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Topic: Asteroids, Dwarf Planets, Midpoint Pictures, and Chart Comparisons
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yungang_grotto
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posted November 28, 2015 02:51 PM
  
I'm beginning to really feel the dearth of information about Juno, Ceres, Chiron, Pallas and Vesta (among others!) in readily available descriptions of Midpoint pictures, so I've been practising figuring out their meaning myself, but I need all the help I can get! Your expertise, experience, logic and intuition would be very valuable in this field, if you've applied yourself in this direction or would like to explore this topic.For the sake of ease of use in Internet search engines, can we agree to include the Midpoint picture being described in our replies in standard format, ie Ascendant = Juno/North Node (NN works too)
Jupiter = Neptune/Midheaven (MC works too)
Asc = Chiron/Hygieia
Chiron = Pallas/Amor
Sun= Mars/Vesta etcetera? Just a thought. Hopefully this thread can serve to amalgamate some of our collective impressions/experiences in this vast realm. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 28, 2015 02:59 PM
I should think the Asc = Chiron/Hygieia Midpoint describes excellence in healing ability. Yes? I think Chiron's abilities are highlighted and happy with Hygieia, and with the Asc here the native or couple (this is a composite Midpoint picture) will have a definite predilection towards healing. I'm interested in your opinions about Vertex in Midpoint pictures...
Vertex = Juno/North Node
Vertex = Venus/Ceres
Vertex = Moon/Ascendant Is the Vertex considered at all in Midpoint analysis? If you feel like interpreting any of the above in the context of composite charts, synastry or natals--or introducing new ones--that would be lovely. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 28, 2015 03:01 PM
It's noteworthy that I've noticed descriptions of Midpoint pictures designed for a natal interpretation apply extremely well for composites also, so we don't necessarily need to tailor or specify our interp's either way. Do you think that's so? I can see from todd's work that they do have particular applications in relationship context so the more specific the better maybe? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 28, 2015 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's noteworthy that I've noticed descriptions of Midpoint pictures designed for a natal interpretation apply extremely well for composites also,
yes, I`ve noticed that, too. At least generally speaking. of course we can specify some more. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 01:20 PM
Ceri, yes  i recall you were the first to validate that finding for me. I guess it's harder for many folks to check midpoints in depth without the appropriate software/sufficient interest. Might partly explain the lack of info/investigations. todd (and everybody! ).. got anything on any of these aspects? Only the first 3 in the first post have personal relevance to me, and the ones in the reply... but if you have any specific information of any kind to share, or guidelines you follow when interpreting midpoints in composite I would be interested in hearing. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted November 29, 2015 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I'm beginning to really feel the dearth of information about Juno, Ceres, Chiron, Pallas and Vesta (among others!) in readily available descriptions of Midpoint pictures ...
Can't say that until you've read everything that Donath has contributed.
http://www.amazon.com/Emma-Belle-Donath/e/B001KIP6IW IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 03:24 PM
Indeed! Thank you, Aubyanne! I'm searching as we speak for more on the net.. but books are where it's at. Grateful for the reference, will look into it!IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 29, 2015 03:50 PM
hmm, I even have the book (asteroids and midpoints), but nothing really comes to mind right now, have to give it another look I guess. But the very fact that I do not quite remember it must mean I was not that impressed when I read that. Maybe have to read it again with a new perspective. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 04:13 PM
If you have thoughts about Venus = Moon/vesta And Venus = vesta/vertex, please advise  I'm afraid the midpoint pictures don't all inspire confidence with this composite I'm presently obsessed with, so I'm digging a little deeper...  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 04:16 PM
It's too bad when astrology books fall below expectations. It seems like with these midpoint pictures a lot of experience in the field as well as intuition and depth and ability to sort of condense information are all important... i can guess at the significance of course... my means of determining the significance of a given midpoint is to just find the energy those two things create together (moon-vesta devotion, being at home, the home fire, comfort, affinity) and then the planet contacting the midpoint will ignite that planetary energy in that context ( venus= moon/vesta: loving and pleasant intimate and devoted sexual energy, home fires buuurnin). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 29, 2015 04:18 PM
Venus= Moon/Vesta sounds like a very devoted emotional and romantic connection to me. In fact the romantic vibe in this relationship might be expressed in a strong emotional devotion/ dedication, and well I guess there is a certain "sacredness" to it.
Also if we believe that Venus and Moon are indicative of the woman in a relationship (which I am not sold on, that theory I mean), then it probably means that especially the woman is very attached and dedicated to the relationship, as long as it seems to serve a spiritual purpose.
Venus = Vesta/Vertex (does that Mean Moon is conjunct Vertex?)
well it seems like the romantic connection brings a spiritual turning point, or that there is something sudden, surprising, inexplicalbe to the romantic relationship. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 04:24 PM
Yes... especially the woman, i think it's perhaps somewhat true here.. although in our relating he is quite Venusian... and his moon matters, very much, in his chart I think... I share your skepticism... the feminine aspects of ourselves are highlighted perhaps. thank you, that's a wonderful interpretation. Moon and vertex are opposite one another, quite tight orb.. Moon is conjunct Amor and several degrees wide of a conjunction with the ascendant. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 04:28 PM
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from Ceridwen:
Venus = Vesta/Vertex (does that Mean Moon is conjunct Vertex?) well it seems like the romantic connection brings a spiritual turning point, or that there is something sudden, surprising, inexplicalbe to the romantic relationship.
Excellent! I wouldn't have been able to conceptualize it like that. That seems very accurate. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 29, 2015 04:45 PM
What do you think aboutJuno=Venus/Jupiter
Juno = Venus/Lilith with Juno on 29 Pisces, hence under a degree of the Aries Point.
ohb and also
Juno=Mars/Lilith
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yungang_grotto
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posted November 29, 2015 05:10 PM
Will come back to this, and ponder in the mean time. Just heading out the door.. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 30, 2015 04:28 PM
Juno= Venus/JupiterBringing a joyful, pleasant attitude around seriously felt commitment. The liklihood that a serious relationship will be given a lot of freedom to express love and be expansive and joyful within that context. Juno= Venus/Lilith The possibility that a desire for commitment and loyalty will infuse a deeply felt urge towards love-making on a primal level... a sensitive and delicate balance is easily upset by passionate feelings; difficulty with feeling rejected/"the other woman" IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted November 30, 2015 04:30 PM
^Possibly, the most intense and primal love nature
being expressed within certain contexts; the tension which arises when contexts are not favourable (see above)IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 01, 2015 02:00 AM
Thank you, yes I can see how that would make sense. I also noticed that the composite has an intriguing triple asteroid conjunction of: VESTA 14°16 Aquarius
PSYCHE 14°55 Aquarius
PALLAS 15°43 Aquarius with AMOR a bit further away
AMOR 18°13 Aquarius (and in fact Sun on 22°37 Aquarius Mercury on 10°32 Aquarius
Venus on 10°01 Aquarius Mars on 03°39 Aquarius)
almost looks like the universe wanted to squeeze as much as possible into Aquarius. 
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yungang_grotto
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posted December 01, 2015 09:18 AM
Wow, Vesta-Psyche-Pallas! That's pretty interesting. Kind of conjures an image of several very interesting, very powerful, and yet quite different and unique women putting their heads/hearts/beings together and making a special kind of magic.. and yes, Aquarius ftw! I have a sort of similar emphasis on Aquarius in the composite with my friend. I wonder what the significance of Aquarius in composite is? Honestly I largely ignore signs when contemplating but they certainly give an interesting layer to things... and no doubt the confluence of all these planets/points/roids in one area must be significant! We've Sun, Mercury, Asc, Moon-Diana-Amor... maybe more I'm not thinking of... in Aquarius (in the 12th, sigh-except the Asc of course--but his 12th house is so chock full in his natal that I really can't help wondering if it sort of just suits us. Wondering if this kind of thing, house placement in composite, is also relevant to the natals, you know? Can't help feeling like the 12th is just very mysterious and doesn't follow all the rules though... we put our Suns in one another's sixth--he is pretty 6th house heavy also. Anyhoo.) IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted December 01, 2015 10:26 AM
Juno = Mars/Lilith seems very intense. Strong liklihood of an issue of sexual dominance/violence being compounded or irritated by a sense of duty; the idea that to be together at all costs does in fact have a high cost. Destructive tendencies in matrimonial contexts; infidelity... something like that. Possibility that very strong sexual urges will be consummated only within the context of matrimony/strong commitment; alternately, a tension which is resolved through unwavering commitment. Lots of ways to look at this one. Juno sticks it out through thick and thin right? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 01, 2015 11:21 AM
Yun, the composite is what I call an "entertainment"or "eye/ear/mind-candy"-composite.
"Wow, Vesta-Psyche-Pallas!"
I thought so. Natally we both have Psyche and Pallas in Aquarius, his is conjunct my Psyche, mine is a tad wide to be called conjunct his Psyche (about 4 degrees)
" That's pretty interesting. Kind of conjures an image of several very interesting, very powerful, and yet quite different and unique women putting their heads/hearts/beings together and making a special kind of magic.."
LOL
I like that image!
In fact it sort of reflects my natal, as i have some feminine symbols in Aquarius. PALLAS 10 Aqua
Moon 17 Aqua
mean Lilith 24 Aqua
Psyche 24 Aqua (natural and true Lilith 27 and 28 Aqua). as you can see however, the angular distance is the same between Moon and Pallas on one side and the Psyche-Lilith-conjunction on the other side, hence putting my Moon on the Pallas/Psyche-mp and Pallas/Lilith-mp.
I kinda like that. Very independent feminine archetype right there, maybe to my detriment even (in relationshipsense), but it also has its strengths.
"I wonder what the significance of Aquarius in composite is? "
Depends if we believe the signbackground counts.
If so, I think it gives a very independent thinking vibration, freedom, friendship, individuality, but also sort of an interconnection on a more global, transdimensional, no I meant transpersonal level (not sure why I wrote transdimensional, but usually my Freudian slips mean something so I will not correct it). "Can't help feeling like the 12th is just very mysterious and doesn't follow all the rules though..."
At least not earth-rules. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 01, 2015 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Juno sticks it out through thick and thin right?
Yes, I think so.
I also think Juno and Lilith, as different they are, are both big on fighting for equality, so I guess this would figure in as well. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted December 01, 2015 12:16 PM
"In fact it sort of reflects my natal, as i have some feminine symbols in Aquarius.PALLAS 10 Aqua
Moon 17 Aqua
mean Lilith 24 Aqua
Psyche 24 Aqua (natural and true Lilith 27 and 28 Aqua). as you can see however, the angular distance is the same between Moon and Pallas on one side and the Psyche-Lilith-conjunction on the other side, hence putting my Moon on the Pallas/Psyche-mp and Pallas/Lilith-mp.
I kinda like that. Very independent feminine archetype right there, maybe to my detriment even (in relationshipsense), but it also has its strengths."
Indeed! I was wondering about your relationship with Lilith. Makes sense that you could respond in a cool collected way to energies which could otherwise be
particularly volatile.. Lilith ones that is. You're comfortable in that realm... yes, independent! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 01, 2015 12:26 PM
Yes, maybe that is why.
Lilith, while I do not underestimate her, does nto feel dangerous or strange to me.
Like every other object in astrology she has her place and purpose. And what she represents to me above everything else is the insisting on the uncompromising truth, even if it is nasty, ugly, you don`t want to see it (about yourself) and not socially accepted.
Well, we will see my pVenus is applying to a conjunction with my nLilith. and p Lilith(true) is applying to conjunct my nMoon.
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yungang_grotto
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posted December 01, 2015 12:29 PM
^^Time for unflinching nitty gritty truth! Wow! Potent.IP: Logged |
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