posted February 10, 2016 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The repeating pattern of Venus-DSC connections sounds like a promising relationship indeed. It sounds to me like you know what this means but in terms of progressions it means this was the moment he was being primed by the universe to begin to consider Venusian matters. It's still a long climb to the MC... when we look at transits or progressions to the descendant sometimes folks will say that this is the beginning of that energy manifesting outwardly... everything hence has been below the horizon, inward--in the case of the progressed chart, he has been happily puttering away at this-and-that, in the surprisingly sensitive 6th house--wrapping up personal matters and setting everything in order in terms of his relatability and sensuality... yet now Venus is bursting onto the scene in the house of the other and he needs to contend with these energies coming from somebody else--no longer under his careful control (6th)-- but into the realm of visibility and sunlight.

So it makes sense he's scared, it makes sense he's attracted... there is very pronounced tone of love and romance and appreciation in this relationship. That can be the scariest thing of all for some people! It requires a lot of strength and vulnerability to allow the "other" to express themselves and to turn us on. It is a great adventure. Would need to see the charts to know more.

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posted February 10, 2016 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
So it makes sense he's scared, it makes sense he's attracted... there is very pronounced tone of love and romance and appreciation in this relationship. That can be the scariest thing of all for some people! It requires a lot of strength and vulnerability to allow the "other" to express themselves and to turn us on. It is a great adventure. Would need to see the charts to know more.

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I'm posting the charts here. My difficulty is interpreting the aspects formed between the transits/progressions and the natal charts.

Composite

His chart

posted February 10, 2016 10:54 PM            

Pluto-Juno is very intense. I don't know what else to say about it. The relationship is likely to constantly cause them to upheave issues from the past, dredge up their hurts pains and frustrations and examine them unrelentingly until they are cleansed and purified.

I think you have a better handle on all this than I do I'm just glancing and replying...

posted February 11, 2016 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
From a glance at the composite, it's a very strong transformative relationship for sure. Venus is well aspected and powerfully placed near the descendant. Saturn square the ascendant/descendant is just as significant as the Venus square and speaks of the necessity for integration of Saturn's principles into the fabric of the relationship--hard work but they might both be up for it given their natal Saturn aspects... it's no stranger to either of them in fact they feel most comfortable when they're kind of uncomfortable! Both their luminaries aspecting Saturn like that.

Pluto-Juno is very intense. I don't know what else to say about it. The relationship is likely to constantly cause them to upheave issues from the past, dredge up their hurts pains and frustrations and examine them unrelentingly until they are cleansed and purified.

I think you have a better handle on all this than I do I'm just glancing and replying...

it's not a good idea to type cast single aspects as bad... as tempting as it may be; you'll find that the whole fabric of the relationship is held together by a dreaded aspect like Saturn square Moon or Venus square Saturn. It might feel heavy sometimes but at least it's not floating away...

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yungang_grotto, thank you a lot!

I'm just blown away with your "quick" analysis 'cause till you pointed out some things, I hadn't related some elements of his speech to the aspects of the charts. They both are very defensive but fascinated with each other. My friend said he's the most defensive in the interaction and that he's been even trying to avoid her cause he doesn't believe in "luck" due to some crappy long relationships he had before (which is usual for people with Venus in Capricorn, since Saturn doesn't give anything fast and for free). I talked to him tonight and he said they talked a bit about those issues and that she's been trying to get closer and he's having a hard time allowing that. It seems to me she's dealing better with the situation than him. I was rechecking their natals again and she has Moon-Saturn conjunction while he has a square. It seems to me that the conjunction is less problematic than the square since the energy of those planets are blended while planets in square share the same modality but express those energies in different ways.

posted February 11, 2016 01:56 AM            

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Her Moon opposite his Sun/Venus and her Sun there is auspicious. There's a lot of power in that combination! Moon-Venus aspects alone are enough to give so much sweetness you can't even handle it. Throw in the Suns and you've got a pretty potent recipe for strongly identifying with the love that is felt...

For him, his Moon is activated mainly by her Uranus on his South Node/Pluto!! This is something that clearly needs to happen for him but it's definitely a factor in his feeling kinda terrified... because she's stirring up that stuff for him..

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posted February 11, 2016 02:05 AM            

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Psyche conjunct Psyche is just lovely... like really.

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posted February 11, 2016 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
That composite Pluto-Juno squares the Sun and Mercury on the cusp of the 8th... (sorry I make so many posts I'm just going back n forth noticing things). There's going to be a level of discomfort again always present, it's not a warm cozy thing it's going to be always dredging up issues and challenging existing patterns and finding the way to cooperate at all costs... not a bad thing; something to be watched for though is self protective behaviour... South Node in the 2nd. Whatever hapoens, these two need to subsume their individual egos in the waters of the relationship in order to fulfill the mission on which they've embarked together. He is fit for the 8th house task set by this. So is she with Mercury on the cusp of her 8th in a grand trine in her chart and 8th ruler Uranus in her 4th. Another indicator of feeling at home with the kind of transformative intensity of deep sharing this situation involves.

Whatever happens it's definitely meant to be! Careful notto condemn anything based on isolated aspects.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:29 AM            

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*I don't know details about their intimacy but he told me he felt comfortable to open up real fast and revealed his deepest secret desires to this person the first day they met, something he never did even in previous committed relationships.
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*He told me he scared to death, afraid of losing control and being vulnerable in this relationship.
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*They both are very defensive but fascinated
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*he said that this one-month interaction already changed him a lot and brought to the surface things he chose not to deal with.

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The BIG PIC ^ ;

- DW Pluto/Merc square (verry tight/strong Bear Hug / their natal Pluto/Mercury midpoints conjunct)
- Both a NN/Moon trine natally

^ these are connected by midpoints. In the Composite we find the Pluto/Mercury midpoint opposite the Moon and square the Nodes as a summary. That's the story above.

posted February 11, 2016 06:52 AM            

Yes! Didn't catch the d/w, moved too fast. I noticed the Pluto/Juno is square that Mercury/Sun in composite though and that right there is indeed a keynote of the whole interaction.

posted February 11, 2016 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

The BIG PIC ^ ;

- DW Pluto/Merc square (verry tight/strong Bear Hug / their natal Pluto/Mercury midpoints conjunct)
- Both a NN/Moon trine natally

^ these are connected by midpoints. In the Composite we find the Pluto/Mercury midpoint opposite the Moon and square the Nodes as a summary. That's the story above.

edit@ Oopz I made a mistake with the Pluto/Mercury midpoint in Compo / not opp Moon I see now.

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Thanks for your insights, Mir. The DW Mercury-Pluto square they have is really powerful not only due to the orbs (0 and 1 degrees) but also because, excluding Saturn, Pluto (final dispositor) and Mercury (Ascendant ruler) are the most dominant planets in his chart. She has Mercury in the 8th and Pluto rules her 5th (house of love and romance) and their Pluto fall in each other's 5th house. I hadn't checked the midpoints or seen the Bear Hug before but what you said matches the situation very well.

About the natal Nodes, they have the North and South in opposite signs although they're not conjunct. She has a N. Node-Moon trine and his Moon trine his S.Node. His Mars conjunct her N. Node in Scorpio too, so Pluto is having a big party there.

posted February 11, 2016 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
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Yes! Didn't catch the d/w, moved too fast. I noticed the Pluto/Juno is square that Mercury/Sun in composite though and that right there is indeed a keynote of the whole interaction.

.. Glad I could be of help, roseelima. Thank you for sharing your reflections. I hope he feels safe enough to be transformed by this love and that overall it is a positive experience. He's right that there is no luck but sometimes we work on things a long time behind the scenes until they come to fruition so he can begin to trust the universe through these revelations about astrology (it's all part of it), and see that this relationship may indeed have been a long time in the making. If that helps him feel any better

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