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Topic: Does Venus/Sun Conjunction in Composite Trump Negative Aspects?
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Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted September 30, 2015 07:02 AM
Just curious about this in my recent researching (this Merc Rx has been aaaaallll about trying to understand relationships better for me - a big shift from my more recent career obsession ha). In my composite with current SO, we have an almost exact Sun/Venus conjunction in the 1st house of our composite. This seems to always be the glue for us. Our composite is otherwise a mixture of awesome and negative aspects - we have Neptune sitting on our composite AC (conjunct mercury, sun, venus, etc.) which has made me nervous, BUT, there's a lot of spiritual bond with us. Our 12th house is ruled by Jupiter which is positively aspected, but Uranus is in there, which has always made me a bit nervous. Mercury is in there too. None of these trickier aspects have been enough for the love to go away between us, so I've wondered for awhile if that Venus/ Sun conjunction can sometimes make all the difference in the long term? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 57754 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2015 12:43 PM
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Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 01, 2015 01:05 PM
Yeah I'm so curious about this energy in other peoples' experiences!Say, if you had a particularly volatile relationship that broke up because of that... did you still somehow love each other underneath that? To me I could see this being that kind of thing. You can dislike the person strongly enough not to be with them, but you can't stop loving them. "I love you but I don't like you very much" kinda thing. If it ever went badly otherwise. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 01, 2015 01:20 PM
Definitely not.The conjunction of SUN/VENUS in composite is far too common. I'd say, however, that VALENTINE prominently placed might. That's been seen as an incredible balm in many places. Alas, even it's not a 'cure-all'. But it might be closer to what you're seeking than VENUS. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 05:32 AM
Innnteresting - so Valentine prominently placed in composite ---- in conjunction with the Venus in composite??Obviously researching for my own personal reasons: with current man I have composite sun tightly conjunct Venus AND valentine in the 1st house. Under 3 degree orb of both. That soothing 'balm' feeling is definitely felt. Destinn also sits right near the conjunction in that same house.I've never been told to look at composite Valentine tho! How innnneresting..... IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 3060 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 11:42 AM
Nope. Sorry. There is no aspect to shelter you from the bad. You make a choice, each day, to follow the love or give in to the division. That's how people stay together: they both decide to, every day. Check out Soul Unions, I recently posted there about Romy Schneider and Alain Delon. They had, among others a Sun conjunct Venus double-whammy in synastry and also in the composite. Didn't save them. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 709 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dancing Maenad: Nope. Sorry. There is no aspect to shelter you from the bad. You make a choice, each day, to follow the love or give in to the division. That's how people stay together: they both decide to, every day. Check out Soul Unions, I recently posted there about Romy Schneider and Alain Delon. They had, among others a Sun conjunct Venus double-whammy in synastry and also in the composite. Didn't save them.
I agree with you, nothing really shelters us from the bad aspects--but in my experience, sometimes we give in to division because those bad aspects are telling us something very important, and we would be fools to force ourselves to continue against our better judgment... just sayin'. I know challenging aspects can be overcome and transformed to positive effect in many cases, but given that people really do act as permanent transits, staying with somebody with whom the aspects limit our potential and who would actually hurt us, intentionally or not, imo, is bad news. The reasons for breaking up are just as good as the reasons for stayimg together. Everyone has to want to make it work to make it work--I agree. But sometimes wanting to make it work coincides with KNOWING it isn't working for you.
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Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 05:19 PM
Well, true, my point definitely isn't that if something is bad for you and you should break up (or want to break up, for whatever reason is calling you), the Venus/Sun conjunction (or valentine conjunction) would SAVE that --My point was just... what aspect in composites do you happen to find being a sort of saving grace in those moments? Or that powerful BONDING effect. I seem to see a lot of 'sun/venus conj.' mentioned in that, but would love to hear what peoples' experiences have been... free will aside Obviously it may NOT save the relationships that are falling apart (as I mentioned already) but just curious about what aspects tend to bring about the most bonding. Curious IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted October 02, 2015 06:18 PM
It's a combination. If the natal energy is compatible with the composite energy, then one might tolerate the "bad." Say two people who are Uranian would tolerate more Uranian energy than others who do not.Then Jupiter might give a general expansive, jovial nature. Saturn makes two people feel responsible for each other. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 07:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Cappi112: Innnteresting - so Valentine prominently placed in composite ---- in conjunction with the Venus in composite??Obviously researching for my own personal reasons: with current man I have composite sun tightly conjunct Venus AND valentine in the 1st house. Under 3 degree orb of both. That soothing 'balm' feeling is definitely felt. Destinn also sits right near the conjunction in that same house.
I had that, too. Plus the MOON. Exactly as you're describing -- with DESTINN (and KARMA) but in Scorpio. And I'd really rather not get into it. But I'm intrigued that it's working for you, and I'm glad. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 07:38 PM
thanks auby...I'm curious -- do you mean that this aspect can be bad? I thought your earlier post re: valentine was implying these are generally positive influences. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 16355 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 08:17 PM
I think however Sun/Venus brings a lot of good intentions, and it can be a mitigating factor. But you shouldn't consider hard aspects bad (in case you did). Look at my composite with my ex here, no hard aspects no glory http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/001014.html Outers bring glory too My parents have Moon conj Neptune on MC. Neptune is needed in romance, it's a big plus; what you need with it is strong Saturn too (preferably some place else lol) as Ceri brilliantly said. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala New Profiles IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 08:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Cappi112: thanks auby...I'm curious -- do you mean that this aspect can be bad? I thought your earlier post re: valentine was implying these are generally positive influences.
Heh, and it generally has been, I'd say. One bad apple, as they say; I like to be objective. After all, my one composite hardly dictates all of the others out there. It was merely in our case that it wasn't so. Though, it might have to do with orb. VALENTINE conjunct MOON (1º) SUN conjunct VENUS (1º) VALENTINE conjunct SUN (3º) VALENTINE conjunct VENUS (3º) So, really, the orbs were quite wide; instead, it was VALENTINE/MOON that was so close. (And the SUN/VENUS.) My boyfriend and I have VALENTINE-JUNO-MERCURY, and SUN-VENUS-JUPITER. Interestingly, I had SUN conjunct JUPITER in the other composite, too. 1º. Astrologically-speaking, the black-and-white differences between these two composites in terms of the relationships they reflect, have been fascinating, to say the least. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 03, 2015 07:03 AM
Interesting... our moon is trining our planets but not conjunct valentine, sun, venus. I guess if I were to put a negative spin on this aspect, I would say what it has done is create a feeling of not being able to fully part from one another ever. But, I've enjoyed that feeling so far. In our natals - to -composite, his Venus conjuncts the composite AC and composite valentine. My natal venus and mars conjunct the composite Sun/Valentine/Venus conjunction (it's all very tight and close to the composite AC). Anyway, yeah, for now these have been the aspects I've felt positive about so I was curious about what others have experienced (other positive composite aspects that drew them close to the partner even if there were harder/ trickier aspects).
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 1945 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 03, 2015 07:05 AM
IQ said that HORUS helps cancel out greatly negative aspects.IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 03, 2015 12:38 PM
Oh wow Ive never researched HORUS before! IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 03, 2015 01:25 PM
HORUS on GC conjunct EROS and NEPTUNE. So ... I dunno. If it was really needed somewhere, that's where it was needed. Plus, in synastry, my HORUS is conjunct his KARMA (0º05), SATURN (1º30), SNODE (2º). If HORUS is going to 'clear' or neutralise 'the bad', I'd think it'd be a lock for being exactly conjunct his KARMA (5 minute conjunction) and less than 3º with his SNODE/SATURN. Alas, it was not. But then he (iQ) also said, of our composite: 'the superb first house destroys the past life delays or hurts done to one another in the quest for Transformation.' Which, clearly, someone didn't get the memo there. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 03, 2015 01:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Cappi112: Interesting... our moon is trining our planets but not conjunct valentine, sun, venus. I guess if I were to put a negative spin on this aspect, I would say what it has done is create a feeling of not being able to fully part from one another ever.
Now that I can relate to. I remember when he'd said he 'felt married' to me, and wasn't sure how he felt about it. Clearly, he wasn't too happy about it, due to the way things ended up. I think we could work together, several years into the future, though. He'd have to quit lashing out at me, and I'd have to stop getting so damned nervous that he's going to for the umpteenth time, that I don't even try anymore. But, in my defence, that's ALL he's done since 2013. It seems the only way we're truly 'nice' to each other is through 'snarky' Facebook comments (barbs) and just never directly communicating. : finger-twirl : I can't say that's a solution, exactly. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 2989 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted October 03, 2015 01:43 PM
I think the Sun-Venus conjunctions trumps it in the beginning.But after awhile, the rest comes showing, the good and the ugly IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 03, 2015 07:53 PM
Aw, sorry to hear about your past experience with this @auby! It seems like it was a roller coaster.Yeah, well I mean, this was a bit of a ridiculous question for me to pose because everyone's experience is going to be different. My composite won't play out the same way someone else's will - especially since we have learned a lot of it also has to include what our natals are missing or used to in terms of energy. What could be a deal breaker for one couple could be manageable for another... and so on, and so forth. In my experience, I've looked at this energy as being a saving grace after about 2 years with this guy; the positives, after a long time analyzing the negatives, really overwhelm the experience for the better. It doesn't mean I ignore the concerns but I have noticed that just the love energy in general is stronger and more real than what I've felt before - and so often I've read of the Sun/venus conjunction as being that, purely. I guess it's more what it's meant to each person individually - or what has been that thing for you?? I'm not really looking for ways this can play out negatively, because I don't want to borrow trouble at the moment... but I did wonder if anyone else out there has had this feeling with any particular "good" aspect in their current positive relationships. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 04, 2015 04:44 AM
It may have been the lack of a sexual relationship. Sometimes I think if we'd had that outlet, we wouldn't have been perpetually at war. It's amazing what that can sublimate or negate entirely.My boyfriend and I, on the other hand, have overcome some very powerful obstacles. My husband and I are extremely bound, too. It's just been rockier with more volatility in my marriage than it has in my relationship. They're very different. My husband is emotional, sexually passionate, and quite mercurial. My boyfriend is logical, asexual, and self-possessed. They joke that the three of us make one complete psychoanalytic personality, with no doubt who's the id and superego among them. I've got SUN and VENUS with both -- I think. I think with my husband it's SUN-SATURN-VENUS, in 12H. With my boyfriend, it's 10H SUN-VENUS-JUPITER. Hoh! Just noticed that. Oh, how interesting. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 04, 2015 05:47 AM
Wowza,@Auby, what transformative relationships!!! That's pretty incredible...I checked back at my synastry with previous relationships that were serious before my current guy - they lacked a lot of this energy, which is actually comforting to my capricorn brain ha. I have wondered why this one has had so much more of that intense LOVE energy. I certainly had some good binding aspects with the two previous relationships in my life, but honestly, almost no Sun-venus, def. not as much Jupiter, and not even a lot of Moon connections to give us the emotional weight we needed to weather the storms. And, go figure, we didn't. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne Moderator Posts: 5421 From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 04, 2015 06:04 AM
It's been a helluva journey for sure. Speaking of JUPITER ...I was noting that, my husband and I have JUPITER conjunct MOON, while my boyfriend and I have the JUPITER-SUN-VENUS stellium, and my ex have JUPITER-SUN-MOON-VENUS, etcetera in a large 1H stellium (aforementioned). I'd not quite realised the presence of JUPITER in each, or how it 'combined' certain separate composite energies: MOON-JUPITER and SUN-JUPITER. The other prevailing energy was SUN/VENUS, which is somewhat more common, I think, than the JUPITER presence. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 85 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 04, 2015 06:10 AM
@Auby, I have always related Jupiter in my brain as that expansive force -- so the more jupiter in the positive aspects, the more overwhelmingly 'positive' they maybe feel in the relationship?I also notice, with my current man, he always says that when he is with me he feels much much happier. His chart is filled with tense squares and oppositions, and a lack of Jupiter energy... so I've sometimes wondered if the Jupiter from my chart and our composite has touched him in that way. Sometimes he gets downright cheesy about life with me, and it always throws me off because he's otherwise kind of a dark serious dude. So maybe Jupiter is the saving grace??? IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 1945 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 04, 2015 06:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aubyanne: HORUS on GC conjunct EROS and NEPTUNE. So ... I dunno. If it was really needed somewhere, that's where it was needed. Plus, in synastry, my HORUS is conjunct his KARMA (0º05), SATURN (1º30), SNODE (2º). If HORUS is going to 'clear' or neutralise 'the bad', I'd think it'd be a lock for being exactly conjunct his KARMA (5 minute conjunction) and less than 3º with his SNODE/SATURN. Alas, it was not. But then he (iQ) also said, of our composite: 'the superb first house destroys the past life delays or hurts done to one another in the quest for Transformation.' Which, clearly, someone didn't get the memo there.
But the composite is a potential that may or may not actualize depending on whether the two people commit and get together long term and also your composite was soo compacted that it was a problem as it was established in one of your threads. I think he was referring to natals though when he said that anyways. That is a pretty cool aspect you have with him in synastry, very lovely! but if he is not open to your HORUS illuminating that stellium for him it can't be forced, astrology is about potential but if you block off the potential and the opportunity or energy it will not materialize and that is what he did, its his free will intervening. He gives me the impression that he wants to party and he is not connected to his higher self OR wants to be right now anyways. I guess we need to look at the HORUS discovery chart to confirm what he said and saw in the discovery chart to conclude that, he seems to look at the discovery charts; I could see how his opinion for VALENTINE for example was based on the discovery chart for it. IP: Logged | |