posted December 08, 2015 06:49 PM            

I'll gladly provide feedback. I suggested you have a look months ago, but noticed you never took me up on my offer.

Anyhow, this is a fairly straightforward, less frills one; conveys our most essential nature and influences, I think.

I've been genuinely curious how you see it, as our methods are so different in style. Then I'll have some specific questions for you, as your predictive work intrigues me (using the NODES as ultimate timers in composite work). I'm surprised you don't progress the composite as well? Just to get a more accurate sense of timing.

posted December 08, 2015 11:42 PM            

In my take on things... my impression is this connection was fun and fascinating on a sexual and romantic level, for some time.
However, I'm pretty certain that it was not long term, not "official", not an engagement or marriage etc... and not an official partnership of any sort.

It's doubtful that you can communicate much or that you have much in common, although the physical chemistry is "sweet" - and makes things fun.
You'd have a good time together at a party, but you wouldn't want to live together or work together.

I would say this relationship fizzled out in under a year - unless it happens to be a family or work connection - where you really had no choice but to continue seeing each other.

posted December 08, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Can I say something? With that Moon square Mars is the woman not satisfied sexually in this connection? Like sexually frustrated? That's how I would interpret that.

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I feel you but by that logic it could also be the other way around the man not been satisfied, both I imagine are at odds in this sense like feeling horny at different times, their rhythms not in sync type of thing.

posted December 09, 2015 12:01 AM            

Plus its showing the woman is very intense with the trine to Pluto and may be very sexual but isn't able to express herself with him. Not to mention Eros conjunct Moon!

Also Venus is in a wide square to Mars somewhat reinforcing the sexual dissatisfaction.

posted December 09, 2015 03:39 AM            

I'll start with your contributions, Odette.

This is the composite, actually, of a five-year relationship which became as official as it's able two years ago. I say 'as it's able', given that this man, Jack, and I are in as committed of a relationship we can be, with my being married -- engaged, even the day we met. He has officially, and quite recently, however, proposed to me, should my husband and I decide that we aren't as well matched for what we're seeking. Even still, Jack remains supportive of my marriage, insofar as my husband is treating me with the respect and appreciation I deserve. And, even though he has no intention to marry outside of me, should nothing change, nothing will change. Our unconventional relationship will continue in these polyamorous circumstances, perhaps with a greater understanding held by all involved. We'll see.

So, in terms of longevity, it's definitely long term. Were you thinking that URA rising like that was a clear signal of an exciting fling? I could see that.

As to commonality or shared interests, there's actually very little we don't have in common. He stayed with me while my husband was at a convention with his girlfriend Hallowe'en, and then again when he went back to our hometown to visit his father in the hospital (he's very old; he'd had a stroke and was recovering). The time that Jack and I shared those 5 days was nothing short of surreal. It was oddly perfect. Like being transported to another world. We peacefully worked in each other's presence on our freelance jobs, frequently pausing to interact, share a meal or have some deeply inspiring conversation. It was magical.

No doubt that was the true tipping point for him; before, we'd had wonderful interactions, but this was the first long stretch of time, day-in, and day-out, in which we were in each other's presence. Realising we could cohabit so peacefully and happily was a big revelation.

Now, you'd mentioned sex. (As well you had, too, Athene.) What a huge topic that one is! Ohhhh, yes. That's been a journey in and of itself, full of fits and starts with plenty of complications on both sides. But, we never gave it up. We approached everything with complete honesty, no expectations, and being fully willing to bypass a sexual relationship together if either truly desired it. But neither of us ever truly did. We always wanted to find ways to make it work, or to keep trying, even in the face of years of disappointment.

Why?

Genuine love and devotion to each other -- shmaltzy as that is. We wanted to have this form of expression, and outlet for the quietly overwhelming sexual chemistry. Though the relationship was never once about sex. The sexual relationship specifically, yes, but that was for many other reasons that we attempted it.

So, satisfaction? Depends upon your definition. We were both bringing some hefty sexual dysfunction to the table, along with his great inexperience and my chronic condition. Fun stuff. So that may be the MARS-MOON square in action there.

But once we worked through it all? I can legitimately say, despite my own limited experience, I had NO concept of sex being able to be anything like this. I'm not for a pleasure cruise, you know? I want a deep, complete merging of all that I am with my partner. It's tantric. It's profoundly spiritual. We've stopped time -- more than a few times. 'Time waits for us, my dear,' was his thoughtful explanation after a time. Now it's a sweet thing we share that's unique to us.

We did notice, in spite of everything taking a lot of sorting through, that we fit together so perfectly, like we were designed as a set. I don't just climax; all that I am collapses beneath him, and he holds me through this intense transformation, as I slowly regain full consciousness and return to myself. He's all that does it. Just his being; the way he moves, precisely in the ways he needs to, that leads me to experience this depth of orgasmic response. Our rhythm isn't just in sync, it's matched.

We don't need to do this often, either. We do enjoy it, though. Afterwards, we both feel the intensified intimacy, and like the powerful exchange that the act itself provides us. Things we can't put into words, so we don't even try. Now we just enjoy each other.

That might be the EROS-MOON part of it.

I'm intrigued, Odette, that nothing really hits our natals dead on outside of the composite ASC being conjunct his MARS and my PLUTO. His MOON is conjunct the DSC, too, however, 0°30. And if we're stretching orbs, my SUN is on the ASC, 3°. The composite SUN does widely hit his VENUS, but his JUNO smack on, 0°.

Not much the composite MOON is doing for either of us. Not much going on with early Aquarius for either of us, outside of it being conjunct the tSUN when we met. And we met on an extremely significant, quite fated, and synchronistic date. So the composite MOON being 'keyed' into that, outside of expressing our otherwise friendly, somewhat detached, unconventional, and unique relating style does make sense. We're both asexual schizoids, after all. You're gonna get some detachment in there, no matter what.

I think our 11H JUNO-VALENTINE-MERC speaks volumes, though. As he says we're 'twins linked at the muse'. That's a very good description for it, and I think a lot to do with that stellium.

Whew! That was a lot!

posted December 09, 2015 03:43 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Although the connection may be dreamy with Neptune trine Venus..

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It is! Truly magical feeling, so much of the time. We also have a Grand Fire Trine with his MOON-BML conjunct my PRIAPUS trine his VENUS conjunct my NNODE trine my NEPTUNE. His 5H, my 8H; his 9H, my 12H; and his 1H, my 4H.

posted December 09, 2015 04:17 AM            

So this is a case of composite and reality not completely matching. I wonder how often this happens.

I still think it would be interesting to see Todd's interpretation with relevance to midpoints..

Edit: how can it not be truly magical with that butterfly ❤️

posted December 09, 2015 04:37 AM            

Here's two different 'variations' on our synastry:

Lemme know if you need degrees. I can easily grab that, too.

posted December 09, 2015 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Unless one picks "aspect lines to all" there are no lines to angles. Besides, sometimes lines that should be there end up not being shown for some reason. If you're not very good at reading the wheel I advise you to always look up the tables.

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posted December 09, 2015 07:19 PM            

And the Chiron on the DES.

How does it play out for you?

posted December 09, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Her Saturn is conjunct his MC, sextile ASC, square Sun, possibly quincunx NN. His Saturn is sextile her MC and there appears to be a quincunx to her ASC.

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Bingo. To all of the above.

And not conjunct my MOON. (Of which I've stated a few times, I'm none too fond.)

Yeah, it's not SATURN binding us; not this inescapable sense of heavy relating. There's no obligation bearing down. We've honestly been in each other's lives as long as we have just out of wanting to. Out of companionship, shared ideals, enjoyment of our time together, and -- really -- there being no expectation of it; no obligation to be.

Very different from the kind of feeling from a heavy SATURN-luminary link. That sense the person is just THERE, in your life, whether you want them there, or they even want to be there -- or not.

I've come to call my ex-producing partner, the big karmic soulmate 'my brother' because I just know we'll be bickering octogenarians, still arguing about stupid crap.

posted December 09, 2015 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
I'm very curious about the Neptune square to Venus, if I see that right?

And the Chiron on the DES.

How does it play out for you?

After all that I've heard, I'm scared that bad Neptune aspects equal rubbish relationship
For me personally, Saturn square Mars is the absolute No Go.
Pluto Squares are even worse….I can't handle aggression well…..
But does Neptune / Venus really only imply the bad things like cheating, total delusion and not being able to see the other? What else could it mean, even as a challenging aspect?

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Huh. Y'know, I never really considered a VENUS square NEPTUNE in the composite. I guess because of the wide orb. Well, even at that wide orb, should we consider it present, I'd have to say it could lightly contribute to the complicated circumstances -- my being married, namely. (Well. Engaged. But later married.)

Delusion? I guess you need a bit of it in order to truly fight for an 'impossible love', yeah? That kind of passionate hope or belief that maybe -- just maybe -- it could happen. Fortunately, it was immediately requited, and we were both fighting. If it wasn't, and just one was dedicated, that's a major issue.

CHIRON on the DSC is interesting. It's not the first time it's popped up, either. I've actually studied this one in depth, so if you don't mind a little recap, I'm happy to take you back down that road with me, explaining how it's all sorted out, comparatively. Nice to have comparisons, right?

It's really just a semantical argument that can be simplified mathematically. (Oooh, maths! Heh.)

DSC [ relationship ]
CHIRON [ healing / wound ]
VERTEX [ fate / destiny ]

With my ex-producing partner, we had:

DSC = CHIRON / VERTEX

Algebraically even, we can create a distinct set of variables which require balancing.

DSC | CHIRON + VERTEX

Which, broken down, creates a lot of possible directions:

Relationship = Healing + Fate
Relationship = Wound + Destiny

... which can create a very different picture. Is it fated healing that brings relationship, or does the relationship promise destined wounding? Tricky.

With Jack, it's different:

CHIRON = VERTEX / DSC

or

Healing / Wound = Fate + Relationship

posted December 10, 2015 11:39 AM            

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Yeah, it's not SATURN binding us; not this inescapable sense of heavy relating. There's no obligation bearing down. We've honestly been in each other's lives as long as we have just out of wanting to. Out of companionship, shared ideals, enjoyment of our time together, and -- really -- there being no expectation of it; no obligation to be.

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posted December 22, 2015 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:

Me like.

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Meeeee, toooooo.

posted December 22, 2015 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

I would say this relationship fizzled out in under a year - unless it happens to be a family or work connection - where you really had no choice but to continue seeing each other.

Am I close at all? 🐳

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posted December 22, 2015 04:40 PM            

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I'm curious to know why Todd never took you up on your offer, especially when he's so quick to respond to other posts.

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With all due respect, and while I hate to sound critical in any way....other posts do not present themselves as tests. Maybe he's not interested in being tested. It assumes, right away, that the tester is superior and will be the final judge.

Aubyanne is phenomenal, but it's easy to see why todd wouldn't go for this challenge. He usually acts out of generosity and for the sake of exploration, not to prove himself. Which would have to be his intent here.

posted December 22, 2015 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Maybe he's not interested in being tested.

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Huh. Maybe he isn't. (And, I do appreciate this, and what you've said, Faith.) I think you're right. Todd's readings tend to be on composites where no established relationship is stated, which confirms your hypothesis that he's really not that interested in accuracy as much as he's exploring.

And that's totally fine. I was mistaken that he was a professional bandying about, rather than more in the learning stage of things.

posted December 22, 2015 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Marandana:
how can you see the timing of a relationship? how long will it last? just looking at saturn aspects? or...?

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