posted December 30, 2015 02:31 AM            

Often the composite chart is described as a "chart of the relationship" that only comes into play when there exists an established or official relationship between two people... or at the very least, when two people get close enough for their energies to merge into a "whole", so to speak.

Then we have the ... let's call them "rebels"... who will say this is not the case. Because there are always people who go against the grain, and astrology is no exception lol

And generally the rebels will say that actually - both the synastry aspects and the composite aspects can play an important role - from the very beginning, in the interaction/connection between two people.
So, in this case we're told - the composite "energy" might even pop-up on a first date!

So far, so good!

So... This is what I'm thinking..
I've been experiencing some interesting situations in my life, with different people (both new people who have just come into my life, and older friends)... and I'm starting to think that - the synastry/composite dynamics.. and what is actually more *obvious* or relevant - changes on a case by case basis.

Basically, I'm starting to think that there is no set rule to - whether the synastry or composite is more relevant - or whether one will be more obvious than the other at particular stages of the relationship.

In my opinion... it depends on which chart has the closest and most significant aspects.

For instance, I remember having a lot of interesting/intense aspects in my synastry with a certain person - but the composite seemed "empty".. everything was disjointed and there were next to *no* close aspects.
And with this person - I must say the synastry between us was extremely obvious from beginning to end. The synastry aspects played out 100%... because our energies never had a chance to really "merge". We didn't even have a desire to merge our energies... since the composite was so "cold" and "empty".
I'm not sure if this makes complete sense..
But perhaps some energies are not - meant - to merge, or perhaps some people make a conscious choice not to completely "merge" (even if they are married or best friends).

This ^ is not a good thing or a bad thing... It's simply *is*.

Sometimes you will see couples who are together for a long time – with an unremarkable composite.. and wonder how in the world they got together and how things managed to last.
I think the answer to this - is that - a "meaningless" composite... is just that - meaningless.
So (when the composite is kind of bland) - the synastry between the two will be the main chart to look at for the dynamics between them and how their relationship functions.

Conversely, when the composite has a lot of significant (and close) aspects - this will pull people together. The pull of a strong composite is so intense - that you feel like you *want* to merge and create "something"... a whole.
And *yes* in my opinion - you can feel this way very quickly upon meeting. It doesn't have to happen years later or whenever you make the relationship "official".

I have a bunch of composite examples where we had either an exact Sun/Moon conjunction opposite Venus, or an exact Sun/Venus conjunction opposite the Moon - or the famous Sun/Mercury/Venus stellium etc... and these composite aspects were very very *obvious* to us from the start.
Because we instantly wanted to be extremely close.. and we acted in unison on many levels... and also (often) had the desire to work together or "create" something together.

The synastry didn't always point to this ^.
In some of these relationships, the synastry was the "bland" chart.
My impression is that the composite was a lot more obvious - in those cases where the synastry was seemingly "bland".

To cut a long story short these are the different options I have in mind:

- A weak/bland synastry - and an intense composite... in which case the composite will be much more noticeable. In this case the people will actually want to be very close, to the point of creating a "whole".. being an "us".

- A weak/bland composite - and an intense synastry.. in which case the synastry will be more noticeable.. and the people will always feel like they maintain their individuality in the relationship (so they don't "merge" as such).
This connection can still be long-lasting. It's just that the composite won't stand out in any way, or be very relevant.

- An intense synastry *plus* an intense composite... which is the most soulmate/karmic type scenario, where you can instantly feel very bonded to someone and that connection lasts throughout time (whether it is positive/happy or alternatively, "toxic"..)

- A bland synastry *plus* a bland composite... in which case, you're probably not together at all, so let's just put this option on the back burner! lol

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Ok... Reading that back ^ I realised I didn't really explain what I mean by "bland" or "intense".

When you read this (specially if you happen to be new to astrology) I don't want you to get confused and think I am referring to one chart being more positive and the other more negative...
This isn't at all what I mean to imply!

So for example... the synastry could have positive aspects - like several trines, maybe a couple of conjunctions.. all with fairly wide orbs - but nothing that really *stands* out.
There might be a lack of angle-2-angle aspects (AC/DC/MC/IC), or personal planet-2-angle aspects... a lack of Saturn-2-personal planet aspects... a lack of close connections at the Sun/Moon/Mercury level... etc.

The composite ^ for the same couple might have some very obvious *stand out* aspects... e.g. Moon exactly conjunct MC, in a t-square with Mars and Pluto (all within a 0' orb)...

I'm just improvising... But basically ^ this scenario would be one where the composite has an emotionally *intense*/stand-out configuration... whereas the synastry is bland.

The fact that the synastry seems positive - while the composite seems negative is not all that relevant.... Because the chart with the closest and most intense aspects is the chart - that will be most evident.

So however "nice" (though bland) the synastry might seem... these people can have a kind of energy between them that - will actually be extremely volatile and possibly aggressive, quite likely from the very beginning of their interaction (not years into knowing each other).

Because what I believe happens is... when you have close/stand-out type aspects or configurations in the composite chart... the people will "merge".. This simply -happens- for better or worse... whether the outcome is positive or negative - It doesn't change the fact that - their energies will instantly "bond" together and create a kind of energy between them that is -palpable-.

For instance, the example I gave - reminds me of the expression "you could cut the tension with a knife".

In a composite with the Moon/Mars/Pluto t-square - the energy created between two people.. could be such that others around them describe it as: "you could cut the tension with a knife"
And that's - even if the people in question only met *hours* ago!

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I won't go on giving further examples, because I don't know how interested people are in this whole topic.
Please let me know your thoughts - and ask me any questions, if you need clarification!!

I think I made this way too long lol

posted December 30, 2015 10:28 AM            

I can totally appreciate your take on this. There are so many different ways to go about deciphering what is most prevalent between synastries and composites, but really, it all comes down to what we, as astrologers or students observe in our own lives and the lives of others. That's why I was probing for answers on similar thread. Everyone will have their own set of experiences and ideas of "what works" and I'm really intrigued by what fuels this.

posted January 04, 2016 07:02 PM            

as I am one of the rebels I will give you my take on what a composite symbolizes. I use the analogy of two stones through into a placid pond.they both create waves . and when these wave hit each other a third wave patter nis created which is function of the first two but has it's own period etc.
to me the composite is symbolic of the auras of the individuals interacting. within this view, the composite exist regardless if the individuals met.as the composite is function of their auras interactions.
but is more abstract than this because I have found that a moment chart and a natal chart will give exact information combining the transiting energies with the individuals chart/life at the time of the moment chart.

posted January 05, 2016 02:08 AM            

It totally makes sense in my mind that the most intense (tight orb) chart would be the most dominating influence in the relationship, whether it be the synastry wheel or the composite. Stronger synastry would be about the dynamic between two individuals, while stronger composite would be about merging into a 'whole' together. Each relationship would be different depending on the relative strength of their composite vs their synastry.

So yeah, those with an intense synastry, plus an intense composite, would have a very powerful and moving connection. But those with loose orb synastry, plus a loose orb composite, are not likely to be interested in each other at all.

Most relationships probably fall somewhere in between these two extremes. For instance, you could take medium strength synastry with a few strong aspects but also some unaspected planets (lets just say that one partner has Venus unaspected, while the other has Mercury unaspected), and add it to an also medium strength composite (lets just say there is a Mercury/Venus conjunction in the composite that makes up for what the synastry lacks, but not much else going on composite-wise). In this type of situation, you'd get a couple who has a strong 'one on one' dynamic in particular areas of the relationship, combined with a strong sense of being merged in different areas of their relationship (the Venus/Mercury part of their composite would make them feel as if they function as one in this area). Certain areas of a relationship might experienced as two individuals pressing each other's buttons, while other areas might be experienced as a type of merging into one purpose together. There are so many different ways it could play out as a result of the relative intensity of composite and synastry influences.

Personally, I'm a big fan of strong synastry. That maybe because I like feeling my own energy being activated in comparison to someone else. For some, simply a strong composite might possibly be enough.

I also tend to think that a composite chart is similar in effect to synastry. Meaning, the moment we know the other person exists we can potentially sense elements of either the synastry or the composite (depending on which is stronger, or even on which particular aspects in each one are stronger). Even if the other person does not know we exist, I think we could still sense the composite we share with them if it's a strong one. Like if they're a writer or a singer, when we read or listen to them there could still be that sensation of 'merging' there.

Actually, I highly suspect that both synastry and composites can be active even if neither person knows the other exists, at least in a personal way. Lets just say you have a Venus/Mars trine in a composite with a graffiti artist. You might find yourself getting a thrill out of their murals, while also finding yourself inspired to make your own additions to these murals (if you could) so they can be 'completed'. Like you'd feel an urge to team up with this person, and their graffiti art, even if you hadn't the slightest idea who they were personally. Or you could have Saturn square Pluto in synastry with an upper manager in your company that you've never met, and they could be consistently implementing rules conflict with your own take on what needs to happen in the workplace. Though you've never met this person and don't know their name, they can still annoy you.

posted January 05, 2016 11:38 AM            

I loved your analysis and breakthrough when it comes to synastry vs. the composite.

I agree certainly that a tight orb synastry and/or composite will defently take a major influence between the dynamic of both individual's energy. What, how, and why are they played in interaction with another. They are important so important especially when it comes to transits.

In addition to your theory I also find what is helpful not just how significant the synastry and composite is but also in regards to finding out whether that PERSON is going to take a role in the next year or month or so in our "romantic" life or not. What kind of person will they be in our life for 2016? how they will effect us in 2016? How we will effect them in 2016? I' m experimenting and writing a prediction technique that we astrologers can use to also find out how, what and why this person is going to be effected during that year and there contribution towards that by using planetary triggers involving natal, progressed charts, composite, progressed composites and certainly transits (moment charts).

I agree on this "Basically, I'm starting to think that there is no set rule to - whether the synastry or composite is more relevant - or whether one will be more obvious than the other at particular stages of the relationship."

posted January 05, 2016 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
In addition to your theory I also find what is helpful not just how significant the synastry and composite is but also in regards to finding out whether that PERSON is going to take a role in the next year or month or so in our "romantic" life or not. What kind of person will they be in our life for 2016? how they will effect us in 2016? How we will effect them in 2016? I' m experimenting and writing a prediction technique that we astrologers can use to also find out how, what and why this person is going to be effected during that year and there contribution towards that by using planetary triggers involving natal, progressed charts, composite, progressed composites and certainly transits (moment charts).

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angel4845,

posted January 06, 2016 05:15 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted January 06, 2016 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
angel4845,

Are you talking about solar returns and progressed charts in comparison to each other?

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Yes not just the solar return but also lunar returns and venus return. Progressed SYNASTRY and progressed to natal synastry.

Im on the same page with Ceridwen.

posted January 06, 2016 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Angel
Good idea about the rreturns.i wonder if the return of ruler 7 and ruler 5 (which is venus for me Anyway ) be significant. Also lunar return would be signifying one month so we need to cast at least 12 / 13per year

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yes indeed ! I'm keeping a diary and seeing how the solar and venus return goes for me i will let you know my results by november and lunar returns are amazing

posted January 06, 2016 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My lunar return for february looks shocking
It has a New moon (2 degrees )and a Venus Pluto conjunction

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Seems great to me does anyone in mind romantically speaking aspect it in anyway?? I'd be very curious if the New Moon aspects anything

posted January 06, 2016 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Why does the forum look wacky?

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i knowwwwww

posted January 07, 2016 07:56 AM            

nope, noone comes to mind, the Sun is on 19 Aqua, Moon on 17 Aqua, in 10th house.

Venus on 19 Cap and Pluto on 16 Cap.

Also an exact Jupiter-NN-conjunction on 21/22 Virgo in 5th house

But Saturn, dispositor of the Venus-Mercury-Pluto (Mercury-23 Cap, Venus 19 Cap, Pluto 16 Cap) is on the DESC, conj. by 2 degrees, with the ASC conjunct my natal DESC widely (5 degrees) and the DESC on my natal NN (2 degrees)

Still I like the ruler of DESC, Jupiter, conjunct NN in 5th house, even though in Virgo,.

Saturn despite being on 7th house cusp is not making too much stress there (it is a breathing pause for me, after Saturn having transited my early Sag positions and before starting to pass over my later Sag-positions) sextiles Moon (and Sun at 4 degrees) and trines Uranus at 2 degrees.
Uranus is sextile Moon exact, too.

Mars squares Sun and Moon closely, but also sextiles Venus exactly and Pluto closely.