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3l3n
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posted October 13, 2015 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would this play out?
Does anybody else have this placement with a significant other?

Our NN is in Leo H12 trine IC
Sextile Sun/MC/Apollo
Square Venus/Chiron in h9

SN Aquarius in H6 conjuct Juno
Trine Sun/MC/Apollo
Square Venus/Chiron in h9

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posted October 13, 2015 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From SkyMates 2 (Kindle app edition )

"COMPOSITE SOUTH NODE IN THE SIXTH HOUSE (Composite North Node in the Twelfth House) Responsibilities have defined the relationship of these two human beings for many lifetimes. Always, their own personal needs have been eclipsed by the dark moon of duty, self-sacrifice and humility. This is the traditional house of servants—and they may have literally been servants together. Given enough planetary harshness around a composite South Node in the sixth house, and we might even imagine them as slaves. (By “planetary harshness,”we mean hard aspects involving Pluto or Saturn, for example.) Bondage is not always coerced. These two may have chosen their chains, and done so without masochism. In the days before birth control, a couple might simply find themselves swamped with children, with all the attendant duties and necessities. They—and probably the eldest siblings—would then live lives defined by the needs of the young ones. A beloved mate can become ill or incapacitated; again, duty calls. In that case, the flow of service is tilted from one partner to the other, creating karmic impressions of imbalance, and perhaps resentment in one and guilt in the other. A disciple or an apprentice is profoundly bound by duty and obedience toward the master. Again, this is a voluntary situation, but no less restrictive for that. Autonomy is sacrificed; devotion and surrender are the themes. And once the student “graduates,”he or she is then compelled by another set of duties, those of passing on the torch to the next generation in the lineage. Traditionally, loving self-sacrifice is considered to be good karma. And even the suffering of a slave is viewed as “burning away bad karma.”In a slightly blasphemous nutshell, God owes this couple something! All that service has created an imbalance in their universe. There must be a flow back to them in this lifetime. They must receive something. This brings us directly to their soul intention as a couple, which is symbolized by their composite North Node in the mystical twelfth house. Now, in the present life, it is pivotal that they wean themselves away from their karmic compulsion to lose themselves in a labyrinth of duties and responsibilities. They have served others; now they need to serve themselves. How? By withdrawing from their total engagement with the needs of others, and ensuring that they have plenty of solitary, soul-nourishing time as a couple. Spirit wants to give them a gift of magic and insight. More precisely, they have already purchased such a gift with their karmic pattern of service. All they have to do is claim it. Where? In the silence. On the mountaintop. In the wilderness. In the cathedral. In their peaceful bed together. There is nothing they have to do first. They only need to get out of their own way— and think carefully before complicating their lives any further. What about their existing responsibilities? Given the nature of their karmic pattern, we can assume that such duties do exist unless the relationship is just beginning. Certainly , we all have obligations we cannot in good conscience ignore. But, in this symphonic universe, very often for a couple with the composite South Node in the sixth house, those people towards whom they are feeling responsible have actually reached a developmental stage where trying to help them actually does more harm than good. Some little birds never learn to fly unless they are tossed from the nest. The higher ground is not always defined by duty and self-sacrifice."

So that's something.

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posted October 13, 2015 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it is something. and it sounds beautiful!

I will now try and figure out it's connection to the Venus/Chiron square in the H9

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posted October 13, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can do it!!!

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Sounds challenging! lol... in a good way, in a good way. Defintely some work to be done there, gon be a very sensitive, raw, philosophizin love relationship with overtones of spirituality and self-examination... (see Ceri's notes in the other 12th house thread going now re: no rest for the wicked (or something))..

a Venus/Chiron conjunction could be worse placed than the 9th. I think that's workable. Squares from the 9th to the 12th generally are, ya? Ya.

juno conjunct the SN.. Hmmm. Probably a pretty heavy focus on relating and it feeling like work to maintain a relationship... it's saying it doesn't have to be work, to let it flow.. there's a strong foundation for the relationship given what's been built there in terms of commitment but Venus squaring those nodes with Chiron reminds you to always consider the emotional and feeling part of the relationship, to take into account the pain which can occur when the focus is on the hardship of relating, in a detached way... and to acknowledge the challenge of relating from the heart and acknowledging the holistic experience of the relationship if you're being drawn again and again into drama and pain.... Venus/Chiron (Scorpio 9th?) is demanding that the visceral experiencing of passion must be properly integrated, honoured, and taken into account to raise the vibration when moving along the fixed Aquarius/Leo axis towards the unbridled, expansive path of the heart in Leo in the 12th... Juno South Node 6th House Aquarius says to me that there was a sense of obligation to be linked for the sake of others, for the good of the collective. You must now understand your relationship as indeed the property of the cosmos but in a more intimate way, with Leonine heart and egoic force informed by the very intense Venus Chiron who will ensure that the feels are getting felt and processed and experienced--on a pretty grand scale likely...

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posted October 13, 2015 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun/MC/Apollo is a totally positive force integrating certain elements of both nodes... the focus on looking good/being good/doing work in relationship for the sake of others which could have been the undoing of the relationship in the past is now being gently accepted and applauded, while Leo NN is infused with that beautiful solar energy from the MC and Apollo and Sun.

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posted October 13, 2015 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks yungang, I wasn't expecting to receive such fast research hehe

Venus/Chiron in Taurus

It was a past relationship with enough pain and suffering not many could handle.
But it wasn't just that. There were also strong beautiful emotional moments.
It is as if we have a purpose in this life, and I think this purpose and path is moving towards the NN, something we have yet to live.

Who knows when we will reconcile,again and start taking steps towards this 12th house

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posted October 13, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah.. Taurus of course.

well, reconciliation, whether on the physical plane or not, whether explicit or not, may indeed incorporate those 12th house qualities in a meaningful way. Perhaps it's already playing out that way. Relationships do continue affecting both parties once they have ostensibly concluded, and I don't think it's far fetched to guess that the mission of the composite is still playing out

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posted October 13, 2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blessings on your healing journey!

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posted October 13, 2015 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the 12th could also symbolize the end of a relationship?

Thank you again. the healing procedure on both ends is still going on

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posted October 13, 2015 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our energies are constantly cycling, and endings always make way for new beginnings... but the 12th can definitely mean things are to run their course, to truly oversee everything and make room for the nothing which an ending suggests (the nothing, the ending, is essential for life to exist)... the 12H enables us to see a vast picture of everything if we open up to the energy and insight potentiated by placements there. Certainly with a 12th house NN some endings are likely, as well as epic understanding of the nature of everything through direct experiencing of the ultimate reality of impermanence, flux... change the only constant, the truth that we are not separate from one another and cause and effect may be indeterminable in a realm where we are all one... self-undoing. The undoing of the relationship, the examining of its structure in the 6th andits necessary dissolution... returning to the wellspring of the cosmos..

A 12h NN is perhaps destined to understand the integral interdependence of everything, which *depends* on nothing--physical or temporal... no more depending on reality or seeking proof (6th). Legitimate uncovering of the universe, having understood the structure of it, moving to the spaces between which hold it all together invisibly.. blah blah etc etc

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I have to say yungang_grotto, you're amazing.

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posted October 14, 2015 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus2tinkerbell, thank you for sharing your story. It's really good that you've done the work of finding clarity there. May your souls be at peace, soothed by the presence of love, and at the right time, forgiveness, and rejuvenation...

It's good to hear I'm amazing I'm glad you chose to say so ; you're amazing too! Pretty darn sure.

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Edited since you had a chance to read 3l3n

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posted October 14, 2015 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry to jump in venus2tinkerbell but I was struck to read how similar those placements are to this composite of a relationship in progress (almost 2 years in) and I'm wondering if you have any advice/feedback on it:

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posted October 15, 2015 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting and beautiful.. Thank you venus2tinkerbell for the story!

It has made me think of doing a little more research on the story behind me and this person I mentioned in the composite.

I think there's more to it than I realized

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posted October 15, 2015 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Angelina and Brad have their Composite North Node in the 12 house

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posted October 15, 2015 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our Davison chart on the other hand is showing that Chiron remains in H8 Taurus , Venus opposes him this time in H3 Scorpio.
Both again square up to the nodes on the house 6/12 axis.

Sun is on the IC this time, trining the Nodes

Hmmmm...

What exactly does the Davison chart signify, anyone know?

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posted February 15, 2016 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read from a site that strong composite 12th house would meant eventual separation & lessons - most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/09/01/the-composite-chart-and-the-12th-house-the-ghost-at-the-door/

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