posted October 16, 2015 02:25 PM            

Anyhow,

Since I've switched over to using Sidereal in my readings now, I've been wondering weather it'd still be appropriate to apply the "house-attraction" concept we're all familiar with.

Have any of you experimented with your Vedic houses/rulers in your synastries and found they worked?

posted October 16, 2015 04:30 PM            

it puts the ruler of 5th house, Neptune, right onto the NN.

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posted October 17, 2015 05:52 AM            

(the sid. Aqua-ASC is closer to the time he personally gave me, but I suppose that was a roundabout-memory of his parents, I mean 12:30 p.m. is really suspicious. )

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The cardinal (1-4) overlay would make sense though (even though I would not say No to the 1-5 overlay either ), considering the dynamic aspect gestalt of our synastry. It`s kinda hard to NOT notice that T-square/Grand Cross.
If we count my SN-DESC as leg for the Grand Cross, even if not, it is kinda interesting that our composite Jupiter falls onto 10 Gemini ( and therefore exactly at the right spot for that GC.

Also our first meeting chart has ASC on 9-10 Sagittarius with true BML on 12 Sagittarius and EROS on 12 Gemini.

Of course in sidereal that would be

c-Jupiter: 16 Taurus

fmc ASC: 14-15 Scorpio
fmc BML: 17 Scorpio
fmc EROS: 17 Taurus

PS Actually I think the birthtime of 2 minutes prior than I used to use, makes even sense in terms of midpoints as it puts his ASC onto the Venus/Uranus-mp by only 0°12, and that makes all the sense in the world. Also puts his ASC near my Venus/Neptune-mp (though not under one degree), and I think that makes sense, too, cause let`s face it I am not exactly objective when it comes to him.

posted October 17, 2015 05:59 AM            

For the meeting in August, it made for an age harmonic ASC of 14°58 Taurus with Uranus on 16 Taurus and Moon on 13 Scorpio. square Jupiter on 13 Aquarius.

And this Uranus-Moon-thing in terms of the Scorpio-Taurus axis especially seems to happen quite often when I show up in his life.

For that day it showed also in my Age hamronic chart

with AH Uranus on 17 Aquarius, exact on my natal Moon

AH Pluto on 11 Leo
AH Ceres on 15 Leo

AH true BML on 17 Taurus

(did I mention besides Moon-Uranus I seem to also to play the "BML-role" astrologically?)

He seemed to be focused a lot on me during that fanmeeting-thing, and as I just learned yesterday, completely lost that focus after I had left early. Just met a woman yesterday who was there as well, and she was slightly puzzled about that.

posted January 20, 2016 07:13 AM            

I was looking for more info on sidereal houses in synastry and this came up.

That's super fascinating btw, Ceri! :O
I love how beautifully you activate eachother's attraction/relationship house rulers.

And yes I can definitely see a bit of Pisces ASC in Mr. Sag!
This would then put his 10th house in Sag, and with Sun & Moon in there, this is known to give the person a very public persona, even fame.

posted January 20, 2016 07:45 PM            

For about a year I was obsessed with Jyotish, thanks to reading KRS's books and reading articles on Brighu Nadi Jyotish from saptarishis.com

But now when it comes to synastry, everyone's telling me to use tropical again?!

Synastry for me is a huge part of my interest in astrology. It's actually how I first became interested in it years back, because I wanted to know why I felt such a profound soul-connection with someone.

In sidereal you can't really do much with synastry, apart from comparing distance between planets, ashtakutas and friendliness of planets.

But for me, that's not enough.

The real fun is in the house overlays/aspects to house rulers, comparison of the charts to find mirroring/complementary patterns, asteroids, composite charts, etc.

All of this I mainly learned here on LL, from DD/Ceri, Lotis White, Aubyanne, iQ and many others who's teaching methods I greatly admire. But all this "juicy stuff" is only used with the tropical zodiac.

I would like to pick just one zodiac method and stick with it. But how do I ever chose?

I would appreciate if everyone took out some time to look at their Vedic house overlays/aspects to lords in synastries and wrote their opinion on how they feel it describes their relationship dynamics as compared to tropical houses.

posted January 21, 2016 03:00 AM            

I am only focusing on strong and tight aspects to the angles, 5th & 8th house lords.
For tropical I'll be using campanus-house system, since it's space-based instead of time-based.
For Vedic I'll be using whole-signs.

(I also use the Nodes as lords since the NN co-rules Aquarius and SN co-rules Scorpio in Vedic)

posted January 21, 2016 05:41 AM            

In fact theoretically the equal or whole sign housesystem should be the appropriate ones (at least you can use it in Hammerfest as well).

But practically only Placidus/topocentric has proved to be reliable to me (I know though that for other astrologers it might be different).

posted January 21, 2016 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don`t like Campanus, it totally breaks down at higher regions. Well they pretty much all do, but no other THAT quickly as Campanus. lol

In fact theoretically the equal or whole sign housesystem should be the appropriate ones (at least you can use it in Hammerfest as well).

But practically only Placidus/topocentric has proved to be reliable to me (I know though that for other astrologers it might be different).

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Oh! Well thank you for telling me lol.

Whole-signs it is for both then!

It makes sense to me because it puts both my Moon & Mars in 12th and I feel like a crazy/spacey unicorn that's always lost in my fantasy dream world.

posted January 21, 2016 05:58 AM            

Whole-sign doesn`t work for me, not in a specific sense, just in a general one (as in relation to the rising sign).

posted January 21, 2016 06:02 AM            

In sidereal,
my 5th house ruler is Venus in Leo, conj my tropical Moon, my 7th house ruler.

my 7th house ruler is Mercury (my 5th/8th ruler in tropical) in Virgo, conj my tropical Sun, my other 7th ruler (interception)

sidereal 8th house ruler is the Sun itself, in Leo, conj my tropical Vertex exact.

For whole signs, Mars is my 5th ruler, Mars in Virgo conj my tropical Venus exact. Mars 6.07, Venus 6.21
7th ruler is the same Mercury.
8th ruler is Moon in Cancer, conj my tropical DSC/Saturn, my tropical 7th ruler as well.

For PM, sidereal 5th ruler is Saturn in Ge, conj his tropical Mars, his 8th ruler

7th ruler is the same, Neptune/Jupiter. Neptune conj his Moon less than 1 deg! Moon rules his MC.(intercepted). Jupiter conj his tropical Venus exact. Neptune Jupiter also rule his sidereal 8th. The whole sign is the same, with the exception of Mars being 8th house ruler like in tropical.

It's the same dance

posted January 21, 2016 06:26 AM            

This is a friend who has been wanting to pursue me ever since we met, but I never wanted to take it any further than platonic friendship. I feel zero attraction towards him. Not to be rude, by I feel rather repulsed and uncomfortable with his flirtations and joking about us being together. I could never imagine being in a romantic/intimate relationship with him. He is a good friend, none the less.

Tropical Synastry: I'm Virgo Sun, he's Scorpio Sun

My ASC conjunct his Jupiter 2°
My ASC/DESC square his IC/MC 2°
My ASC/DESC square his 8th lord 2°
My ASC/DESC square his MC/5th lord 3°
My ASC lord square his IC lord 4°
My IC conjunct his MC 5°
My IC lord conjunct his Mercury 3°
My IC co-lord conjunct his DESC 2°
My IC co-lord opposite his Uranus 3°
My IC co-lord opposite his Neptune 2°
My 5th/8th co-lord conjunct his MC 2°
My 5th/8th co-lord conjunct his 8th lord 4°
My 5th/8th co-lord conjunct his MC/5th lord 4°
My 5th/8th co-lord square his Jupiter 2°
My DESC lord conjunct his ASC lord 3° (WHAT?!?!!! Nooo. He is definitely not my ideal mate )
My DESC co-lord square his IC lord 3°
My 8th lord conjunct his ASC lord 0°

Sidereal Synastry: I'm Leo Sun, he's Libra Sun

My ASC lord conjunct his DESC 4°
My ASC lord opposite his IC lord 4°
My 5th lord conjunct his DESC 2°
My 5th lord opposite his IC lord 2°
My 5th lord opposite his Uranus 2°
My 5th co-lord opposite his DESC lord 4°
My 5th co-lord opposite his Sun 4°
My 5th co-lord opposite his Venus 3°
My 5th co-lord opposite his Pluto 0°
My DESC/8th lord square his 5th lord 3°
My 8th co-lord conjunct his DESC lord 4°
My 8th co-lord conjunct his Sun 4°
My 8th co-lord conjunct his Venus 3°
My 8th co-lord conjunct his Pluto 0°

Conclusion:

Ok this has got to be a joke lol. I'm not shaming the tropical zodiac here by any means. Just baffled by all these "supposed" crazy attraction aspects yet it's only one-sided. He feels more like a sibling to me. It feels wrong to even think of anything more.

Even if I were single, I still wouldn't be able to bring myself to have anything romantic with him. I met him before I met my current love btw. But I wasn't expecting so many tight aspects with this guy though :O

Maybe this can be shown by my Sidereal DESC not being so strongly activated. However, the strong 5th house stuff does highlight that we can have a lot of fun together and we tend laugh a lot when we converse.

posted January 21, 2016 08:05 AM            

I don't need to say anything further cause I think I've blabbered enough about him already.

Tropical:

I'm red, he's blue

His ASC conjunct my ASC lord 0°
His ASC/MC lord square my Moon 2°
His ASC/MC lord square my IC lord 4°
His DESC conjunct my DESC lord 0°
His IC lord conjunct my Moon 2°
His IC lord conjunct my IC lord 3°
His DESC lord opposite my Moon 1°
His DESC lord opposite my IC lord 0°
His DESC co-lord conjunct my Moon 2°
His DESC co-lord conjunct my IC lord 3°
His 5th lord opposite my Moon 0°
His 5th lord opposite my IC lord 2°
His 8th lord conjunct my Mercury 6°

My ASC/DESC square his Pluto 2°
My ASC lord conjunct his Sun 0°
My DESC conjunct his Vertex 3°
My IC co-lord conjunct his Pluto 3°
My 5th/8th lord conjunct his Pluto 3°
My 8th lord square his Venus 4°

Sidereal:

I'm red, he's blue

His ASC conjunct my Sun 0°
His ASC lord conjunct my Sun 0°
His ASC lord opposite my DESC/8th lord 0°
His IC lord conjunct my Mercury 6°
His IC co-lord square my Pluto 0°
His DESC conjunct my DESC/8th lord 0°
His DESC lord opposite my ASC lord 0°
His DESC lord opposite my MC/5th lord 2°
His DESC co-lord square my 5th lord 0°
His 5th/8th lord conjunct my ASC lord 1°
His 5th/8th lord conjunct my MC/5th lord 3°

My DESC/8th lord conjunct his Vertex 3°
My 5th/MC lord square his Mercury 3°

Conclusion:

Well then. I don't know what to say about this one. Both results are fairly similar.
In both methods he actives all my significant houses and at one point I did consider him to be my ideal mate (before reality hit me )

Expect in western, there's more of an emphasis on my IC being activated and that hits home.
The strong activation of the water houses, especially IC says a lot about the depth of the connection I felt/feel. Very soulful and familiar.

I hope the 5th house & MC connections mean we will collaborate artistically in the future
Lol, I can only dream

posted January 21, 2016 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It sounds like you`ve already made up your mind (even before checking it out)

BTW the DESC ruler - ASC makes total sense, you are friends after all. And in fact DESC-ASC does not need to be romantic at all. (though if accompanied by some juicy stuff, it brings the romance factor onto a whole new level of course, but without it it often is just a very good platonic friendship vibration)

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Hehe :P

I checked some juicy asteroids with him and WOAH!
I found plenty of tight conjunctions, opposition and squares from his asteroids to my personal planets. His Eros is on my Sun, his Amor on my Venus, his Valentine square my Sun/Saturn, etc.

HOWEVER, my juicy asteroids only made a few minor aspects to his chart here and there, as well as wide oppositions (exceeding 3°) so I doubt they'd be counted. No conjunctions at all! :O

posted January 21, 2016 08:41 AM            

I'll post more synastry analysis tomorrow.

posted January 22, 2016 12:36 PM            

This time it was my feelings that were unrequited. I was obsessed with this guy and really liked him a lot. He was indifferent.
He was an old high school crush of mine but we're on friendly terms now.

Tropical:

I'm Virgo Sun, he's Pisces Sun

My ASC lord opposite his 8th lord 2°
My ASC lord opposite his Mars 2°
My IC/MC square his IC/MC 0°
My IC lord conjunct his DESC 4°
My IC lord square his ASC/IC lord 1°
My IC lord conjunct his NN 0°
My IC co-lord square his 5th lord 2°
My DESC lord square his Moon 2°
My DESC co-lord conjunct his Mars 1°
My 8th lord square his Moon 2°

His 5th lord square my Moon 0°
His DESC lord square my ASC/DESC 4°

That's weird, I activate all his relationship house lords but he doesn't activate my 5th lord.
I don't see this as fitting.

Sidereal:

I'm Leo Sun, he's Pisces Sun

My ASC lord square his ASC lord 0°
My IC/MC square his IC/MC 0°
My IC lord opposite his Moon 3°
My MC/5th lord square his ASC lord 2°
My DESC/8th lord conjunct his DESC lord 3°
My DESC/8th lord conjunct his MC lord 3°
My 8th co-lord square his Moon 2°
My 8th co-lord conjunct his 8th lord 3°
My 5th co-lord conjunct his DESC 4°
My 5th co-lord conjunct his 8th lord 3°

Interesting... His 5th lord isn't activated at all LOL. Makes much more sense.

Conclusion:

posted January 22, 2016 02:42 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How would it be in Placidus?

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His houses become intercepted.

I'm on the outside

Tropical:

posted January 22, 2016 02:44 PM            

I.
my 5th ruler trine his Mars-Jupiter (1st house and MC-ruler) widely (4 dgrees)
my 7th ruler conjnct his Sun-Moon-MC (5th ruler)
my 7th ruler square his Saturn-DESC (11th ruler)
my 8th ruler trine his Pluto widely (4 degrees) (8th ruler)
my 4th ruler conjunct his Mercury (4th and 7th ruler)
my ASC ruler opposite his ASC-ruler

his 5th ruler conjunct my Sun and Mercury (DESC-ruler)
his 7th ruler conjunct my Mars (IC-ruler), Neptune, NN and ASC
his 7th ruler square my Jupiter (ASC-ruler)
his 8th ruler trine my Moon (8th ruler - 4 degrees) and squares my Saturn (4 degrees)
his 8th co-ruler opposite my ASC-ruler, trines my Venus, 5th ruler,w idely (4 - 5 degrees) squares my Neptune, NN and ASc
his 4th ruler conjunct my Mars (4th ruler), Neptune, NN and ASC, and squares my Jupiter (1st ruler)

II
my 5th ruler conjunct his Mercury
my 5th ruler conjunct his r4, r5, r7

my 7th ruler trine his Mars and Jupiter
my 7th ruler trine his r2, r 10 and r11

my 8th ruler conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC
my 8th ruler square his Saturn-DESC
my 8th ruler conjunct his r6
my 8th ruler square his r12

my 4th ruler conjunct his Mercury
my 4th ruler square his Mars-Jupiter
my 4th ruler conjunct his r4, r5, r7

his 5th ruler conjunct my Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC
his 5th ruler square my Jupiter
his 5th ruler conjunct my r5, r 6 (r1), r4
his 5th ruler square my r2 (r4)

his 7th ruler conjunct my Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC
his 7th ruler square my Jupiter
his 7th ruler conjunct my r5, r6, r1, r4
his 7th ruler square my r2 and r4

his 8th ruler semisquare my Jupiter, Neptune, NN
(important because it actually intersects my Jupiter-Neptune and Jupiter-NN-square and additionally falls onto my Moon/Venus-mp as well).
it`s also on the antiscion of my Mars, traditional ruler of the ASC. lol

posted January 22, 2016 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
For us it would be like this:
Not saying which zodiac is which, but using Placidus for both.

I.
my 5th ruler trine his Mars-Jupiter (1st house and MC-ruler) widely (4 dgrees)
my 7th ruler conjnct his Sun-Moon-MC (5th ruler)
my 7th ruler square his Saturn-DESC (11th ruler)
my 8th ruler trine his Pluto widely (4 degrees) (8th ruler)
my 4th ruler conjunct his Mercury (4th and 7th ruler)
my ASC ruler opposite his ASC-ruler

his 5th ruler conjunct my Sun and Mercury (DESC-ruler)
his 7th ruler conjunct my Mars (IC-ruler), Neptune, NN and ASC
his 7th ruler square my Jupiter (ASC-ruler)
his 8th ruler trine my Moon (8th ruler - 4 degrees) and squares my Saturn (4 degrees)
his 8th co-ruler opposite my ASC-ruler, trines my Venus, 5th ruler,w idely (4 - 5 degrees) squares my Neptune, NN and ASc
his 4th ruler conjunct my Mars (4th ruler), Neptune, NN and ASC, and squares my Jupiter (1st ruler)

II
my 5th ruler conjunct his Mercury
my 5th ruler conjunct his r4, r5, r7

my 7th ruler trine his Mars and Jupiter
my 7th ruler trine his r2, r 10 and r11

my 8th ruler conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC
my 8th ruler square his Saturn-DESC
my 8th ruler conjunct his r6
my 8th ruler square his r12

my 4th ruler conjunct his Mercury
my 4th ruler square his Mars-Jupiter
my 4th ruler conjunct his r4, r5, r7

his 5th ruler conjunct my Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC
his 5th ruler square my Jupiter
his 5th ruler conjunct my r5, r 6 (r1), r4
his 5th ruler square my r2 (r4)

his 7th ruler conjunct my Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC
his 7th ruler square my Jupiter
his 7th ruler conjunct my r5, r6, r1, r4
his 7th ruler square my r2 and r4

his 8th ruler semisquare my Jupiter, Neptune, NN
(important because it actually intersects my Jupiter-Neptune and Jupiter-NN-square and additionally falls onto my Moon/Venus-mp as well).
it`s also on the antiscion of my Mars, traditional ruler of the ASC. lol

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Hm, in the first one your 7th and 4th rulers are very strongly activated.
There's less of an emphasis on the 5th & 8th rulers but their vibrations are still active none the less, just not as powerfully as your DESC/IC lords.

In the second one your DESC lord is mildly activated while the rest of your relationship house lords are super strong, especially the 8th.

This would come down to which method you feel describes your connection more accurately.

posted January 22, 2016 02:57 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow, with Placidus in sidereal I can definitely see the draw you spoke of!
I mean come on, 5th house ruler conjunct Pluto-NN?
Also I would check Mars, as traditional ruler, and there is definitely some intriguing aspects there.

Does not mean I am speaking for or against sidereal. Just saying. lol

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Maybe I'm just not good at spotting these patterns or interpreting lol, that's why I'm so confused.

Or it could be Mercury retro messing with me hehe