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Ceridwen
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posted November 17, 2015 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If in a synastry there is Pallas conjunct Psyche one way, and Pallas conjunct Eros the other way (both in Aquarius, but neither Pallas nor Eros-Psyche conjunct), how would you interprete it?

I know it is always difficult interpreting isolated aspects, but just in terms of symbolism, what do you think this symbolizes?

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posted November 17, 2015 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh. Well, it does link them, clearly. And PALLAS is very psychic. For whatever reason, this we know. That's been tested enough to prove so.

I'd be intrigued with your experiences with EROS conjunct PALLAS. We've got the exact conjunction, 0°20. He's EROS, and, naturally, it's my 8H, his 5H.

I used to worry that my PALLAS was totally killing his groove. But maybe not.

Curiously, his PALLAS is only 9° from my PSYCHE. So that's a bit funny.

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posted November 17, 2015 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Auby,

"Huh. Well, it does link them, clearly. "
That`s what occured to me as well.


"And PALLAS is very psychic."
Yes, very active in transits (either Tr Pallas or something major to my n Pallas, with major I mean, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto or something like that) when I feel that insane buzzing in my head (not to mention some freaky dreams, even freakier than usual, and just basicaly feeling like I am "downloading" information. lol)


"I'd be intrigued with your experiences with EROS conjunct PALLAS. We've got the exact conjunction, 0°20. He's EROS, and, naturally, it's my 8H, his 5H."
That is interesting.


`He` is Lancelot btw, the Lancelot to Mr Sag`s Artus. Literally, as I `ve seen them both on stage side by side performing the roles (they are friends incidentally).
Interestingly I`ve seen "Lancelot" the first time in 2010, when he was on a concert with Mr Sag. Just remembered that one.
I haven`t seen him after that for 4 years, but then in 2014 as Lancelot, and as it just occurred to me since last march (saw him on 21st march. lol) until last saturday, about 3 times I think. Not intentionally. it just "happened", things coincided, you know?

Nevertheless especially on the last concert he seemed to well pay some attention to me (to be fair, he certianly did so, too, when I was seeing him as Lancelot, I was just a little distracted then. lol)

It`s nothing big at all, but it just struck me strange or intriguing, that *some* of those actors seem to just zoom in on me, like I am on their radar for some reason, but of course not ALL of them. Most of course do not pay me any attention at all.
Now of course it also occurred to me that Lancelot and Mr Sag are friends, and those actors who do seem to notice me quite a bit, seem to be somehow in the same or overlapping circle.

And now I noticed that Pallas-thing in Lancelots and my case.


His EROS 9°29 Aquarius
my PALLAS 9°10 Aquarius


his PALLAS 22°14 Aquarius
my PSYCHE 24°02 Aquarius


And going beyond this, it is hard to NOT notice (well NOW it is ) in Mr Sag`s and my synastry


his PALLAS 24°20 Aquarius
his PSYCHE 25°13 Aquarius
my PSYCHE 24°02 Aquarius


It is of course not that complementarily linked as in the case above, but still it struck me how both Gentlemen have their Pallas conjunct my Psyche (and one having Pallas on my Eros).


The other thing I just noticed is this

Lancelot`s CUPIDO 22°37 Libra
Mr Sag`s ANTEROS 22°20 Libra
my PSYCHE 24°02 Aquarius

(also conjunct my SAPPHO on 22°06 Libra, and well not too far from my DNA on 20°20 Libra, and Mr Sags Pluto on 21°23 Libra.

Funny enough Lancelot has DNA in Libra, too, 15 Libra, conj. my Aphrodite and part of a synastric Grand trine.


Plus in the declinations.

my PSYCHE 14°03 S
my CUPIDO 13°56 N

Lancelots ANTEROS 14.31 N
Lancelots CUPIDO 14°55 S

Mr Sag`s PSYCHE 13.43 S

It just baffled me a little today, I was also wondering if maybe the fact I am apparently quite visible to them, is described through PALLAS somehow.


In fact the other guy who payed me quite a bit attention (well right down to staring, seriously, I almost feel stalked by some performers on stage. lol )


Well, it might not be as fitting the pattern, but


his PALLAS 3°01 Aries
my IC 4°57 Aries
my AURA 4°48 Aries

and interestingly

his ANTEROS 24°03 Aquarius
my PSYCHE 24°02 Aquarius

WEll yes I know I disgress, but I wonder if an active PALLAS makes us receive or pay attention, becoming aware of something or someone, even if we cannot put the finger on why or how?

What do you think?

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posted November 25, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaGioconda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does sun-Eros and sun-Psyche (both 0°) create a link, too?

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posted November 26, 2015 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his PALLAS 3°01 Aries
my IC 4°57 Aries
my AURA 4°48 Aries

WEll yes I know I digress, but I wonder if an active PALLAS makes us receive or pay attention, becoming aware of something or someone, even if we cannot put the finger on why or how?


Well, you've more or less ignored me aside the first month or two I was here, even with all the synastry conjunctions and trines we have, and my Pallas at 4 Aries on your IC, so not necessarily?

I have Circe and more at 9 Aquarius, Spirit at 8, Psyche trine your Pallas from 10 Gemini, so still fairly reasonable hits there as well.

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posted November 27, 2015 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
Well, you've more or less ignored me aside the first month or two I was here, even with all the synastry conjunctions and trines we have, and my Pallas at 4 Aries on your IC, so not necessarily?

I have Circe and more at 9 Aquarius, Spirit at 8, Psyche trine your Pallas from 10 Gemini, so still fairly reasonable hits there as well.



Why do you think I ignore you? This baffles me. I actually donīt, though it might be true that I don`t respond very often to a post of yours, mostly because I do not have much to add, I guess.
But I AM pretty much aware of you.

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posted November 29, 2015 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why do you think I ignore you? This baffles me. I actually donīt, though it might be true that I don`t respond very often to a post of yours, mostly because I do not have much to add, I guess.
But I AM pretty much aware of you.

You seem selective about who you interact with (and maybe even at some stage said something about something such, although I don't remember for sure now as it's been ages from that comment). Have either seen some answers to newer people maybe (from you, that is, and I haven't been around enough as of late to know about that), or just interacting with a certain circle of people as it has seemed (when seen from the apparent outside).

Approximate answer might be something like: We have good synastry as far as I know, even the seemingly coveted NN-Valentine type things, but for whatever that's worth, it certainly doesn't show in interacting. You're busy and coveted around these parts, but I'm not sure you've said a thing to me in at least two years now. It has always seemed very counter potential synastry and leads to whatever appearance of invisibility (or at least being passed over in favour of other things, the way prioritizing always happens in places like this, impossible to answer to everything). "Ignore" may be the wrong word, but without knowing if you read or are aware of me when I am around, the appearance is of not registering in any way on your radar (even if having tried to take part in your posts sometime), which is what you note of Pallas. Possible awareness if you say so, but never showing, so questioned.

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Note: Will veer into general board interactions more so below, not talking about you specifically. Background for things. Jump to end for gist of things?

All this over time when have had the chance to be around, whether in my posts/threads or the occasional times I've TRIED to join the "popular people" in fun posts (when I had time or an opportunity to post). Some Supernatural thread comes to mind as one of those, it not seeming to matter what was said by me wherever, trying for levity or arguing something, so after a while stopping even trying to take part in anything "fun". Of course you're not the only person around and some of "my" longer fun threads the first ~2 busier months were with others, but there are some strong core groups here that interact more often and it seems very difficult to exist (be visible?) when coming in to threads with "popular" people talking amongst themselves. Calling it ignoring was perhaps a very strong expression to begin with, but when I do come around I tend to see a lot of posts scrolling down with only 1 or no replies at all, or comments consisting of only bumps, whatever the reasons. And I rarely have the time to reply (possibly because I write a lot when I do write something). Sometimes I can see that it's probably because it's something that could've been googled for similar topics, but contrasting that to some regulars starting discussions about things that have many posts already - and getting plenty of answers even so again - it seems very hit and miss who gets visibility on the boards. This on a general level. Plus the way the boards ignite over very little at times, it seems a very risky thing to ever open your mouth about anything, lest you seem an automatic troublemaker or supposedly rude for daring to poke at the status quo or accepted ways of the realm.

That's some of the POV influencing my end, I assume. Again, more generally. When I first came here, I'd read every page of every thread on the sides I had interest in, now I can't even read more than a selection of the first page - so I get that newbies may not know if something has been discussed before and topics pop up ad infinitum in some cases. With everything I first read I also get that answering the same things or even pointing to others that they should "JFGI" gets tedious. Two sides, both seen. Third facet was also seeing people chattering socially for pages on end, astrology forgotten for a long time, socializing over several days mattering more than answering several unanswered questions on the first page back when I saw one of those cases going on. Alas, fear of yet again being the shunned disturber-of-status-quo or just opening my mouth here at times, and as I recall, a Mercury retrograde going on at the time, so it being doubly ill-adviced (at least for me) to say anything about something annoying seen.

If you prefer, you can tl;dr astrology as "She's just a double Leo, ignore her (at your peril, since attention even for bad behaviour is ATTENTION at least, and not on the Leo's head if "forced" to grah?).

You're very visible here in any case so I can't say if my being aware of you from early on was because of your knowledgeful posts or Pallas along with other synastry - but even with me around less, I actually don't remember seeing replies from you to me since my first year? Not on your radar by appearances, hence questioning awareness and attention. Also with my draconic Pallas at around 8 Leo from what I recall, so opposite yours.

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posted November 29, 2015 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keela,

I`m sorry you feel like this, but glad you told me about it - which btw I think is very descriptive of Pallas-synastry (pointing out patterns for example).

I can only repeat I am not (consciously) ignoring you, but you are also right I donīt respond to everyone. But that is not with any kind of bad intention or because I dislike them, but this is a HUGE forum. I have to do a selection, I can`t possibly answer to everyone (I tried in my first incarnation here and it went downhill very quickly).
I am working fulltime, and considering this I am on here quite a lot, but yes, I do pick, I guess, and I tend to answer to posts that either spark my interest in some way, or that I feel I *have* something to say to.

I don`t consider it my obligation or duty however, to answer EVERY question and respond to EVERY post.
That might seem unfriendly, but it is part of my need to draw some lines as to what I am able to handle without getting all scattered and internally torn and discontent.

Also, a lot of people meet here, and so socializing is bound to happen, but you are right we need to keep an eye on that one, that it`s an astrology forum, so the exchange should be connected to astrology in some form.

It also is true that people vibe more with some people than others and will probably be more drawn to answer them, but it is not true that I only respond to a selected few (though probably more frequently than to others).


To you and everyone else who should feel ignored by me, if you want a communication about something with me in particular (I wasn`t even aware that you were wanting that, Keela; didn`t think I was on your radar that much either to be honest), it`s best to address me directly by my screenname.

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posted November 29, 2015 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a lot of forum or board related background with it all as said, the way I am an INTP (analysis, watching things, seeing patterns, etc. Also very easy to see why I'd see value in astrology with the personality type). General level comments also surfacing through your asking why. Two things mixing together.

I tried to keep my first comment neutral since it was about not seeing the awareness from your side so offering the "Well, but" potential challenge to your (male) examples. Ignore was probably a bit of a strong word as said, but I still struggle to find the best or most suitable right word for not perceiving awareness or attention, interacting in some fashion based on that.

Also, you've had your email address available while a mod, so I could have emailed you to address anything such if it mattered more so. It's just that I do know you're one of the most sought after experts here, so me deliberately tugging your sleeve just to get noticed seems both a waste of your time and when it comes to it, mostly unnecessary from my end. When I have wanted a specific mod's opinion in one of my own posts, I have at times named them in the subject line, but that hasn't been that common either, from me. You are however the queen to my commoner here, board-wise.

If it's not vastly important, *I* can also probably get by even without answers since have this far as well. It's not a life or death issue when I have a certain level of speculative astrological knowledge in any case, compared to many others. Forming a cohesive whole out of what I know doesn't come as easily as it seems to many though.

The rest gained from LL is likewise fairly speculative in any case, if talking meanings of asteroids, as pairs or unusual combinations, or their solstice points or further complex patterns still. People will not know for sure about meanings, but they may have more insight than me, or see something I've missed, so it being beneficial for me to ask at times. It's easier to answer other sort of questions most of the time though, so other people potentially perhaps benefitting more of getting replies.

I also appear to have pulled my usual "Dislikes smileys so forgets to use them even when others may find them more helpful" routine in the long comment. Leo-comment and more.

No expectation of any one person answering everything, that never working. I tend to come back mostly when have commented somewhere, in case there is something to reply to after that. Otherwise, have to next figure out when can read through the Vertex threads with their being so long, too. Participation capability down since whenever, and currently because of tiredness all the more.

The comment about our (lack of) interaction or awareness that'd show stems from synastry and that we haven't interacted, whether Pallas influenced or not. Not appearing to be on your radar after the start (and after no responses in general on some threads, stopping with those), so that not necessarily seeming to fit what you noted about Pallas contacts. (Not entirely sure what the "Sorry you feel this way" thing referred to, most likely because am falling asleep-level tired and can't brain right now.) As said, your email has been available for a while, so if needing to reach you, the option is there more recently now. You had a gatekeeper unwilling to relay me your email address earlier (or say if you'd asked for your address not to be passed forward, despite letting someone know about something like that would have been straightforward enough), despite my mostly "needing" your email as an "In case there's something to ask" thing. Recently there obviously hasn't been anything to ask, but time also discouraged from bothering with some threads here. Economizing as per what avenues here yielded results, whatever such. And if not coherent right now, put it down to needing 12 hours of sleep if possible.

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posted December 01, 2015 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keela,

I wasn`t aware that you had asked for my email address before. The question for it (in the email of another member) probably just slipped through, so I didn`t react to it.
Well it`s obsolete anyway, as my email address nowadays is easy to find on the site.

I know that this is not what it is about, but just wanted to clarify it.


BTW to bring this back to the astrology, from the connections you named, I donīt think we have too strong Pallas-synastry, except for the Pallas-IC-link. I don`t know our planetary synastry, but I think this needs to definitely connect to this.
Well in the Pallas-link it does, as your Pallas most probably also squares my Venus and does it oppose my Pluto on 9 Libra as well, or are the orbs too wide?

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posted December 02, 2015 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW to bring this back to the astrology, from the connections you named, I donīt think we have too strong Pallas-synastry, except for the Pallas-IC-link. I don`t know our planetary synastry, but I think this needs to definitely connect to this.
Well in the Pallas-link it does, as your Pallas most probably also squares my Venus and does it oppose my Pluto on 9 Libra as well, or are the orbs too wide?

We have loosely trine ASCs as I recall, 6.53 Leo or so for mine, and MC ~2 opp MC for basic starters, aside my late Leo Sun trine whatever all you had ~26 Sag, often touted by you in synastry to one other as I recall. NN conj Valentine, and I forget what you said you had in late Pisces and where, if it'd trine 26.09 Sco NN. Drac ASC 10 Sag conj your concentration in the area, this and that remembered offhand.

I don't remember Pallas' minutes but it's 4 R Aries, flanking 2.36 MC. Four signs and four degrees ahead for any draconic position with me. So a 5 degree opposition to your Pluto is wide, but the sextile from the draconic chart exists, same as the opposition to your nPallas. I didn't list your Pallas loosely opposing my ASC because it is so far at 9 Aquarius, even if might squeeze in under 3 degrees given the "lateness" of my ASC. Theoretically Pallas-IC and DC-Pallas at ~3 degrees though.

Question simply is, would your IC be "aware" or more the Pallas, for the closest example?

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posted December 02, 2015 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Pallas (especially as karmic justice here, per rapport to the Eros/Psyche myth) as creating a translation between Eros and Psyche and facilitating a meeting, almost like a conjunction (dispositor, mutual reception) thingy

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posted December 02, 2015 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:

Question simply is, would your IC be "aware" or more the Pallas, for the closest example?

Seems the IC would be more introspective/ receptive and Pallas the one being more actively "aware".
So that definitely was very helpful for me to get a feel for how Pallas-synastry works (and possibly how the IC works).

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posted December 02, 2015 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo,

would it possibly mean, in general terms, that I somehow get aware (my Pallas) of his Eros-archetype, while he gets aware (his Pallas) of my Psyche-archetype?

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posted December 02, 2015 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds like a wonderful idea, Ceri, Pallas as an awakening factor, a bridge of awakening. I was thinking more of Pallas as the series of karmic tests, and the eventual karmic justice, when we think of the Eros/Psyche myth...but this sounds great too.

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