posted November 09, 2015 08:21 PM            

How has Tantulus played out for you in Synastry?? That person you can't have? or that connection that never took off even though it had all the right ingredients in synastry so it felt like the universe was just teasing you saying here you can't have this LOL?

My Anecdote:

My Tantalus conjuncts exact his Valentine (last crush I had and a soulmate and yes I wanted him badly but could not have him, we had great synastry and even some nice progress to natal aspects).

His Tantalus conjuncted my True Lilith under 3d and opposed my Valentine by 1d exact so I guess he must have felt tantalized too since the attraction was there but I was married when we met and he knew it.

So we had a Tantalus-Valentine double whammy! That explains A LOT actually. I have never wanted something so badly that it was clearly not going to manifest.

HAHAHA In our composite we have an exact VALENTINE conjunct ATROPOS squaring under 1d TANTALIZE...

I have been trying to figure out astrologically how could we have such great synastry and for it not to manifest for several months now. I kept thinking Valentine conjunct ATROPOS how could nothing happen, Atropos in my book is very powerful and refers to inevitability! so we were meant to come together and meet but when you add that this was squaring Tantalize the missing piece of the puzzle it all makes sense now!

Meant to come together, desire each other romantically but NOT be able to act on it in this life, I guess it was inevitable to tease each other, ignite something in us but have to turn it right off and inevitably let it go.

I did let go quickly of him and was surprised by that, it shows I have grown a lot bc the intensity between us and attraction was very similar to how I felt for my ex and for all I know could have surpassed it but I was able to assess situation and knew I had to let go and did sooner than later.

posted November 09, 2015 08:26 PM            

I guess I'm a tease?

He's got it 0º30 conjunct his JUNO -- and, holy God -- OOB.

posted November 09, 2015 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
0º conjunct my MOON, 0º parallel my SUN.

I guess I'm a tease?

He's got it 0º30 conjunct his JUNO -- and, holy God -- OOB.

We're talking 60ºN. Wha the fizzuck, over?

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You are a tease emotionally! Fascinating since you are asexual and in the Schizoid personality disorder spectrum.

He is a tease about commitment which we know he is and is OOB to top it off.

posted November 09, 2015 08:38 PM            

His Tantalize opposes my Valentine and this opposition squares his Valentine conjunct my Tantalize making that conjunction the apex of the square.

posted November 09, 2015 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You are a tease emotionally! Fascinating since you are asexual and in the Schizoid personality disorder spectrum.

He is a tease about commitment which we know he is and is OOB to top it off.

LOL,OMG, I am gobsmacked!

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Well, it is in Scorpio. In some ways I've made my living off of being a tease. But that was way after I learnt that just by existing I seem to be one!

The weird thing is that I don't think it's quite as simple with him; TANTALUS is what we desperately want, but for whatever reason, cannot have. And he's got it conjunct JUNO; a part of him has always wanted to marry and settle down -- but he's kept himself just shy of ever really seeking a partner to do that with. Which is why it was so ... uncharacteristic and powerful that he DID want to marry me. But he was ambivalent, of course; he didn't want to 'steal me away', and yet, he really, really wanted -- and thought -- he could somehow make that work.

But his life has never allowed him to be in a position for marriage, because he dedicated himself to caring for his elderly mother until her dying breath. Noble, but it certainly precludes certain options, or types of commitments. So, we do the best that we can.

Looking at it through that lens ... it's a bit spooky. Because it really is spot-on. He's not a tease about it, and he's never been truly ambivalent about commitment -- once he commits. And he has.

posted November 09, 2015 10:01 PM            

So, my ex-producing partner, who's also a schizoid (and on the psychopathic spectrum) he's also got TANTALUS conjunct his MOON.

... And my LUST. So, that's just hilarious.

But it's the lunar connexion I'm pondering here. Which means our composite also has MOON conjunct TANTALUS.

Emotions are tantalising but ultimately unattainable? There's some link there.

My TANTALUS is on his MC-KARMA-SATURN-SNODE fustercluck. By the way. Heh!

I also am not the biggest fan of my placement of it. See, it's on a BIG stellium, which includes my ROSING, LIDDELL, SHERLOCK, MORDEN -- and so on. All the elements that makeup what's essentially my karma-turned-art -- my developing TV show -- in my natal.

posted November 09, 2015 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Well, it is in Scorpio. In some ways I've made my living off of being a tease. But that was way after I learnt that just by existing I seem to be one!

The weird thing is that I don't think it's quite as simple with him; TANTALUS is what we desperately want, but for whatever reason, cannot have. And he's got it conjunct JUNO; a part of him has always wanted to marry and settle down -- but he's kept himself just shy of ever really seeking a partner to do that with. Which is why it was so ... uncharacteristic and powerful that he DID want to marry me. But he was ambivalent, of course; he didn't want to 'steal me away', and yet, he really, really wanted -- and thought -- he could somehow make that work.

But his life has never allowed him to be in a position for marriage, because he dedicated himself to caring for his elderly mother until her dying breath. Noble, but it certainly precludes certain options, or types of commitments. So, we do the best that we can.

Looking at it through that lens ... it's a bit spooky. Because it really is spot-on. He's not a tease about it, and he's never been truly ambivalent about commitment -- once he commits. And he has.

But marriage? :sigh: Yeah, he really can't do that. For a number of reasons.

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What a sweetheart taking care of his mom like that ..

I agree is not that simple. Tantalize is what we desperately want and cant have true so he does want marriage but things make that impossible like you being married for example although the two of you are committed and devoted to each other.

I have Valentine square Tantalus and I am a tease in that regard but life teases me too by giving me a taste and then taking it from me leaving me always wanting something in the love department I can't have but I am turning a new leaf in this area once and for all and am no longer going to want what I can't have and accept in my heart that I have what I need and those loves I experienced were meant to be in my life for a while and that is it, they served their purpose. I will no longer live perpetually teased, I have the power to change my thinking that leads to me feeling that way and I am doing that, its about time.

So in the same manner your moon conjunct Tantalus I feel tantalizes others in an emotional level bec they want more from you emotionally but never get enough type of thing and yes it been in scorpio I feel intensifies that draw and the effect of you pulling people in leaving them wanting more and them never truly feeling satisfied bc there is a barrier I would think but also an attraction and desire to get closer to you.

But it works the other way, you want to get closer sometimes but feel that you can't so you feel teased too that is why you are fascinated with closeness even though you feel you couldn't fully experience it until recently with your boyfriend after a lot of hard work together and even diagnosed your self asexual. With tantalize in Scorpio conjunct moon it makes sense that your sexuality would be affected by it so the teasing dynamic is not simple I get you, it kind of goes both ways..

The same goes with your boyfriend he wants to marry but something always keeps that from happening but at the same time girls in his life probably felt he was a tease in this regard even though there was always a good reason why he couldn't move forward with marriage and he deep down always wanted this.

posted November 09, 2015 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Huh, H. You might find this worthwhile.

So, my ex-producing partner, who's also a schizoid (and on the psychopathic spectrum) he's also got TANTALUS conjunct his MOON.

... And my LUST. So, that's just hilarious.

But it's the lunar connexion I'm pondering here. Which means our composite also has MOON conjunct TANTALUS.

Emotions are tantalising but ultimately unattainable? There's some link there.

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posted November 09, 2015 10:39 PM            

The characters are constantly trying to get to some state of fulfilment they can never seem to reach. Which is okay -- it's TV. And for some, it's due to suffering, punishment and payment for past crimes; for others it's circumstance. But everyone is LONGING, and not HAVING.

posted November 09, 2015 10:50 PM            

this one person i know, he has

Venus 27 Taurus
Angel 27 Taurus
Tantalus 26 Taurus
Chiron 25 Taurus

I have heard him refer to people as Angels. And he has a kind of notorious history of being in love with unavailable women.. like to a maddening extent.

I have Tantalus conjunct Uranus--and his South Node..

In our composite--Tantalus 1 degree off my North Node and 1 degree off his Juno, at our Juno-NN midpoint.

posted November 09, 2015 10:57 PM            

Sounds good the series!.

Well A I have Tantulus conjunct Anteros square Valentine...and Tantulus-Anteros SEMISEXTILES my ex JUNO and the Tantulus to Juno semisextile is exact. I experienced requited love with him and we talked about getting married but we never seem to get there, he almost proposed but something would get in the way and then it did not happen ultimately...

His Tantulus conjuncts My SOUTHNODE and his IC; I think our past and the memory of us haunts him and teases him, I know bc of things he has said the few times we have gotten in touch and spoken like "I never found anyone like you" and "I look for you in other girls" etc...

I suppose that Tantulus has to be activated in synastry and by what is activated tells you the details..

We never transition to marriage that is how tantulus played out in our story, that and it teased us with a romantic love out of this world but only meant to be experienced temporarily and not for a lifetime like I had hoped..

posted November 09, 2015 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ok ok

this one person i know, he has

Venus 27 Taurus
Angel 27 Taurus
Tantalus 26 Taurus
Chiron 25 Taurus

I have heard him refer to people as Angels. And he has a kind of notorious history of being in love with unavailable women.. like to a maddening extent.

I have Tantalus conjunct Uranus--and his South Node..

In our composite--Tantalus 1 degree off my North Node and 1 degree off his Juno, at our Juno-NN midpoint.

I seriously pined for that guy once upon a time

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posted November 09, 2015 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Whoa!! So many similarities, Juno and SN conjunct Tantalus...

Thanks for this thread it's very enlightening!

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I just corrected that, its actually an exact semisextile between my Tantulus and his JUNO, not a conjunction.

posted November 09, 2015 11:49 PM            

I think you're right about the squares, for example showing where we are 'tantalised' (and possibly denied). The conjunctions may also show the 'content' of what's denied and longed for, but when taken as a larger pattern, it can definitely give rise to a bigger thing.

Perhaps progressions could help us understand when and where the pressure is being exerted. Synastry might even alleviate in some ways, as opposed to intensify. It may be, for example, that a natal pattern exists that's problematic -- which could be altered or lessened, by the synastry. Conversely, worsened by it as well. It may be very dependent.

My pSUN-pDESTINN is lighting that stellium up like a Christmas tree -- literally 0° on the midpoint of the WHOLE natal stellium. Wow, right? But I think TANTALUS is more a part OF the thing itself, rather than interacting ON the stellium. If that makes sense.

Funny that it's the composite with my ex producing partner that's got everything on my natal stellium -- which tightly conjuncts his own stellium across those degrees. But then he IS what prompted me to get into TV at all. It was in developing our project together that I first even considered tackling TV. So when it fell through, I'd already learnt how to write TV. I was finally ready to take my BIG project and adapt it for the medium for which it's always been destined.

Then let's look at how Jack's TANTALUS-JUNO is right in our composite SUN -- MAGION-LUCIFER and a few others. That's his natal TANTALUS-JUNO-MEGAIRA.

That's REALLY telling to me.

A major facet of why we were caught in a karmic cycle of violence and betrayal was, on the mundane level, his absolutist adherence to a strict code of principles. It SOUNDS great -- unless you run afoul of them -- which is something my series explores in depth. Coincidentally, that's the antihero's actual journey -- his character arc. He has to learn not to rely solely upon an uncompromising code of ethical calculus, and to take every decision with his head as well as his heart.

Jack's and my biggest issue was his strict code of principles. Not kidding! More so than anyone I've ever known -- perhaps outside of myself. Unwavering to the point of being hidebound. MEGAIRA is interesting to be with his JUNO; she's the Fury that punishes infidelity according to most. But it's actually a mistranslation. Outside of being the Fury of Jealousy, she's REALLY the one who punishes those who betray true love. It's easy to call that 'infidelity' but it's ANYTHING which turns against or betrays true love.

And THAT was why he found himself in 'moral checkmate'. HE was the only one refusing our relationship from manifesting -- purely as a matter of principle. He actually hadn't dated at all, in large part because he was incessantly busy and it wasn't worth it to him, and also the knowledge that few would accept his circumstances. Beholden to being his mother's caretaker until she's no longer of this physical world? No other relatives to assist with it? A tiny barely one-bedroom apartment? It's not the image he wanted to put across. Which is why he was both embarrassed and honest in his saying that he couldn't have married me anyhow, and it's good that I fulfilled my obligation, regardless of what else.

Looking at our composite SUN there with his JUNO-MEGAIRA-TANTALUS becomes much more informative, too. Once he chose to go AGAINST his principles for true love -- and, given the nature of LUCIFER to be the one that breaks from the herd, that will not be controlled or 'beholden' to any 'master' --- well, it takes A LOT to sacrifice your principles in order to work to have something you're not even sure you're capable of having, that's sure to draw the judgement and contempt of everyone that subscribes to a more conventional playbook.

His TANTALUS may even be how deeply he's wanted to BE able to enjoy a committed partnership, to have someone 'to call his own' -- with the full knowledge of how difficult to impossible that's been to realise.

posted November 10, 2015 03:14 PM            

I feel his tantulus conjunct Juno is still somewhat in effect because he cannot marry you. He will never go grocery shopping with you weekly or eat a meal with you every night at home, go to sleep by your side and wake up by your side. Until the two of you are living together and coming out to the world as a married couple you're not married so tantulus conjunct Juno is still in effect teasing him.

Regardless the relationship you have with him is a committed relationship and very special and has its own set of benefits but tantulus conjunct Juno is still in effect is just he came to peace with working around it so his need for commitment are met to some extent or to the extent he is able to commit. There is still an element of tease as you do live with your husband and are legally married to him even if for practical reasons, the fact remains he can't fully commit to you even if he wants to. I understand the arrangement is perfect for both of you and based on love and there is commitment involved but not to the extent of marriage.