter.
It's on my saggy DNA 2-3 degree and my saggy Neptune 4 degree


I did find another interpretation actually:

SCIENCE

Asteroid 1036 Ganymed is an Amor (near Earth) asteroid discovered on October 23rd, 1924 by Walter Baade. She takes near four and a half years to orbit the Sun, spending around four to five months in a sign, orbit or retrograde dependent.

MYTHOLOGY

GanymedeIn Ancient Greek mythology, Ganymede was stated as being the most beautiful lad in Troy, so beautiful that Zeus turned himself into an eagle and stole the youth away to Olympus. Here, he replaced Hebe, much to Hera’s disgust and dislike, as cupbearer to the Gods.

Ganymede is also the brother Tithonus, the youthful love of the Goddess Eos, who was gifted with immortality, but not eternal youth. So fond of Ganymede was Zeus, that ultimately, he cast him into the heavens as the constellation Aquarius, where he remains to this day.

ASTROLOGY

To locate asteroid 1036 Ganymed in your natal chart, head over to serennu.com. Keep your aspects major:- conjunction, square, opposition, trine and your orbs tight, within 1-2 degrees. Ganymede, is also a Moon of Jupiter, so perhaps an extra consideration for your chart.

In your natal chart, Ganymed indicates an area of life where others are attracted to you, not as an individual, but because of a particular ‘aura’ that they desire. This isn’t envy related and they’re not interested in the entire package of you – they’re just drawn in and want you around them as some sort of trophy achievement. This can relate to appearance, intellect, social skills, social standing, fame – whatever – just something unique about you that they are intensely attracted to. So much so, they want you to become their ‘possession’.

Other considerations revolve around immaturity and youth, so there could well be a connection relating to children or teenagers. Ganymed’s father was distraught at his sons abduction, yet Hermes and Zeus consoled him with the reminder that his new role as cupbearer was of great privilige. So akin to the symbolism of Aquarius, Ganymed can symbolism detachment from the emotions and the intimate environment – forsaking closeness or personal desire, for the greater good of the collective.

One should also not ignore the linking to ‘cupbearing’ and include alcohol when considering the possible affects of natal Ganymed.

In transit, activated Ganymed indicates a time when your skills/appearance/persona is highly prized by another individual. Whilst it can be easy to be swept away by charm or flattery – keep in mind the hidden agenda that this asteroid brings. Also in transit, Ganymed indicates situations involving youth, immature others, or a heightened social calendar where you are entertaining, or being entertained.

Possible Keywords: possessiveness, feeling like someone’s prize, valued for one aspect of self, looks based attraction, sexual based attraction, intellectual based attraction, children, working with children, teenagers, working with teenagers, immature behaviour, alcohol – dislike/addiction, working in the food and drink industry, entertaining, socializing.

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posted September 22, 2015 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My GANYMED is conjunct LILITH (2º); his GANYMED is conjunct his MARS (0º) and opposite his MOON (0º).

He's quite effeminate. But, curiously enough, no one has ever presumed he was gay, or even remotely bisexual.

We're both completely heterosexual, without any leanings otherwise. I've occasionally wondered if I might have experienced some romantic (but not sexual) attraction to certain women I deeply admire, but I don't think so. I think it's merely affectionate. I've never desired a romantic relationship with a woman. I've only ever had romantic -- as well as sexual -- feelings for men.

I myself have definitely been considered androgynous in many ways, however. But also, like my twin, androgynous, but never considered homosexual. It's interesting.

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posted September 22, 2015 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh. I can definitely get behind 'intellectual based attraction'. But it seems like they're just covering all the bases: sexual based, and looks based.

So just attraction, then?

However, youth? I definitely see that. It's like we don't age. Heh.

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posted September 22, 2015 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of EOS (221), however, this is interesting.

His EOS is conjunct my Scorpio stellium -- especially my MOON (1º). But even more interesting, my EOS is conjunct his JUPITER (2º) and square his NODES (0º03).

It seems to be involved in a few things: age gaps, passionate 'trysts', and sexual relationships. Being the goddess of the dawn, it can also signify 'new beginnings' -- a 'new dawn'. That's interesting, too.

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posted September 22, 2015 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Huh. I can definitely get behind 'intellectual based attraction'. But it seems like they're just covering all the bases: sexual based, and looks based.

So just attraction, then?

However, youth? I definitely see that. It's like we don't age. Heh.


STEROID LILITH

CRESCENT MOON. 1181 on astro.com. The Maiden (Puberty & Virginity), Colour White.

ORBIT. She is the only solid representation of Lilith found in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Takes 4 years to orbit the Sun. Discovered in 1927. Diameter of 67km.

KEY WORDS. Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.

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If you have ganymed conjunct asteroid lilith and asteroid lilith is connected to asexuality I would think that the attraction would definitely be intellectual.

Actually come to think of it your asexuality makes you very unique and you draw people in bc of that type of uniqueness and people want to posses you for it bc of it and that is how perhaps Ganymed conjunct asteroid Lilith plays out out for you.

Now with your Twin it conjuncts his Mars exact so perhaps he is admired and wants to be possessed by others for his masculinity but the admiration for that makes it so people can't see the whole package. What do you think??


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posted September 22, 2015 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Huh. I can definitely get behind 'intellectual based attraction'. But it seems like they're just covering all the bases: sexual based, and looks based.

So just attraction, then?

However, youth? I definitely see that. It's like we don't age. Heh.


I have it conjunct my Sun by 1d and conjunct MC by 2d. I also have Adonis conjunct Saturn and DNA and I do age slowly, people often think I am a lot younger.


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posted September 22, 2015 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex has it conjunct his EROS and it fits bc that is why I valued him the most he was great at erotic love, I loved making love to him. With my husband it conjuncts his apollo and again it fits bc that is the reason why I value him the most; his creative, artistic and intellectual side. Both of these aspects explain so well how my husband and ex are totally different and each of their strengths which do take over a bit my perception of each.

I am having a real hard time understanding my own Ganymed aspect though...

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posted September 22, 2015 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, [b]asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.

If you have ganymed conjunct asteroid lilith and asteroid lilith is connected to asexuality I would think that the attraction would definitely be intellectual.
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I often forget this; his LILITH is 23° Libra, so it's a 1°30 conjunction, too. (Mine is also 1°30, being that it's 17°30 and 19°.) Wow. So while he's got it conjunct his MARS, 0°, it's 1°30 conjunct his LILITH as well. And, yes, we're both aces. That's really fascinating.

He's confessed that actresses of all walks flirt with him on set quite often, as well as at any industry parties he rarely attends. He was never interested because they lacked what he sought: intelligence, independence, and propriety. I'm sure they appreciate his 'too pretty not to be on TV' looks, as one friend puts it, as well as incredibly mellifluous bass voice with perfect diction. I can see the GANYMED, if it attributes youth, beauty, and a kind of elegance to one. He's got quite a lot of that.

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posted September 22, 2015 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might be that LILITH tightly aspecting GANYMED is a viable marker.

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posted September 22, 2015 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never looked my age. I don't wear cosmetics, and I keep my hair very natural. It's just how I roll.

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