posted September 29, 2015 02:40 AM              

As for everything else, first of all, what constitutes a "strong" 131313 or 111111, involvement? I think we would need to establish the parameters of that BEFORE going into the synastries/ composites, cause we pretty much will always find *something* if we look hard enough.

Secondly, everyone has their right on expressing their feelings and opinions, but noone has the "privilege" to the ultimate or only truth .
(because usually an insisting on that goes together with devaluating someone else`s opinion/ feelings if they do not agree, and that I find very destructive and damaging. That is MY feeling)

Thirdly, I never make any decisions or even take my feelings TOO seriously during lunar ecclipses, especially not total ones, and usually the ones in the fixed signs (in february mostly and november) are more prone to that, but this time it hit early. Well it hit my IC (womb), so I guess that is why.

The reason for that is that feelings and emotions get so heightened and dramatically out of proportions. At least that has been my personal experience and was easy to observe for the last 3 days here, too.

(it does not mean that something is NOT true, just that I prefer to reassess those feelings AFTER the ecclipse, to see what remains).

Fourthly,
it is hilarious for me to see that in the 131313 disc. chart Osiris conjuncts my own Venus-Isis-Osiris.

(I do remember the timeframe clearly, too, when it was discovered)

I think the Isis-Osiris-conj. in 111111 might be near my heliocentric Isis-osiris, but am not sure.

Fifthly,
I get the impression that us astrologer-folks or maybe just humans tend to jump to conclusions, based on our own individual perceptions or opinions or feelings (but then again what else could we base it on?), and then we will take anything we perceive and fit it into our ideas of what it should be indicative of.

Of course that is just MY perception of what happened around me (not only in this thread btw but generally).

Sixthly.
I`ve always found these asteroids rather arbitrary. But who knows? Maybe they have some relevance, in what way ever.

If I were to research it a little, and we all know I am going to. , my parameters would include

° close to exact orbs (talking about under 2° orbs)

° major Ptolemaic aspects to the luminaries, nodal axis, lunar apogee/ perigee and angles.

° with secondarity priority, to the outer planets including Chiron

(in a second step I would include the love asteroids, too, and Venus of course, plus the rulers of 5th and 7th house), but the first step would really check for the things hitting our most integral parts (which are the luminaries and angles, and I added the lunar nodes and lunar apogee/ perigee because of their relation to, well, the Moon-sun-Earth-interconnection).

posted September 29, 2015 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for everything else, first of all, what constitutes a "strong" 131313 or 111111, involvement? I think we would need to establish the parameters of that BEFORE going into the synastries/ composites, cause we pretty much will always find *something* if we look hard enough.

If I were to research it a little, and we all know I am going to. , my parameters would include

° close to exact orbs (talking about under 2° orbs)

° major Ptolemaic aspects to the luminaries, nodal axis, lunar apogee/ perigee and angles.

° with secondarity priority, to the outer planets including Chiron

(in a second step I would include the love asteroids, too, and Venus of course, plus the rulers of 5th and 7th house), but the first step would really check for the things hitting our most integral parts (which are the luminaries and angles, and I added the lunar nodes and lunar apogee/ perigee because of their relation to, well, the Moon-sun-Earth-interconnection).

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posted September 29, 2015 04:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
After a first scanning (I do not believe in "confirmed Tf`s", so I just picked long lasting relationships) I was more than mildly surprised

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posted September 29, 2015 07:21 AM              

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posted September 29, 2015 02:40 PM              

Edgar Cayce - Gladys Davis (he said she was his twinsoul)
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131313
conjunct CHALDAEA 1°27
conjunct Mercury 0°02
conjunct SUMERIA 3°24

all in Aquarius, actually 131313-Mercury on 14 Aquarius

all of it squaring
111111 on 15°47 Taurus

They are not the only one with Sumeria connected to one of these asteroids though

Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward
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131313 conjunct SUMERIA 2°42
111111 conjunct SUMERIA widish, too (3°44)

Sumeria is squeezed in between those too, oh and it is taking place in Taurus (10, 12, 16 Taurus)

Johnny Cash - June Carter
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111111 conjunct SUMERIA 1°28
(this time in Pisces 14-15 degrees)

it sextiles CHALDAEA (-Chiron) on - did you already guess it?

16 Taurus!

They also had an exact Mesopotamia-Babylon-conjunction on their Pisces-IC.
WEll it`s always nice to hear from home.

my parents
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on first glance nothing.

HOwver.

131313 conjunct Sun 1°10

and 131313 on the antiscion of SUMERIA (0°27) - Sumeria on 12 Capricorn, not in Taurus this time.

They seem to have 111111 on Algol, interestingly: 26°49 Taurus

my brother and his girlfriend
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Very close conjunction of 111111 and 131313 on 5 Aquarius in 11th house (0°13)

(btw I have found often some relation to Aquarius/ 11th house in regard to these asteroids)

Not a conjunction to Sumeria - it is 10 degrees away.
but also in Aquarius and of course Sumeria is once more in the mid fixed degrees (14 Aquarius)

Paul Mc Cartney - LInda Eastman-Mc Cartney
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111111 opposite MESOPOTAMIA 2°29
(from 6 Taurus- 4 Scorpio)

In fact they have a wide Grand cross of

111111 6 Taurus
Mesopotamia 4 Scorpio
131313 2 Aquarius
Ur 5 Leo

So once again 131313 in a fixed sign.

no conjunction to Sumeria, though Sumeria is also in Aquarius, it is 8 degrees off. Nevertheless I start suspecting Sumeria and 131313 might be walking "in step" like Horus/Echnaton or Spirit/Santorin(i).

Another couple who has 131313 almost conjunct Sumeria are Tom Hanks / Rita wilson
conjunct, or near conjunct by 5°16, end of Pisces, closish to where the Cash/Carter one happened.

well 131313 on 27 Pisces is in a Yod with
Mercury-Pluto 28-29 Leo
Mesopotamia-Neptune 26-28 Libra

Plus 111111 on 10 Virgo conjunct Sun on 10 Virgo conjunct Jupiter in 11 Virgo, in 11th house, - I almost said, naturally.

William randolph Hearst - marion Davies
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131313 conjunct Sumeria on 18 Pisces exact (0°10)
111111 conjunct Jupiter on 00 LIbra exact (0°06)

plus Saturn conjuunct Babylon on 28 Libra (0°22)

and a Mesopotamia-Venus-conjunction in Taurus - no, not just somewhere in Taurus, Mesopotamia is on 16 Taurus!

LOL how funny, this is the degree of my name asteorid.

Well just another randon note.

Tr 131313 is on 28 Scorpio today, conjunct my natal MESOPOTAMIA-VALENTINE from 26-27 Scorpio

Additionally Tr MESOPOTAMIA opposes my KARMA Exact

Tr 111111 on 15 Leo opposes my Moon and conj. my pr Moon and what don`t I know

Tr BABYLON conjuncts my ASC from the last degree of my 12th house, 6 Sagittarius.

Of course it does. lol

posted September 29, 2015 02:48 PM              

BTW at that time 131313 and Sumeria were about one sign off each other, so I guess they are not walking in step

posted September 29, 2015 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
on 27th august ADONIS Was conjunct INANNEN on 5 Virgo with Sun-Jupiter on 3 Virgo, Ur, that babylonian city on 6 Virgo

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This year was big. It had the VENUS-MARS conjunction with EROS-PSYCHE, then ISIS-OSIRIS, then ADONIS-INNANEN. The MADHATTER-ALICE has been nearing a conjunction throughout it. It'll be exact in 2017, on the 29° Pisces New Moon, on the Aries Point.

posted September 29, 2015 04:24 PM              

plus

Jupiter conjunct Juno on 15 Leo in may

and the year before

4th january 2014
Siva conjunct Parvati on 20 Scorpio

25th january 2014
Pluto conjunct Proserpina on 12 Cap
Pluto conjunct Persephone on 12 Cap

(isn`t it amaziung Proserpina and Persephone were both on the same degree along with Pluto? )

26th april 2015
Isis conjunct Osiris on 5 Leo

posted September 29, 2015 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
25th january 2014
Pluto conjunct Proserpina on 12 Cap
Pluto conjunct Persephone on 12 Cap

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Wow. A bit spooky, in fact. He was born when there was a PROSPERINA-PERSEPHONE conjunction, so that they're near. They opposed the year I was born.

They're quite active between us, too.

The fact it was January 2014, conjunct tPLUTO as it was coming off of the trine to my VENUS is immensely telling.

It's funny how I'd wondered if the three trines made by tPLUTO to my VENUS were the multiple opportunities I was being given to get with my twin. And then, when the last one passed, I felt as if I'd bungled the whole thing.

Reflecting back upon it, I can't help but notice the way they align with significant events with my boyfriend.

posted September 29, 2015 10:31 PM            

I dont know if I belief in TF to be honest but I do belief in soulmates big time! and I really like the discovery charts for both 111111 and 131313, I feel they both have very nice soulmate markers and when I compare them to the amor and valentine discovery charts I feel they are just as worthy or more but that could be just my impression so I plan to start a thread at some point this week so we can all compare and contrast a number of different discovery charts and pick a favorite for fun and also for good discussion. Amor discovery chart and 111111 discovery chart both have isis conjunct osiris out of the top of head.

I have a big affinity with Adonis/Innanen, Mesopotamia and Sumeria in my chart so it would make sense that I would have an affinity with 111111 based on what you have found so far. I will follow your lead and look into the connections you are making with 111111. I have noticed a connection with valentine and 111111 associated with romantic soulmates for me and maybe you can see if you notice that pattern popping up as well.

Also come to think of it I have horus conjunct sun exact squaring exact 111111 so it makes sense I have an affinity to 111111 also the Sun-Moon conjunct of 131313 is on my IC and the 131313 Northnode conjunct Horus is on my Draco SUN so that asteroid should be good for unlocking my higher self.

posted September 29, 2015 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
on 27th august ADONIS Was conjunct INANNEN on 5 Virgo with Sun-Jupiter on 3 Virgo, Ur, that babylonian city on 6 Virgo

BTW at that time 131313 and Sumeria were about one sign off each other, so I guess they are not walking in step

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
This year was big. It had the VENUS-MARS conjunction with EROS-PSYCHE, then ISIS-OSIRIS, then ADONIS-INNANEN. The MADHATTER-ALICE has been nearing a conjunction throughout it. It'll be exact in 2017, on the 29° Pisces New Moon, on the Aries Point.

That's gonna be BIG. And I can only hope I'll be surfing that wave deftly.

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Very interesting guys.

posted September 29, 2015 11:45 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
After a first scanning (I do not believe in "confirmed Tf`s", so I just picked long lasting relationships) I was more than mildly surprised

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wonder, if 131313 could also indicate the area of where people can accomplish something special, even reach some sort of mastery or excel there; it just seems so, by scanning the charts, that 131313 often falls into areas those people (or sometimes in the composite, relationships) became known for, usually by setting some sort of example.
Or maybe just areas that are a bit of a focus, not sure yet, but there seems something like that, like a theme, when checking 131313.

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Interesting observation about 131313, I have it conjunct CUPIDO in the first forming a Grand Trine with JUNO and PRIAPUS:

"Asteroid Cupido: In Greek myth, Cupid is the son of Venus; his job was to "wound" the unwary with his arrows of love; awaken a consuming affection directed towards a particular object of desire. In one well-known tale, Cupid becomes entangled with Psyche, a beautiful king's daughter who has roused the jealousy of Venus; the tale is actually an allegory about how the soul obtains a true understanding of love by undergoing much suffering and hard experience." -My Psyche conjuncts his Sun & his 131313 conjuncts my Alma, his Mars-Valentine conjuncts my 111111. Further we have a composite stellium 131313-Moon-111111 in the 5th; composite 131313 conjuncts his natal moon exact and composite 111111 conjuncts my natal moon exact.

I know you know the tale by heart but I pasted that part bc that last sentence combined with your interpretation of 131313 its why I am here, that has been my journey; my entire journey has focused on that since the very beginning when I was a child and yearned to experience a big love like no other that was unbreakable but was naive and had no idea what I was desiring, my soul was on a quest for it early on and it did find me. I had no idea how much suffering would be involved and how hard it will be naively but I can say TODAY that I have obtained a true understanding of love and love is not needing the other, not feeling like the other ever owes you anything, love is not chasing, not expecting, not demanding, it is setting the person free, its patient, forgiving with an open door policy, its not manipulative, it accepts and respects were the other is at, its understanding of all this and practices it.

posted September 30, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquarian Moon:
Interesting thread.

I have a really great synastry with the following person. Whatever his label is, I love him deeply.

I added the asteroids in our charts and found the following.

My 131313 is:
opposite his Moon
opposite his 111111
trine his 131313
trine his Amor
opposite his Valentine

My 111111 is:
conjunct his South Node

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Opposite his Valentine huh...do you have any of the two aspecting Valentine in composite by any chance? What is going on in the composite??

posted September 30, 2015 02:29 PM              

thanks for the appreciative words.

"I dont know if I belief in TF to be honest but I do belief in soulmates big time!"
Yes, me, too.

"I have a big affinity with Adonis/Innanen, Mesopotamia and Sumeria in my chart so it would make sense that I would have an affinity with 111111 based on what you have found so far.
Yes, though 131313 is right there up with it. Actually the disc.chart of 131313 has SUMERIA exact conjunct ISIS on 18 Sagittarius.

Interesting too how the 111111 chart is "feminine" (Sun in Scorpio) and the 131313 is masculine (Sun in Aries). in the 11 chart Moon is in a Venus sign, in the 13 chart in a Mars sign.

Oh btw the 11-chart has Sun conjunct ADONIS exact.

plus ISHTAR conjunct SUMERIA on the AP on 29 Sag and 00 Cap

the 13-chart has ADONIS parallel ISHTAR parallel BABYLON contraparallel 131313

In both disc.charts Adonis and Ishtar are in the same signs (Scorpio/Sagittarius) though not in direct aspect

" with valentine and 111111 associated with romantic soulmates for me and maybe you can see if you notice that pattern popping up as well."
I will check, but so far nothing popped out at me specifically.

Like you I have a very strong resonance to the Sumerian timeline. NOt jsut asteroidwise, but emotionally-spiritually, too.

I did however notice that I have a Grand Cross (though widely) involving the different emanations of the goddess (Inanna/Ishtar/Astarte) plus asteroid LIlith, who was a handmaiden of the goddess as told in sumerian myths.

ISHTAR 8°21 Pisces
HORUS 8°01 Pisces
CERES 9°38 Pisces
ZEUS 9°01 Pisces
Jupiter 11°12 Pisces

HEKATE 8°01 Virgo
LILITH 6°38 Virgo

SN 10°09 Gemini
ASTARTE 10°41 Gemini
INANNEN 12°06 Gemini
KAALI 12°47 Gemini

NN 10°09 Sag
Neptune 9°57 Sag

interlocking with the grand Trine of

HEKATE 8°01 Virgo
LILITh 6°38 Virgo

Venus 6°07 Cap
OSIRIS 7°50 Cap
ISIS 8°32 Cap

LUCIFER 6°50 Taurus
ACTOR 7°31 Taurus
Eros/Psyche-mp 7°31 Taurus
Part of Marriage 7°55 Taurus

Actually it is a Star of David including some of the feminine archetypes through various myths.

TARA 6 Cancer

LILITh 6 Virgo

ARIADNE 8 Scorpio

Venus 6 Cap
ISIS 8 Cap

ISHTAR 8 Pisces
CERES 9 Pisces

well no feminine archetype in Taurus though. lol

(interlocking the mythic lines of

Hindu - Tara
Sumerian - Lilith, Ishtar
Egyptian - Isis
Greek - Ariadne, Ceres)

posted September 30, 2015 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
... love is not needing the other, not feeling like the other ever owes you anything, love is not chasing, not expecting, not demanding, it is setting the person free, its patient, forgiving with an open door policy, its not manipulative, it accepts and respects were the other is at, its understanding of all this and practices it.

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That's my thought on it exactly, H. Exactly. It also seemed as if nobody was capable of 'being in it' with me, because they had this long-suffering limerent idea of love; slamming doors and pealing tires, and impassioned ultimata -- designed only to command fealty, to control the beloved. Yet, it always seems to be thought of as worth it, for fleeting moments of mutual orgasm, the times the heart races, or all vanishes in a deep sigh of gratitude.

In short, romantic love as experienced via the lens of the human condition. My husband measures love's depth and truth by the number of objects or epithets hurled in anger, times spent in sexual congress, and willingness to endure pain and suffering. My boyfriend does not measure love. I'm not sure that I do, either. Not anymore.

This has caused issues in my 'human' relationships. I often feel torn between what I should be doing, what I want to, and what I'm feeling. It becomes a jumble. I'm not sure what's right any more.

posted October 01, 2015 01:52 PM            

I was looking for some divine signs from the universe that our meeting was predestined, so i just plugged the date of our first meeting in the asteroid section, and was surprised by the result. Actually, I shouldn't be surprised since the synchronicity between us is outworldly.

Anyway, I plugged in 241013 - the fate brought us together for the first time on Oct 24, 2013 , but there were no initial signs that it would be a significant relationships one year later. We just Hello to each other and that was it.

Here is the synastry between me and him, with the date plugged in, it conjucts each other's North Node very tightly.

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And of course it resulted in an exact conjunction of the date to the North Node in the Composite. But what'ss interesting is the fact that on the day we first met, TR South Node was exactly on the Composite 102413 and North Node. As if, coming from the past to the present.
aww. Love synchronicities like that

Here is the Composite and the transit on that day--->

posted October 01, 2015 02:19 PM              

actually I had the idea to check my own fm date, too, but oyu beat me to it.

posted October 01, 2015 02:29 PM              

well I got a little overboard, but I also plugged in the asteroid for the date I probably am going to see him next, just on stage, just as part of a performance, so I was rather surprised at the result. lol

posted October 01, 2015 02:56 PM            

The date of his audition is rather intriguing: 18 FEB 10.

We have 180210 0º30 conjunct; on my CHIRON (1º) and his karmic stellium, at 18º Taurus.

That's illuminating.

posted October 01, 2015 11:59 PM            

(...)
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~ Well, now that I saw this, I think it's better to say 2-3 things about numbers than saying nothing.
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* ~ Copied and pasted from another thread*

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~ Have you guys ever tried a... sound horoscope?

( I was thinking about a way to describe or to make numeric vibrations much more... perceptible(?)... )

Well, if you haven't, here's a simple way you can do so.
• Go to Astro.com, then Go to Free Horoscopes.
• Then choose - Extened Chart Selection
• Where it says "Methods" - click on Special charts
• There's a special option that says : Personal Sound Horoscope

By doing this,
you can listen to the music notes generated by your current transits.

~ Numeric Vibrations are... kind of the same, to say the least. Positive/Harmonic Vibrations within numbers would produce a sweet sound.
Numbers that hold tension within them, would produce a sound similar to a poorly tuned guitar's.
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~ In Tarot, Astrology and numerology there's nothing fixed, nothing that can't be changed by one's will and determination to do good.
~ To learn, forgive and love.

OK,
here come the numbers.
I'm pretty sure all of them have positive and negative connotations, and just like in Tarot/Astrology, you need a very calm mind in order to read them. So you can't be affected by the very first negative connotation you get.

In another thread, I mentioned seveal negative connotations for number 7, it was for the sake of arithmancy only. It's a very practical method to get Y/N numeric values, among other things. So I'm leaving positive connotations here.

As a mere example, if you name a baby with these words, subject in question receives at a certain point, the same vibration. That's why our names matter that much.

+7 ~ positive connotations of number 7

Friend = 8+2+1+5+5+4 = 25 = 7
I Trust You = 1+4+2+6+3+4+1+7+6 = 34 = 25 = 7
You are my Friend = 1+7+6+1+2+5+4+1+8+2+1+5+5+4 = 52 = 25 = 7
Lovely = 3+7+6+5+3+1 = 25 = 7
Loved = 3+7+6+5+4 = 16 = 7

+5 ~ positive connotations of number 5

Happy = 5+1+8+8+1 = 23
Lover = 3+7+6+5+2 = 23
Bravest = 2+2+1+6+5+3+4 = 23 = 5
I decide my future = 1+4+5+3+1+4+5+4+1+8+6+4+6+2+5 = 59 = 14 = 5
Awesome Creature = 1+6+5+3+7+4+5+3+2+5+1+4+6+2+5 = 59 = 14 = 5
Virtually invincible = 6+1+2+4+6+1+3+3+1+1+5+6+1+5+3+1+2+3+5 = 59 = 14 = 5

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So,

• I don't understand why do you use in 'x' context something that was meant for 'y' context.
( And then subconciously try to create some kind of dogmatic belief about it )
• And to make it worse, selling it as if such topic was originally created by someone who had nothing better to do than spreading negativity.

• If your friend asks you for a 'Casablanca' Blu-ray, why do you change the cover disc and hand 'The Manchurian Candidate' instead?
• If someone asks for a Chocolate Cake Recipe, would you give ingredents for Lasagne? 1/2 onion, diced, about 3/4 cup Lol