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Solar_Leo_Queen
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posted October 07, 2015 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are some house overlays or aspects in synastry that could indicate two people who can never be "just friends"? (Because of strong attraction to each other).

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Aubyanne
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posted October 07, 2015 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 5H/8H overlay, specifically. It's also tough when someone's placing points in the other's 8H; even more so if there's a connexion (say, rulership) to their 5H.

Whenever these two houses become linked -- especially through personal points -- the attraction can be powerful.

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posted October 08, 2015 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cappi112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm capable of being just friends with anyone I've been close to over time, even if he really hurt me.

BUT, with my current boyfriend, I tried to do the 'just friends' thing a few times and always just fell back in love in a heartbeat with him. Him to. We'll never just be friends, I believe.

Def strong 5/8H overlays. Moon on cusp of 8th and 7th. Venus, Jupiter and Mars conjunct IC (my chart being the Venus/Mars).

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posted October 08, 2015 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed.

I've experienced 5/8/7 both ways.
There was no way to avoid it. Actually, we knew that it was a bad idea (circumstances) and one day we literally kind of woke up and said, "we're in love. How the f**k did that happen?!?"

It was very difficult to back away from. (Months of effort on both our parts)

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posted October 08, 2015 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you can be friends with anyone.

My best male friend and I have mutual 5H/8H overlays, but I swear i only see him as a brother, and he does too. I can't even imagine being with him as with a man. Seems... unnatural. Like incest. LOL.

But we do have:

My Moon exactly conjunct his Venus (his 5H ruler) in his 8th, my Jupiter exactly conjunct his Juno in his 8th (all of this is also conjunct by 3 degrees)

His 8th house ruler Moon conjuncts my 5th house Cusp, and my Neptune (7H ruler), conjuncts my 5th house ruler Saturn, squares my Venus, and other aspects as well.


His Mars in my 8th house, which should in theory make me want him as hell, but i definitely don't. His Mars in this 8th house trines my Jupiter, which is in HIS 8th house, so again a connection here.

And his 5th house ruler Venus, as i said, conjuncts my Moon and my Jupiter in his 8th, sextiles my Venus and my Mars (8th house ruler) exactly, squares my Pluto, etc.


And by no means anyone of us is ugly. I can totally see why women are attracted to him, but i'm not. Who would be attracted to a brother?

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posted October 08, 2015 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In regards to 5th/8th house overlays or connections, can someone please clarify for me what that means? For example, my boyfriend's 5th and 8th house ruler is Mercury. Which exactly conjuncts my sun, moon, Mercury stellium in my 8th house. Is this similar to a 5th/8th house connection?

Also, would you say that conjunctions are most strongly felt as opposed to trines/sextiles? Or would trines/sextiles still be felt strongly?

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posted October 08, 2015 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think conjunctions are stronger but no always easy to handle.
In that sense having a trine or a sextile is a blessing.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True priapus and true lilith contacts also involving love planets or objects in composite, davison or synastry...

Or like an angle axis conjuncting nodes conjuncting vertex dynamic that also ties to true lilith/true priapus with love planets or objects involved. It can't be resisted.

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posted October 11, 2015 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
True priapus and true lilith contacts also involving love planets or objects in composite, davison or synastry...

Or like an angle axis conjuncting nodes conjuncting vertex dynamic that also ties to true lilith/true priapus with love planets or objects involved. It can't be resisted.


So true.

My boyfriend's MOON-BML is conjunct my PRIAPUS; my EROS is conjunct his PRIAPUS, my SUN-BML is conjunct his (true) PRIAPUS-MARS-LILITH. His mean PRIAPUS is in the same sign as my true BML, but out of orb.

It's a powerful configuration.

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posted October 11, 2015 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
True priapus and true lilith contacts also involving love planets or objects in composite, davison or synastry...

Or like an angle axis conjuncting nodes conjuncting vertex dynamic that also ties to true lilith/true priapus with love planets or objects involved. It can't be resisted.


Can you explain WHY Lilith and priapus contacts can't be just friends? I'd like to learn more

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posted October 12, 2015 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me and an ex partner have been struggling for a couple of years to be friends.

Was always wondering why it always went back to passion and sex in just a flash.
Then I realized that I have 3 planets and asteroids in her 5th house. These planets are from my 8/9th house. So, the 5/8H overlay shows the difficulty in becoming stable friends.

Also, her Venus is conjuct my BML/Anti-vertex.

My True lilith, Lust and Aphrodite are conjuct her NN, Priapus on her SN and BML

We often don't contact or meet eachother for long periods of time because of this.
Even though our synastry has mainly strong friendship aspects

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posted October 12, 2015 11:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
True priapus and true lilith contacts also involving love planets or objects in composite, davison or synastry...

Or like an angle axis conjuncting nodes conjuncting vertex dynamic that also ties to true lilith/true priapus with love planets or objects involved. It can't be resisted.


Then I guess I should just raise the white flag.

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posted October 12, 2015 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus-BML or Venus-Priapus can be really tough to resist, that kind of "forbidden fruit" scenario, for what reason ever. Or simply very very strong attraction that simply does not care about any rules or what society might think of it or even your own moral code.
Pluto-BML or Pluto-Priapus along with Eros-BML and Eros-Priapus of course belongs there, too, maybe it is even mroe physical.

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posted October 12, 2015 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto opposite Priapus
Eros conjunct bml
Bml conjunct north node
Composite bml conjunct moon in 1st
Priapus conjunct vertex Dw

Maybe not "just friends" lol

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posted February 19, 2021 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sinder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
The 5H/8H overlay, specifically. It's also tough when someone's placing points in the other's 8H; even more so if there's a connexion (say, rulership) to their 5H.

Whenever these two houses become linked -- especially through personal points -- the attraction can be powerful.


Not really someone’s moon Mars falls on my 8th and I have no attraction towards them what so ever.. but they are attracted to me and I am super annoyed

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posted February 19, 2021 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sinder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Selene:
I think you can be friends with anyone.

My best male friend and I have mutual 5H/8H overlays, but I swear i only see him as a brother, and he does too. I can't even imagine being with him as with a man. Seems... unnatural. Like incest. LOL.

But we do have:

My Moon exactly conjunct his Venus (his 5H ruler) in his 8th, my Jupiter exactly conjunct his Juno in his 8th (all of this is also conjunct by 3 degrees)

His 8th house ruler Moon conjuncts my 5th house Cusp, and my Neptune (7H ruler), conjuncts my 5th house ruler Saturn, squares my Venus, and other aspects as well.


His Mars in my 8th house, which should in theory make me want him as hell, but i definitely don't. His Mars in this 8th house trines my Jupiter, which is in HIS 8th house, so again a connection here.

And his 5th house ruler Venus, as i said, conjuncts my Moon and my Jupiter in his 8th, sextiles my Venus and my Mars (8th house ruler) exactly, squares my Pluto, etc.


And by no means anyone of us is ugly. I can totally see why women are attracted to him, but i'm not. Who would be attracted to a brother?


Yea I have the same issue..

Maybe it’s because of your natal chart?
What moon and Venus do you have? And what are their aspects and position?

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posted February 19, 2021 04:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not so sure that Selene's male friend feels quite the same from his end...

One Synastry book I have, indicates it is usually the Planet person who feels it more than the House person in the case of the 5th and 8th. (Which goes along with Sinder's recently stated experience).

He just may be practically dying with love and intense attraction for her, but because he senses it is not returned, he acts cool about it. After awhile of having to act and damp things down, maybe it does get damped down over time though.

I know a person where their Venus is in my 8th and is just barely opposed my Mars Jupiter conjunction, and also opposed my Saturn--ruler of Sun and Mercury, and faster moving co-ruler of my Venus and DESC. But, my Sun is in her 5th House, and conjunct her Neptune, ruler of her Venus and DESC. Then, the ruler of her Sun, 8th, and co-ruler of her Moon--Mars is almost exactly conjunct my ASC and opposed my Venus. Then, my Jupiter, ruler of my 5th and co-ruler of my 8th is almost exactly conjunct her ASC.

Can't speak for her, but I would have a very hard time being just friends with her (I would have to meditate deeply everyday and completely sublimate the sex drive/energy to the pineal and pituitary). I suspect if she was fully honest with herself and with me, that she would also have a hard time being in close proximity to me and just being friends. But alas, she is 6,000 miles away and is about as safe as can be from that.

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As to capturing a partner's Venus in your 8th House, this online interpretation is quite similar to the one found in the synastry book I have:

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Venus in 8th House Synastry Overlay
If your Venus is in your partner’s eighth house of a synastry overlay, you’re captivated by your partner. You feel completely subjugated and you give in to all of their impulses for pleasure. At the same time, you don’t try to run away. You’re enthralled at their requests, and you have a gut feeling that they can lead to you experience the deepest, darkest pleasure you could ever imagine. You find the house person very sexually attractive, and you willingly make yourself available to them.

Like a predator sensing weakness in its prey, the house person senses your inability to deny them any pleasure. They feel empowered by this, and they’ll have all kinds of wild, untamed fantasies of the two of you. They dream of doing things that they perhaps would never even consider in other relationships. You arouse the beast within the house person.

Venus in the partner’s 8th house is highly sexual, and even in relationships where sex is not an option, a sexual tension will be noticeable.

The sex in this relationship is not the “one-night stand” type. Rather, it’s emotionally deep, affecting both of you at a subconscious level. Since this is the 8th house, your involvement with each other will transform the both of you. The transformation process can be utterly painful, but it produces a new and improved “you.”


Sourced from: http://astrolibrary.org/syn/venus-houses-7/

If there is any truth to the above, along with other patterns and indications which point to similar, I suspect she was overwhelmed by her attraction, desire, etc to me, and having a lot of fear and need for control, she had to erect powerful, powerful walls and boundaries to keep me at bay.

After all, the Lass has Scorpio Moon conjunct Pluto conjunct IC, Sun in the 8th, and Venus Saturn conjunction in the 7th. A very intensely, intensely feeling person, but has been through a lot and feels an even more intense need to protect, and to not lose, herself in relation to another. Understandable from an ego and material standpoint. Doesn't quite hold up to one's twin soul and a destined connection/partnership though.

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posted February 20, 2021 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I experienced this: Venus in 8th House Synastry Overlay

But note that my Venus is in the 8th house of the person AND conjunct his Pluto.

Yeah...

We broke up but I wanted to reconnect a month ago. I wrote him saying that I would want to talk again, but just as friends. Max. friends. It was a good talk anyway because I saw that he did not have any bad feelings for me after the breakup like I thought he had and we forgave each other.

2 days later he kept insisting to be together like we should have been and he was texting me about this in detail from 2am to 7am inclusively. i did not like this and I blocked him again explaining that I cant afford to do this anymore although I can still feel the same.

i understand him. i am going to therapy right now because of this: i can't really accept living without this person and i ended up with depersonalization disorder. i would have felt alive just to be friends and nothing more (talk about astrology and deep subjects that i could not with anyone else)..., just the thought that we are in contact would make me feel alive again.
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posted February 20, 2021 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excerpts:

ZZ: Assumption, beyond life and death, Assumption to the end, above all, remember? ...

ZZ: Friendship. That's not Assumption. This "connection" can be parasitic.

ZZ: (either we are equal in energies, or better not try to access what you can not support to the end, it would not be fair to me on your part, you know that too well)

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posted February 20, 2021 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8th House Venus overlay - true

moreso if the 8H overlay goes both ways

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posted February 22, 2021 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when there is too much sexual attraction.
In my case: a Venus pluto conjunction, Lilith-Eros conjunction, several pluto and lith aspects both ways actually.
A mars venus, Mars sun and Venus sun opposition.
So yeah, I can't be friends with someone I'm lusting after.

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posted February 22, 2021 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a few samples but these could be my isolated
  synastry overlays. Others may not agree.

Two of them ~
Guy1   5/12th and  10th/5th  The energy unspoken is felt. Very Plutonian in a passion sense. Both people have urges towards one another. Certainly could be seen by others too (10th). As well the Scorpio/ Sagittarius  chemistry is often powerful. One way or another.

Guy2   12th/1st + 12/11th   just one away but this overlayis  that underlaying of "I know what you're thinking"  kinda energy. Both carry Sagittarius so that's a probability too.

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posted February 28, 2021 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SeaGoat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One example of a synastry aspect that has made it difficult to be friends with someone is my Pluto conjunct anothers Moon/Mars conjunction that is opposite their Saturn. Very dark and intense natal aspect for someone to have and it stirs things up when someone puts their Pluto right in the middle of it.

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posted March 06, 2021 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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