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margym0o
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posted January 27, 2016 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This couple has been together since '09, got married in '14 and now have a baby together. Their relationship seems pretty stable and the wife claims they rarely really argue about anything. They're both homebodies and keep to themselves for the most part (not the most social couple). They both definitely enjoy the finer things in life.

Both of their Mercuries are unaspected, and her Venus/Saturn combo is unaspected. Her birth time is not 100% but she said it's pretty close so the house overlays are ok.

All in all it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot going on...unless I'm missing something???

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posted January 27, 2016 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check their composite. That may reveal whats going on.

Whos red and who's blue? I was also gonna say that the house overlays can be something but i wouldn't know if the birth time is not accurate

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posted January 27, 2016 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Check their composite. That may reveal whats going on.

Whos red and who's blue? I was also gonna say that the house overlays can be something but i wouldn't know if the birth time is not accurate


She's inside. Her birth time is pretty close and knowing her I'd say her house placements are probably right.

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posted January 27, 2016 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's an earth/water type.

Mars in Capricorn + Moon in 2H - down to earth, practical
Venus conjunct Saturn in Scorpio - reserved, private, a bit cold

They like finer things in life. What could be responsible for that?

Her: Sun/Mercury conjunction in Libra, 2H Moon. Big deal is that almost all her planets are in top half of the chart - she cares about what people think about her, socially oriented.

Him: Leo Moon and Venus. Gemini Sun and Mars. Very nice combination of fire and air signs to make a person curious about everything in life, energetic and passionate.

The lady is the boss. Her husband is more than happy to share her interests and take part in social outings with her. He will enjoy all that, learn about it and develop new interest in the course. I say she's very lucky

House placements are ok. For him she is someone to look up to (10H Sun/Mercury), a good friend (11H Venus + Moon in 3H), the attraction is there - her sexual planet Mars in his 1H in good aspect to his Pluto. For her he's a classic astro-mate - lover and a partner (5h + 7H).

I can't tell much about aspects from the wheel. Do you have an aspect grid maybe? I think her Libra Sun/Mercury is communicating with his Gemini Sun/Mars. Two air signs, this is very good, aspected or not!

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posted January 27, 2016 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adding to that, his 7th ruler is other node. Very familiar, karmic connection.

His gem sun is in 7th making him more codependent and relationship oriented than other gem Suns, reflecting her libra energy.
His sun opposes Neptune, mirroring her Pisces moon

His moon and Venus are in 8th. Her moon in 2nd. Kinda mirroring energy here. He likes to experience emotional depth, is private and loyal. She's stable.

Her moon square his sun and Mars. That's significant because her moon is 7th ruler.

He confuses, challenges her yet he seems upbeat and exciting. That's how you keep a Pisces moon lol.

This couple seems zany, artistic and easy going. But there's lot of emotional depth under the surface.

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posted January 28, 2016 01:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The chart doesn't bode well for longevity, I'm afraid. There is a strong resonance between their Mercuries, with same disp and sign/house symbolism; there is a widish Venus/Venus sq, still there are important parts in each chart that are not covered by the other.

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posted January 28, 2016 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The chart doesn't bode well for longevity, I'm afraid. There is a strong resonance between their Mercuries, with same disp and sign/house symbolism; there is a widish Venus/Venus sq, still there are important parts in each chart that are not covered by the other.

what would you consider longevity?

They have been together for 7 years. That's a relatively long relationship, no?

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posted January 28, 2016 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If his Vertex is indeed conjunct her ASC-DSC Axis I don't see why not.

I see Mars and Venus action with the outer planets...

Can be enough for some people who knows....

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posted January 28, 2016 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perfect progressed ride, with aspects smoothly following one after another, & no gap in between;

pVenus/nMars trine (under which they got together in '09)

pVenus/nMars opp.

pVenus/nSun opp. (separating by 0,5 currently)


pMars/nVenus trine (applying by 3'15 now)


^ might be a noticeable gap. pMars is a slow one.

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posted January 28, 2016 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mir,

how do work it out just from synastry wheel without dobs? Whose Mars and whose Venus?

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posted January 28, 2016 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ the exact data are pretty easy to find via astro.com. Just focus on the North-Node at first to find the birth-year and then Sun/Moon/Asc. Without a birth-place it's ofcourse a bit difficult to find the exact angles but that isn't exactly necessary to get the progressed key elements. When a case interests me, this is the way.

Chronologically (from above);
- his pVenus
- her pVenus
- her pVenus
- his pMars

(she's inside / I read)

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posted January 29, 2016 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
what would you consider longevity?

They have been together for 7 years. That's a relatively long relationship, no?


That's true, and I wish them many more happy years together. For me, couple longevity starts with 10 years.

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posted January 29, 2016 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's true, and I wish them many more happy years together. For me, couple longevity starts with 10 years.

LeeLoo, in your opinion, what else would compensate for her Venus/Saturn being unaspected? And their Mercuries? Would she lack that full sense of commitment or feel that something is missing? Would their communication be off?

Actually, in looking at it more closely, doesn't it seem like her Mars is lacking also? Aside from that Neptune conjunct...it's hard to tell but I think she has natal Mars/Eros conjunct and that's her Neptune that's trine to his Saturn/Pluto. AND...her Jupiter??? Wow I never saw this before.

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posted March 18, 2017 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump. Are they still together?

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posted March 19, 2017 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes very much so. Will likely be trying for their 2nd child soon if not already. I can't see them splitting up unless something dramatic happens!

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posted March 19, 2017 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Their Suns are both trine to the other's by sign which is a good indicator of compatibility between two people often blown off because of its simplicity. The Leo moon's ruler, the Sun is square the other's moon in Pisces. I find a lot of Moon squares in couples who divorced, but then again you can't divorce if you were never married. You really can't circumvent traditional astrological methods when it comes to genuine results. I'm only somewhat surprised that the Ascendants in aversion do not have harmonious reception from the sign rulers. When we look at the house overlays, we can see Red's planet favorably overlaying Blue's houses, specifically in regards to the 5th and 7th house, which often translate into perception of the planet person as an ideal romantic partner by the house person. Blue's personal planets seem to be hitting Red's 1st, 3rd, and 10th houses in comparison. These are traditionally not houses of romance but can positively manifest in the way that the house person sees opportunity to advance oneself in the world through the planet person. They may be able to easily incorporate the planet person in their visions of their own idealized future and progression of self-awareness.

While this chart indicates a detectable level of compatibility with one another, true resonance of a relationship is tested by the contact from outer planets. In a chart like this where outer planet influence is weakened, we can sometimes see that, while compatible on paper, when placed in the context of the outside world the capacity for union is in turn weakened by the influence of outer forces. No relationship happens in a vacuum.

If that's not what is happening, as seems to be the case, we can probably find supplemental outer planet contacts when we look to transits and progressed natal charts.

I would check for transits during the time of three important cornerstones of a relationship's progression: when they became of aware of one another's existence, when they started dating, and the day of their marriage. Transits are the prognosticator of when and how we get into relationships and how long they last, NOT synastry.

Then, check each individual's progressions to see if there are more significant themes between one's progressed chart and the other's natal, and vice versa. I would check progressions for the times mentioned above as well. When significant contacts are formed by progression, this can be felt very strongly, but progressions DO eventually move out of aspects and relevant sign placements, so there's that.

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posted March 20, 2017 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your insight wal2. I will have to look at all of the things you've mentioned. It's tough to really know the intimate inner-workings of a relationship and I really have no idea what their day-to-day interaction looks like. I do know at one point she mentioned they "never fight" (one of those couples) so you are led to believe there is some ease there. If you really want to go this path of thinking...his family does have some wealth and so the thought has crossed my mind that she may not be into him for genuine reasons, however I do also think it would be tough to sustain the "charade" if that's all it really was.

wal2 if you have time, I would be curious to know your thoughts on this synastry. A couple in their same circle that is due to be married this year. The female is blue.

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posted March 23, 2017 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump

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posted March 23, 2017 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I'm sorry but I missed the newest replies so I didn't see I was mentioned!

Are the birth times for this second chart accurate?

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posted March 23, 2017 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep

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posted March 25, 2017 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok! I can see why these people are going to be married right off the bat with so much Jupiter and Venus going on.

So, looking at the second chart I see the Suns in aversion. So we should look to the sign rulers to bring harmony to these planets. We can see her sun sign ruler conjunct his Sun, which is indicative of compatibility. Their sign rulers are in sextile by sign which is a harmonious aspect.

Moon opposition Moon is difficult. There are fundamental differences in what makes one another feel fulfilled, and the emotional value each one places in different areas of their life. His Moon is exalted in the sign of Taurus, so he is likely to feel less inhibited to express such emotions. Because of his exalted moon and her sun ruler under the beams of his sun, it is indicated to me that he is slightly one step ahead in leading the relationship forward, rather than her.

As I look to the Ascendant, I can again see the ASC ruler is Mercury. This makes Mercury a particularly sensitive point in her natal chart, and so when I see the conjunction to her partner's sun I can see this aspect has additional emphasis in judging their compatibility. Her Descendant ruler, on the other hand, is peregrine. This can indicate that this relationship reconciles her closer to her core identity than in bringing in the outside influence of a partner. Because he is the natural leader of the couple she should be careful not to assume too much self-identification in the partnership. Having a separate identity outside of a partnership is beneficial for more reasons and knowing your own self is beneficial in a partnership with another. There could be a potential see-saw effect between his personality and her character.

Mars square Mars is likely to spark one another off with great motivation and impetus at first, but it's hard to tone down this excess force when needed. There could be aggression between one another or infighting. Insignificant Saturn aspects are a red flag for me, with Mars square Mars at play here. Between the two malefics there exists a contrast, between aggression and suppression. Just like between the two benefics, special versus individualized attention. When Mars contacts are made in synastry, we actually LIKE Saturn thrown in there somewhere to balance out the excess energy with some restraint, provided the aspect is reasonable enough for the two to handle.

Her Jupiter aspecting his Sun, Moon, and Venus is very significant to indicate major attraction on her end. He is likely to make her feel like he is extremely special and out of this world, different from the rest. She equates his love and presence with emotional and physical experiences she's never been able to have before. He is likely to be someone who brings her a lot of fortunate experiences in life as well. This aspect is reciprocated on his end as well, as he feels his identity, inner self, and affectionate side amplified around her. He feels the same way about having new and fascinating experiences. However, she sees in him more of an opportunity, while he sees in her simply the effect of said opportunities as they have manifested.

Jupiter and Venus in aspect one another ties the two benefics. The relationship is bound to feel out of this world. There are some problems when that aspect is a square, which this couple has both ways. There is a tendency to be over-indulgent with appeasing the tastes of one another. Especially with Saturn vacant the premises, this couple needs to carefully watch finances especially but as a general rule of thumb try to avoid spoiling one another with material things and insincere displays of affection. Keep it down to earth. I like his Venus on her Midheaven and Sun, which can manifest in that she sees in him a somewhat cool head when it comes to decisions of the heart. His Jupiter also trines her Sun, which reinforces the good times they can have with one another.

This relationship could be seen by others as a picture perfect scenario, or "power couple." The advice I would give to this couple, is, that even if everything seems perfect be prepared for simply the chance that it isn't. Should a fallout ever occur between them. Jupiter does not just mean BIG fun, it can mean BIG consequences of over-indulgence. It seems the two individuals have Venus and Saturn in trine at least by sign at least, in each respective natal. I would look to transits, and certainly pick a wedding day that offers a favorable Saturn transit (asking a professional astrologer who is trained in this special request is a good idea here) in order to help promote some grounding in the relationship.

What I see in this synastry primarily is hot passion and fun times. We must note that the North Nodes are peregrine in aspect and square by sign. This indicates to me that the couple may someday go separate directions in life. This may not expressly mean divorce, but as we grow older we may eventually become curious to knock the door of the nodal axis, and here we can see people repattern relationships surrounding them which could indicate a strange shift for this couple as they grow older.

Look to see if the composite NN is conjunct to any of the personal planets of the individuals. Even if the natal NNs are lacking, composite NN natal conjunct personal planets can be somewhat of a "footprint" on the heart that can manifest in each growing through the presence of and connection with one another. This could should be wary of Mars transits as well as outer planets transiting in square to one's Moon, as it will square the other's as well.

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posted March 29, 2017 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much! I love your chart analyses. You seem to have a different spin on things than others.

I can definitely see where a lot of you've mentioned is true. Unlike the other couple, they are not shy about the fact that they argue...a lot. But, there seems to be a lot of forgiveness, as in...they can explode at each other and then burst out laughing a short while later. Jupiter at work I'm guessing? There is a very strong underlying bond there too, I'm guessing, maybe because of the other positive Sun/Moon aspects etc.

I never thought to pay much attention to rulers but I see the value in that. Her Moon (and Moon ruler!) trine his Sun, his Moon ruler conjunct her Sun. There is a lots to say when rulers are taken into account.

They are both very Saturnian by nature so maybe that helps? Yes, her Venus/Saturn is trine almost exact and his loosely.

You mentioned their NN's are square by sign, but their NN RULERS are trine...does this even matter or is that really far reaching?

Also, what does peregrine mean? Sorry :/

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