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Topic: Many out of sign aspects in one synastry
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Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1469 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted October 22, 2015 10:25 AM
More than 10, some of the orbs are wide though. How to approach this phenomenon?------------------ Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 58600 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 23, 2015 02:05 PM
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Christianb Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Australia Registered: Aug 2015
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posted October 24, 2015 06:35 PM
I also have out of signs conjunct in my synastry chart and think it's a really interesting question and I hope someone more qualified than me can add there thoughts IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace Knowflake Posts: 257 From: CA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted October 30, 2015 10:32 AM
I don't know if I'm qualified but I would accept out of sign aspects since the energy would still manifest. It makes more sense to give the degrees and aspects more weight because signs are simply a style of expression. However, I would tighten the orb by halving the usual value so the energy would still have some strength, since the aspects do not have their full affinities.So trine up to 3 degrees Conjunctions 3 degrees Sextile 1 degree Opposition & Square 4 degrees The tighter, the better. I would use good common sense too. Ex 1: Uranus in Sagittarius @ 29 degrees sextile mars in pisces @ 0 degrees. I would not count that because it is a generational aspect, a sextile is too weak to be of strong influence here & the signs square which would add to the lack of flow. Ex 2: Sun in Libra 28 degrees trine Venus in Pisces 0 degrees. I would count that -- especially if either of their planets fell on an angle. Like if the Pisces Venus was on the DSC for instance (either in the natal or synastry). Angularity, tight orbs & a planet ruling the chart would make these aspects more relevant. For outer planets, keep the orb @ 1 and disregard trines and sextiles. A disclaimer from all of this though is that if you feel it, its there. These are just benchmark points. IP: Logged |
Delilah423 Knowflake Posts: 555 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted October 30, 2015 10:59 AM
Sorry, but I'm not going to disregard trines and sextiles, ever. That's like saying disregard the positive influences and concentrate only on the negative influences. What would be the purpose of that?Nor would I necessarily disregard so-called generational aspects particularly the type that involve personal planet to outer planet rather than outer planet to outer planet, which in my mind are the true generational aspects. I also would not tighten the aspects (although I always look primarily at tight aspects anyway); the quality and nature of the aspect will differ depending upon the signs, but not the strength of the aspect. A 2 degree aspect will be a 2 degree aspect regardless of whether we're talking about a conjunction of 27/29 Sag, or a conjunction of 29 Sag/1 Cap. But I'm no expert by any means. IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace Knowflake Posts: 257 From: CA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted October 30, 2015 11:15 AM
Fair enough. My logic is that hard aspects produce more friction and energy so they're more noticeable. Same with the tighter orb. Not all hard aspects are bad. Out of sign aspects lose some of their power since there is not a full affinity. Generational planet aspects are so common that when they're out of sign, they lose even more relevance. I count the hard aspects though. Everyone will have a different opinion, I suppose. EDIT: Also, that is just based on if I were to do a professional reading^. If it was my own synastry, I would probably try and stretch the orbs, since we're all kind of biased in that way. I haven't done nearly enough research to be an authority on this, so feel free to disagree! IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia Knowflake Posts: 1469 From: Pandora's box Registered: Mar 2015
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posted October 30, 2015 12:40 PM
Alright, I'm gonna post my oos aspects.Moon trine Mars (quincunx signs) 2.06 Moon square MC (trine) 3.06 Mars square Mars (sextile) 3.54 Venus sextile Uranus (square) 4.40 Mars trine MC (square) 4.45 NN conjunct MC (4.53) Moon trine Mercury (quincunx) 4.57 Uranus conjunct IC 6.06 Saturn conjunct MC 6.35 Moon square Venus (trine) 6.38 Mercury square Mars (sextile) 6.45 Mars conjunct ASC 8.37 I'll update the list if I notice more. Which of these aspects would you count and why/who not? (open question) ------------------ Anomaling around since 1911.
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VestasLight Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Canada Registered: Mar 2015
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posted October 30, 2015 09:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: Alright, I'm gonna post my oos aspects.Moon trine Mars (quincunx signs) 2.06 Moon square MC (trine) 3.06 Mars square Mars (sextile) 3.54 Venus sextile Uranus (square) 4.40 Mars trine MC (square) 4.45 NN conjunct MC (4.53) Moon trine Mercury (quincunx) 4.57 Uranus conjunct IC 6.06 Saturn conjunct MC 6.35 Moon square Venus (trine) 6.38 Mercury square Mars (sextile) 6.45 Mars conjunct ASC 8.37 I'll update the list if I notice more. Which of these aspects would you count and why/who not? (open question)
Hi Aunt Anomalia, I have read a ton of charts and many here do feel only tight orbs of 3 degrees or less count. However, I've found over the years that in synastry, the tight orbs show the bare bones of the relationship - what will be felt most strongly. The wider degrees IMO are just as valid (especially if they involve luminaries and/or angles). They describe the softer energies at play in the relationship. Sometimes they take longer to show up, as well. Of what you've listed above,I would count them all. Even the Mars conjunct ASC 8.37 is valid because it involves an angle and they are very sensitive to anything that comes near them. It just wouldn't be as strong or as prominent as a 3 degree conj. But it will still be felt. This is only my opinion, but as I've said. I've read a lot of synastry charts in my 20 yrs. I also do consider out of sign aspects. I don't see why anyone wouldn't. An aspect is an aspect. Only, with out of sign aspects there can be more tension in the play of energies. So a trine, which is usually easy will have more of an edge to it when there are two elements at play, instead of the usual one. This will be a great opportunity for you to learn first hand about the wider orbs and out of sign aspects through your relationship!
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