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CuriousV
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posted October 11, 2015 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met this man online and we hit it off from our first email to each other. Now, before you roll your eyes and say "another cyber love story" please read my explanation below. This is going to be very long, but please read it to understand why I am turning to you for help…

I've done online dating for years but I have NEVER felt this type of a connection before. I am not even afraid to say it and be ridiculed for it - but I feel like he is my soulmate. I don't know why, I can't explain it, I just do...Besides the online profile match score of 96% (which I also never had with anyone previously), the way we express our values, what we think on certain subjects, what we are looking for in a partner, and most importantly - the DEPTH of our discussions, it's as if we are ONE PERSON. It's so incredible, I can't even find words to describe.

We have written pages and pages of emails to each other and typically I would lose patience, because I like meeting a guy fairly soon. But with him, I didn't mind. I wanted to write him and open up about my feelings, emotions, opinions, needs and desires. He did the same. It was so effortless. In his first response to me he said that he felt very comfortable in wanting to open up to me and disarmed by my emails and it's not typical for him to feel like he wants to open up to someone (he is a Scorpio).

Then we exchanged numbers. He took several days to call me. When he left me a VM, he sounded very nervous, I could just sense it in his voice. When it was my turn to call him back, I felt like a freaking girl in high school. I was so nervous. I had to rehearse what I would tell him in case he wouldn't pick up. I could hear my own heartbeat. He didn't pick up and after I left him a VM, I hung up thinking - WOW, I don't remember EVER feeling this way. I usually have no problem calling men back.

He called the next day. I could just feel his nervousness oozing through the phone. He then confirmed my intuitive reading of him being nervous - he said you know when I called you first time, I was so incredibly nervous. I can't explain why...then he was trying to find words to continue and he stumbled on words, then said - you see I am sooo nervous talking to you. I told him that I felt exactly the same. It was so amazing to share with each other things like this without feeling embarrassed or being afraid to be vulnerable with one another. We just did and it was our first real conversation on the phone...All I could think on the back of my mind was WOW, this is unreal (I am typically not comfortable with sharing my feelings/emotions being a Cap moon).

But once we were 5 min into the conversation, I could feel he got more comfortable and our conversation was just flowing. We spoke for about 1.5 hours talking about so much, he was sharing his relationship story and a lot of other things, which again, most people don't do this quickly, not in the first phone conversation. I felt as comfortable sharing with him my stories. He asked me several times why I am single and don't have a boyfriend because he just can't believe that not only I am very beautiful but also intelligent, kind, deep, honest, emotionally intelligent and so forth. I asked him the same question because honestly I am still shocked that someone of his caliber can be single. So we established really quickly that we are in the same boat as to why we can't seem to find that one person that we want to be with forever. Again, it was like we were one person talking, incredible resonance in everything - every word, feelings, past hurts, previous relationship disappointments (we actually had the same bad thing done to us in the past relationship (and I thought only men are capable of that, apparently a woman did the same thing to him) which turned both him and I into skeptics and just kind wanting to give up on dating all together), dreams of future partner, hopes, EVERYTHING !!!

Here comes the PUNCH LINE...He told me - I want to tell you something and this is embarrassing to say but...He told me that in the last couple of weeks I have been the only woman that he has been emailing. He had other women contacting him but he just felt this strong connection with me and he was so looking forward to meeting me. I was floored because he is such a handsome guy and I was honestly flattered to hear that. THEN he told me something that made my heart drop. I think I could feel my heart shrinking in pain...

He said that a few days ago he had met this woman at a birthday party and that they just instantly clicked. He said that he doesn't even understand what's happening but he had such an amazing connection with her, it was almost like love at first site. He doesn't really know her but he feels like he cares so much about her. And he's been having a real hard time with this because he was so looking forward to meeting me in person and he felt like we had established such a strong connection. But now he feels like he would be unfair and disrespectful towards this other woman.

Before he told me all this, we talked about being focused on one person at a time and that we are both not serial daters and don't feel right about it. So now he is really struggling because if he meets me, that means that he is being dishonest to her, who he kept repeating he felt such strong connection with. But he said that he felt like he really needed to tell me this, because he also feels this really strong connection with me and he was so looking forward to seeing me and he just wanted to let me know how he feels about this situation because he can't be dishonest with me.

Again, before any of you jump into conclusion that maybe the guy is fool of **** and he is just married or his gf came back or whatever and now he is feeling a bit guilty and so he is feeding me this story. I have a really strong sense of intuition and I can say with 100% certainty, yes 100%, that I didn't sense that he was making all this stuff up. Again, no one would every write page long letters for days, then have an hour long conversation on the phone if they were some psychopath or player. what for? They would just vanish in to the thin air or continued to play the game...He didn't have to tell me all this, but he did, because again, I can sense that he is just like me, he is a mirror of me and his values are on the same level as mine. As a matter of fact, I would probably do the same thing if I were faced with the same situation.

Now, after this very long story, comes the question. Do I just let it be? Do I just let him walk away should he decide that it's best for us not to meet because he doesn't want to disrespect this other woman?

He asked me if it would be OK that he thinks on it for a bit, not a month, but like a few days. Because he is very confused and doesn't understand why this is happening to him and why he had to meet 2 amazing women almost simultaneously and feel this strong connection with both, and the funny part that he wasn't event looking. He met her at a birthday party which he wasn't even supposed to be at but went anyway.

Yes, he met me before he met her and we developed this amazing soulmate like connection, but the difference is - he never met me in person and he did her and that is what plays against me. How can I compete with that??? No amount of emails in the world can substitute for a real face to face meeting of two people. BUT my heart was hurting so bad when he was telling me all this. I wanted to cry, but obviously wasn't going to. I told him that it's OK. He has to do what is right for him. If he feels that he would be a horrible person by meeting me while he has such an amazing time with her already, then he should not do it. I told him that I understand that it's hard and only he can decide what is right for him to do in this situation.

But of course deep inside, all I wanted to do was shout - please let's meet...once...please give us a chance, let's meet and see if what we are feeling between us is real. I actually told him this in indirect kind of way, but again at the end I told him that it's his decision. I am not going to stand in the way of him and this other woman because maybe she is his future wife, who knows. He said that now that he is seeing how I am reacting to this and that I am so understanding and nice, this is even more difficult for him because he can just see that I am a wonderful person and he feels so torn…

He said several times that he just doesn't know what to do and would like to think on it and would call me and let me know. He asked me what my schedule was this upcoming week, just in case if he decides that he still wants to see me in person to see if we may indeed have this incredible soulmate like connection once we see each other face to face. We left it at that.

When we hung up, I cried...I NEVER, I mean NEVER felt anything like this. I kept asking the Universe why in the world I had to meet this wonderful man and establish this amazing connection between us and then feel like he is my soulmate and then us wait with such excitement for us to talk on the phone and to finally meet, so that he would meet someone else and that chance of us meeting and possibly having an amazing relationship would be taken away from me just like that? Why??? Is this some sort of a karma that life is throwing at me (us)?!?

So, I am asking you to look at our charts. Do you see anything that would indicate the reasons why I am feeling the way I am feeling, as well as he is. He told me that I was the only person in over 2 years (since his bad relationship experience) that he felt like he really wanted to get to know, like truly, on the deeper level. Are there any aspects that created this soulmate like connections for both of us? Also, are there any aspects that indicate that we would never be?

Again, I am sorry for such a long post but I had to tell you as much details as possible so you could see why I am so frustrated and desperate for your help with reading our charts.

THANK YOU A MILLION!

PS I have a lot of other men writing and wanting to date me, so this is not a desperate type of "Oh my God, finally someone is interested in me and he is the one" reaction to this situation, lol But none of those men have made such an emotional impact on me. In fact, I will repeat, I have NEVER in my entire 10+ years of online dating experience felt this type of connection with any man….


I am on the inside of the wheel, he is on the outside.


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posted October 11, 2015 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooof. His Neptune exactly conjunct your Venus. His moon exactly conjunct your ASC. His emotional expression resonates to the very foundation of yourself as a person, and your style of love is something you project onto his canvas and the painting appears in seemingly crystal perfect clarity and vivaciousness in your minds eye.

Aye, the second I saw his Moon I thought "leave it to a lunar Libran dude to seemingly 'give it his all' only to choose another person at the end of the day" - my lunar Libran had a Taurus sun, though. Not too far off.

As a double earth (a Cap moon at that!) I completely believe you when you say the depth of emotion you experienced was unprecedented. His philosophies and political stances probably made a lot of rational sense to you, and you found this refreshing as most people are just so blatantly full of sh*t... Caps do love a wordy, thoughtful person.

You guys have NN/Saturn double whammies... wow, is all I can say. Karmic lessons absolutely learned. Now you know to meet immediately as all other forms of vulnerability are made null and void until then, you know? I'm sorry you're going through this right now. Sounds awful, but at least he was able to be transparent near the end.

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posted October 11, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Oooof. His Neptune exactly conjunct your Venus. His moon exactly conjunct your ASC. His emotional expression resonates to the very foundation of yourself as a person, and your style of love is something you project onto his canvas and the painting appears in seemingly crystal perfect clarity and vivaciousness in your minds eye.

Aye, the second I saw his Moon I thought "leave it to a lunar Libran dude to seemingly 'give it his all' only to choose another person at the end of the day" - my lunar Libran had a Taurus sun, though. Not too far off.

As a double earth (a Cap moon at that!) I completely believe you when you say the depth of emotion you experienced was unprecedented. His philosophies and political stances probably made a lot of rational sense to you, and you found this refreshing as most people are just so blatantly full of sh*t... Caps do love a wordy, thoughtful person.

You guys have NN/Saturn double whammies... wow, is all I can say. Karmic lessons absolutely learned. Now you know to meet immediately as all other forms of vulnerability are made null and void until then, you know? I'm sorry you're going through this right now. Sounds awful, but at least he was able to be transparent near the end.


Thank you, Athenaia, for your kind words and explanation. Are you saying that because of his Neptune conjuncting my Venus and his Moon on my ASC this is what is causing me to feel like he is my soulmate?

Also, what do you mean by give it to the Libran Moon...? You mean, he was saying all that but didn't really mean it? Like as in Libra Moons have a tendency to be "fickle" or "fleeting" with their feelings/efforts?

And by Saturn/NN double whammy - do you mean it's our karma to meet but not be together? Is this why this is happening that we have this strong connection but he is unavailable to be with me because of this other woman stepping into his life? Or by karmic lessons learned you mean we have finally learned what we needed to learn through our previous relationships and now it's our time to meet and be together? But then why did this woman need to enter his life?

Do I just give up and let him choose her?!? I want to cry just thinking about a possibility of that

Thank you again!

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posted October 11, 2015 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For starters, can you clarify what you mean by 'your soulmate' ?

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posted October 11, 2015 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give it time, think how often you meet someone and month later realize they are not who you thought her were....this might happen to him.

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posted October 11, 2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have met two of my soul mates online, my husband and an ex lover and friend, in this technological age when technology is exponentially expanding yeah you are bound to meet occasionally someone important to your soul evolution online.

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posted October 11, 2015 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frankly, I can't believe a man would claim to have such a strong connexion to a woman, only to draw near to meeting, suddenly meet another woman, and decide to give her precedence.

In the words of the late Amy Winehouse, 'what kind of f*ckery is this?'

I'm sorry, but he can't have been taking you that seriously. Who meets someone at a party, suddenly feels 'oh, it's fate' and completely disregards the person he was so gung-ho over? That doesn't jibe.

But then, look at all that VENUS/NEPTUNE conjunct NEPTUNE in your synastry. No wonder. Even worse for you, with VENUS being your chart ruler. I'd be wary. Sounds like you've been hit by a strong dose of illusion. You won't know what's what until the smoke clears.

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posted October 11, 2015 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Thank you, Athenaia, for your kind words and explanation. Are you saying that because of his Neptune conjuncting my Venus and his Moon on my ASC this is what is causing me to feel like he is my soulmate?

Also, what do you mean by give it to the Libran Moon...? You mean, he was saying all that but didn't really mean it? Like as in Libra Moons have a tendency to be "fickle" or "fleeting" with their feelings/efforts?

And by Saturn/NN double whammy - do you mean it's our karma to meet but not be together? Is this why this is happening that we have this strong connection but he is unavailable to be with me because of this other woman stepping into his life? Or by karmic lessons learned you mean we have finally learned what we needed to learn through our previous relationships and now it's our time to meet and be together? But then why did this woman need to enter his life?

Do I just give up and let him choose her?!? I want to cry just thinking about a possibility of that

Thank you again!


Neptune with a zero degree orb conjunct any personal planet in synastry is the ultimate butterfly elicitor, absolutely. If either of you were terribly Neptunian, the energies could be dealt with better, but a classical signifier of Neptune in synastry is often "disillusion/disappointment", which you experienced (as many astrologers would classically predict) unexpectedly once he backed out.

Libra in men.. oh I am so biased when it comes to this. I've had everything from Libran Suns, Lunar Librans, Libran Mars all opposite my Venus sitting pretty in my 1st house. Deeply, deeply alluring sign for me but they all do the same thing - go back and forth on their decisions. It's the symbolic tipping of the scales, especially in men. It absolutely does lend to a fickleness - a "fakeness", though? It's hard to say! With a Scorpio Moon, maybe not so much. But does it lend to a cultivation of beautiful words that could have an undertone of insincerity in order to simply go with the flow of conversation? Perhaps. This is doubly so with his Moon on your angle - the rushing flow of emotions. Stunningly so because no one can quite articulate sentiment from a rational standpoint quite like an air Moon. Cap moons love this at first. Thank God it wasn't on your IC, though. A Scorpio male with a Libran Mars had his Sag Moon/Venus on my IC once and it took me a good 6 years to get over that one.

NN/Saturn can manifest in a million different ways. There are couples that are together (for better or for worse) because this can sometimes act as the ultimate "glue" in karmic synastry. Or it could be because a lesson needed to be taught to both of you - Saturn is the great taskmaster/teacher, afterall. Let's also bear in mind transiting Pluto is probably conjunct your Moon throughout all of this... double the karma for you. Maybe you needed to be feeling all of this to the point of an existential crisis - maybe this sort of feeling has been lacking in your life and you doubted you were ever the type to become soppy with sentiment? These things all manifest differently.. only fatalistic astrology has a cut and dry reply to that, you know? Transiting Saturn is also conjunct his Mercury right now - maybe he feels he's making the most "rational" and "realistic" choice by deciding to go with a girl he's physically met? Astrology cannot give a clear cut answer in this regard.. only some blueprints

Jupiter will be conjunct your beautiful Virgo sun soon my friend, trust in the process of the universe you're going to be fine. I say let this one go - he's made his choice. Let him either prosper of suffer for it, it's out of your hands for now. I know good things are coming your way!

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posted October 11, 2015 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have met two of my soul mates online, my husband and an ex lover and friend, in this technological age when technology is exponentially expanding yeah you are bound to meet occasionally someone important to your soul evolution online.

I completely understand if she's saying she's met a soulmate online. Like you, I've met a few myself. We can't help it in the digital age. I dated one briefly, too. We're still friends. And then, well, there's that guy. Heh!

My husband met his girlfriend online, too.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Jupiter will be conjunct your beautiful Virgo sun soon my friend, trust in the process of the universe you're going to be fine. I say let this one go - he's made his choice. Let him either prosper of suffer for it, it's out of your hands for now. I know good things are coming your way!

Well said.

And, I can concur on that Libra MARS. Lord have mercy!

Though, I will say one thing, to his ultimate credit. Two years ago, and two weeks from the day, he said, 'no more running', as his testament to our relationship. So while there's been minor ups and downs, backs and forths, overshooting here, underestimating there ... that has remained a firm vow. And he's upheld it.

So, Libra MARS men are funny creatures -- and indeed, fickle in many ways. But being a Libran myself, I can't be too hard on the man. Because when it matters it's solid.

Prime example would be his sweetly emailing me, asking if it'd be too inconvenient were he to skip out of our plans this evening, so that he can finish his current book. (Nothing special; we just like getting the chance to see each other when we can.) He's a hardcore workaholic, so it's hardly surprising. It's the fact that it's the day prior to my birthday, and would have been the only time we'd get to see each other until after. But I was about to cancel anyhow, given I've been under the weather since noon.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Give it time, think how often you meet someone and month later realize they are not who you thought her were....this might happen to him.

Very true.

On a side note many people I have met online were not soul mates, only 2 so far. There is a higher risk for deception for sure with online dating, catfish stuff, it's rough to say the least but occasionally works out definitely.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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For starters, can you clarify what you mean by 'your soulmate' ?

By soulmate I mean a man I am supposed to be with, period. Not for a month, not for a year, but forever.

I know all about soulmates and one doesn't have to mean a romantic connection. It could be a friend or even a sister/brother, or a person who may come into your life for some time to teach you a lesson and then once that's done, they may exit your life forever.

With him, I feel like we are one person from just the way we thing and talk. When we shared things with each other, it was almost like I already knew what he was about to say before he even said it. Then when he said it, I would feel as if I would say it exactly the same way. You don't understand the degree of resonance we have in everything we have discussed. It's staggering. I have never came across anyone who would be so similar to the way I think, feel, reason, hope, dream and so forth. He told me the exact same thing...

I don't know how else to explain it. I know it's natural to question when someone says "I think I met my soulmate" because a lot of people are looking to be in a relationship, wanting to be in love and be loved and are even afraid to be alone.

I am not one of those people. I mean of course I want to be in a relationship but I am not desperately looking for one. I actually don't put much expectation into online dating. Usually it's like whatever. I correspond with lots of men, no one usually strikes me on a level where I want to explore a possibility of a relationship. With him, I just felt like I "knew" him without actually ever speaking to him. Even when I first saw his profile photo and then read his profile, the feeling of "knowing" him overcame me and what was floating thru my head was "Wow, I am reading my own profile/my own life story/fear/hopes/etc." Well, it wasn't actually the thought per se, but I am trying to describe to you the feeling of "knowing" that I usually get about something/someone. When it happens, it feels as if I am thinking it without really logically thinking...I am feeling by spurs of "thoughts"...sorry, I am not sure if I am making any sense.

I don't know how else to explain it without sounding like hundreds of other people before me who thought they met a soulmate but maybe it was not the case. When you know it, you just do. Isn't that enough? I believe in intuition...don't you?

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posted October 11, 2015 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Give it time, think how often you meet someone and month later realize they are not who you thought her were....this might happen to him.

Gabby, you mean I should just let him be and if he chooses to not meet me and continue building a relationship with this other woman, I should just forget about him and who knows what happens - things may not work out with her and he may come back?


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posted October 11, 2015 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Frankly, I can't believe a man would claim to have such a strong connexion to a woman, only to draw near to meeting, suddenly meet another woman, and decide to give her precedence.

In the words of the late Amy Winehouse, 'what kind of f*ckery is this?'

I'm sorry, but he can't have been taking you that seriously. Who meets someone at a party, suddenly feels 'oh, it's fate' and completely disregards the person he was so gung-ho over? That doesn't jibe.

But then, look at all that VENUS/NEPTUNE conjunct NEPTUNE in your synastry. No wonder. Even worse for you, with VENUS being your chart ruler. I'd be wary. Sounds like you've been hit by a strong dose of illusion. You won't know what's what until the smoke clears.


Aubyanne, first of all, thank you for the laugh - love that quote At this point, this is exactly how I am feeling, haha...

But all jokes aside, why can't you believe that a person can meet someone and feel an incredible connection and then meet someone else and feel just as drawn? Has that never happened to you?

Mind you - him and I have established this connection online and he met this woman IN PERSON. Big difference! Having that physical proximity to someone has a huge weigh in because we are all human and even in you establish a soul connection with someone at a distance, a human nature will over rule that if you meet someone and that immediate spark/chemistry is being delivered to you right there in front of your eyes, at the arms reach. That is what is playing against me here

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posted October 11, 2015 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you please post composite and include h13,anteros,Valentine,Juno,Psyche,eros,cupido,amor,Isis,Osiris.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Neptune with a zero degree orb conjunct any personal planet in synastry is the ultimate butterfly elicitor, absolutely. If either of you were terribly Neptunian, the energies could be dealt with better, but a classical signifier of Neptune in synastry is often "disillusion/disappointment", which you experienced (as many astrologers would classically predict) unexpectedly once he backed out.

Libra in men.. oh I am so biased when it comes to this. I've had everything from Libran Suns, Lunar Librans, Libran Mars all opposite my Venus sitting pretty in my 1st house. Deeply, deeply alluring sign for me but they all do the same thing - go back and forth on their decisions. It's the symbolic tipping of the scales, especially in men. It absolutely does lend to a fickleness - a "fakeness", though? It's hard to say! With a Scorpio Moon, maybe not so much. But does it lend to a cultivation of beautiful words that could have an undertone of insincerity in order to simply go with the flow of conversation? Perhaps. This is doubly so with his Moon on your angle - the rushing flow of emotions. Stunningly so because no one can quite articulate sentiment from a rational standpoint quite like an air Moon. Cap moons love this at first. Thank God it wasn't on your IC, though. A Scorpio male with a Libran Mars had his Sag Moon/Venus on my IC once and it took me a good 6 years to get over that one.

NN/Saturn can manifest in a million different ways. There are couples that are together (for better or for worse) because this can sometimes act as the ultimate "glue" in karmic synastry. Or it could be because a lesson needed to be taught to both of you - Saturn is the great taskmaster/teacher, afterall. Let's also bear in mind transiting Pluto is probably conjunct your Moon throughout all of this... double the karma for you. Maybe you needed to be feeling all of this to the point of an existential crisis - maybe this sort of feeling has been lacking in your life and you doubted you were ever the type to become soppy with sentiment? These things all manifest differently.. only fatalistic astrology has a cut and dry reply to that, you know? Transiting Saturn is also conjunct his Mercury right now - maybe he feels he's making the most "rational" and "realistic" choice by deciding to go with a girl he's physically met? Astrology cannot give a clear cut answer in this regard.. only some blueprints

Jupiter will be conjunct your beautiful Virgo sun soon my friend, trust in the process of the universe you're going to be fine. I say let this one go - he's made his choice. Let him either prosper of suffer for it, it's out of your hands for now. I know good things are coming your way!


Thank you again, Athenaia. I guess I never thought that Neptune can have such a strong impact on how a person perceives another person. I am actually a hopeless romantic but at the same time, I am usually very rational and logical when I first start developing something with a person. In his case, my intuition took over and I just ran with it. I am very aware of when I switch to my logical self and question my intuitive "knowing." With this man, it was very easy and effortless for me, no struggle of any sort and that how I know that I am trusting my intuition.

By the way, don't we also have double whammy with Pluto/Moon? His conjuncts mine and mine squares his? Is that also binding or significant aspect?

And yes, I know that this is a very positive year for me and I have already been sowing some wonderful rewards since May of this year and this have been the best year for me by far in a looooong time I am very excited and optimistic about things that are coming my way.

And thought I would clarify that his Mars is not in Libra because I saw that Aubyanne was referring to it. His Mars is in Leo, which again has been totally matched up with his overall behavior/actions, even is thought pattern/explanation of certain things which we have discussed so far.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gabby, you mean I should just let him be and if he chooses to not meet me and continue building a relationship with this other woman, I should just forget about him and who knows what happens - things may not work out with her and he may come back?


Yes that is what she meant I am pretty sure..

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posted October 11, 2015 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can you please post composite and include h13,anteros,Valentine,Juno,Psyche,eros,cupido,amor,Isis,Osiris.

I will. Give me a few minutes to build it as I have never done Composite charts.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I will. Give me a few minutes to build it as I have never done Composite charts.

What is H13? I don't see it on the list of asteroids?

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posted October 11, 2015 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gabby, you mean I should just let him be and if he chooses to not meet me and continue building a relationship with this other woman, I should just forget about him and who knows what happens - things may not work out with her and he may come back?


Typically when you are in situation that you have to fight to prove your better than someone else, that person doesn't appreciate you or see you for your amazing qualities.
I'm sure right now he's seeing the physical side and potentially the ease of her(the tramp...I mean other girl) already being there.
Potentially he's going for what's easy and since men are more easily won over by the visual and physical connection before the emotional, potentially he's not thinking with his head or heart...
That very likely might change with time.
But I'd hate to see you run after him and pour your heart out while he in the wrong headspace and you end up hurt. Then you'll be hurt and resentful if he comes back after realizing the mistake he made. It will be drama!! Ugh
I'd be easier if you left it alone and let him figure it out without trying to win him over when he isn't appreciating you like he should. Let him be the one doing all the graveling and trying to win you over once he realizes the mistake he made.
If a guy doesn't see what he has in you, he doesn't deserve you!
My opinion is he's thinking with the wrong head and will get over that....pretty girls are a dime a dozen an awesome connection is rare!

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posted October 11, 2015 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't know how else to explain it without sounding like hundreds of other people before me who thought they met a soulmate but maybe it was not the case. When you know it, you just do. Isn't that enough? I believe in intuition...don't you?

I believe in apophenia. My intuition has improved, however. It used to be quite untrained and able to lead me down the wrong path at the slightest provocation. I'm wondering if your own intuition may be 'less developed', and you're just now really taking it out for a spin, due to this man?

It definitely sounds to me as if you've encountered a soulmate -- that I readily accept. But I'm having a very difficult time with your thinking you've found the one, so to speak. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'your soulmate' is really just a repurposing of a much older term, for a slightly newer one: twin flame.

Do I believe this man is your twin flame? I'd go all in, betting against it.

Here's the thing about that. You see, I've been on that particular ride enough now to have at least some advice to dispense. Or just a word or two of warning. My cautionary tale certainly does not have a happy ending -- that is, unless you're going purely from the standpoint of 'did we end up together'. No. We didn't.

As to meeting someone and feeling an incredible connexion, and then meeting someone else and feeling an incredible connexion to them, I don't see why the previous 'connexion' is now suddenly disregarded, because the latter meeting was in person. No. Soul connexions don't work that way. They cut through all. You're making excuses for his behaviour which, I'm not sure I think are truly justified. Looking purely at the facts, he chose against you. Why? Ahhh, see, that's what really hurts. You don't know why he perceived a stronger connexion with a total stranger, after establishing a real rapport with you -- online or not.

My suspicion is that he's in love with love. At least, the idea of it. And, if he's looking at you when he thinks Cupid's fired off his arrows, then -- success! But if he's looking at someone else? Oooh. Now, that smarts.

Someone who's behaving pragmatically, as opposed to acting purely upon the whims of his emotions, is going to set up a date with you, tout de suite, so as to be sure of what he's been feeling with you at a distance. Then he can take out the woman he's met at the party -- if he so chooses, and has not become committed to the idea of dating you.

But this 'I'm not a serial dater, sorry' is kind of one of the biggest lines I've heard. Seriously? What does that even mean? You only go for the person which you happen to be viewing when the arrow hits? Really?

See, 'my guy' was a bit like that as well. In love with love, but completely incapable of a relationship. His limit was crushing on an object of affection from afar -- limerence, is what we call that. He broke my heart that way, but also in other ways, to where it hardly matters which came first. I mean, at one point, he was limerent about me, too, of course. I just didn't know it at the time. I'm not sure he did, either. I think he thought it was love.

As to the whole notion of finding one's soulmate (or twin flame), in my humble view, it's far more than romantic fantasies, or feeling that 'you're the same person'. While I've not exactly lost track of how many I've felt that with, I've got to say it's several. And, I'd have to say, the best term for that is likely soulmate -- regardless of to which school of thought you belong.

The other, however ... I feel that it's almost imprinted upon your soul. It's made a deep, indelible mark upon your life as well. You'll even know how they're going to look physically -- and I don't just mean 'your type'. You just know. And it may not even be 'your type'. Yet, there's something about it that you -- yes, just know. There may be a name that's always been with you as well. Or a certain culture, or set of traits; a personality.

Unless these features appear as part of the portrait, I'm very sceptical when someone claims to have met their soulmate / twin flame. This is just my perspective, bear in mind. But, indeed, this is not my first rodeo, and I'm becoming something of a strange expert in the matter, thanks to these trials by fire.

However, an individual is much more likely to marry what they feel is a 'true love soulmate'. I married one of mine, even though we've got a bit of karma to clear, too. They're the ones with whom we'll share values, eerie coincidences, feel like we've come home to, and have a sense of binding familiarity and similarity. We may even resemble each other. But these soulmates (according to theory) -- companion souls -- are those who have 'signed up' to take the journey with us, as it'll benefit us both, or clear karma, or some combination of the two.

They'll bowl us over. It'll feel like fate has knocked on our door. We'll fall madly in love, and it might be the real deal. And if THAT's what you're looking for, I wish you the absolute best in finding it. I think that Athenaia is right when she says that 'your day will come' -- and soon.

But this one, I'm thinking, is just to make you do that: think. Be more cautious. Don't abandon yourself quite so readily to your emotions -- they CAN trick you. (And you know this.)

And pay closer attention to what are clearly deeper stirrings in your soul. You are obviously in search of 'your soulmate', (companion soul / true love soulmate) with whom you can build a life. And THAT's the time you're going to pull in those with whom you have karma, and are here to help you clear it -- and learn some tough lessons -- before you do settle down.

These are just my thoughts and experiences, of course. Your mileage, as they say, is going to vary.

But as to this one ... I think we can safely say that the lesson was learnt. If he does happen to come back around, however, then that's great! You'll still know to be more cautious and not get invested so quickly.

Especially with a VENUS conjunct NEPTUNE. Ahhhh, they do love to devote themselves to a good fantasy. It's reality they tend to struggle with.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Typically when you are in situation that you have to fight to prove your better than someone else, that person doesn't appreciate you or see you for your amazing qualities.

Bingo!

Really, really not worth it.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You don't understand the degree of resonance we have in everything we have discussed. It's staggering. I have never came across anyone who would be so similar to the way I think, feel, reason, hope, dream and so forth. He told me the exact same thing...

Incidentally, I do. I really, really do.

Do a site search with member IndigoDirae, in regards to a man she was madly in love with, whom she referred to as Fate -- if you'd like to see what I mean.

Trust me. I know.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What is H13? I don't see it on the list of asteroids?

It is a point called True lilith and the opposite point of that is true priapus, aspects to it can generate a very powerful soul to soul dynamic/contact and makes you feel naked on a soul level around them and very drawn to them, they are irresistible to you making you want to merge with them.

There are a lot of good threads here about it.

I am referring to true lilith aspect true priapus contacts but I have noticed in composite if it aspects a love object its great too.

In the chart is going to show up as osc. lilith and you have to picture the true priapus as it is always opposite.

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posted October 11, 2015 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What is H13? I don't see it on the list of asteroids?

Go to Extended Chart Drawings. You'll notice there's a blank box at the bottom of it.

Hypatia wants you to add in these:

h13,1943,447,16,433,1221,1923,42

And select JUNO from the dropdown menu. LILITH (Black Moon Lilith) is also in the dropdown.

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