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EmGem
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posted February 27, 2016 02:00 AM
  
So a couple of questions really.If Valentine is said to be a higher vibration of Venus, I'm thinking it would be pretty potent in the midpoint world yes?
I discovered that his sun and Venus/Valentine mp conjuncts my sun, Mercury, Eros.
His Chiron/Valentine mp conjuncts my Venus (but that one is 2 deg)
His Mars/Valentine mp conjuncts my Valentine. Do you think they are potent midpoints to have? Would Valentine be even stronger than a Venus midpoint? My other question is that I've only just realised that my Venus, MC and sun/moon mp squares his sun/Venus conjunction. I know I feel this quite strongly. It's all just clicked now lol. But would he also be feeling any of this energy since it's a) a square and b) involving his sun/Venus? I'm not sure but I remember reading somewhere that if midpoints involve the luminaries or Venus then the planet person would feel it too but probably not quite as intense. In other midpoints:
His sun/moon mp semisextiles my Venus and sun/moon mp. Not a biggie I know.
His sun/Jupiter and Venus/Jupiter mp opposite my ASC (Jupiter rules his 8th)
His Jupiter/Chiron mp conj my sun
His NN/Lilith opposite my sun
His Lilith/ASC, moon/Mars, Mars/NN, Chiron/Juno mp conj my Venus
His Venus/Pluto conj my Juno
His moon/SN, Mars/Pluto, SN/Juno conj my moon
His moon/VX, VX/Juno,Pluto/Lilith mp square my Venus Thanks peeps  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 27, 2016 05:01 AM
"If Valentine is said to be a higher vibration of Venus,"
While it has fraternity symbolism with Venus certainly, it is not a "higher" vibration.
Planets give the frame and the sketch of the painting (so highlighting WHAT is even the motif of the painting), asteroids add the paint and some details, but always within the sketches the major planets made.
They are not working on their own and not against planets.In this sense Valentine might indicate how the Venus symbolism is expressed and manifests, or at least a certain part of it, but it is not a substitute.
"I'm thinking it would be pretty potent in the midpoint world yes?"
Not necessarily. It is certainly an interesting one, but just jumping onto some favoured asteroid midpoints while ignoring the other underlying midpoints also connected to that is often misleading and will lead to false hopes.
It`s like you have a painting where there is a wonderful flower placed in the middle and just surrounding it you see snow and hail raining around it.
Now if you cherrypick to just look at the flower in the middle, everything looks so peachy and mellow, but you ignored the harsher symbolism (the hailstorm). Of course the flower will be beautiful no matter what, but the other things will influence the experience as well. It is different if you have a flower in the midsts of a hailstorm, or under a blue sky with no cloud to be seen.
So yes, I do think it is interesting to look up asteroids midpoints (especially of personal planets with Ceres, Juno, BML (not an asteroid I know), Chiron, Valentine, Amor, Psyche and Eros, but first you have to have a clear grasp of what the rough picture is (planetary midpoints).
"that I've only just realised that my Venus, MC and sun/moon mp squares his sun/Venus conjunction."
If in tight orb (1°30 approxmimately, with Sun/Moon MAYBE up to 2°), very significant.
"involving his sun/Venus?"
Usually the midpoint person feels the midpoint energy. I am not sure however if in case of receptive planets as triggers (Moon and Venus) the other party might feel it a little, too.
The square is simply adding a spark but definitely triggering and activating (the conjunction would be more an embodiment of the energies, and with the square you have the feeling like the other person is different from those midpoint energies, but this generates a lot of energy and heat - friction generates warmth after all- after all. It`s like being hit blindsided and not expecting it at all, like a car slamming into you from a blind spot, while with the conjunction it all somehow merges into each other, and the response is immediate, but not always very conscious).
"His sun/moon mp semisextiles my Venus and sun/moon mp. Not a biggie I know. "
Only conjunctions, oppositions, squares (possibly semisquares and sesisquares) are reasonably used with midpoints.
"His sun/Jupiter and Venus/Jupiter mp opposite my ASC (Jupiter rules his 8th)"
this one is definitely a very important one, and generating a lot of good and maybe loving feelings towards you.
Some of the others seem relevant, too, but i will not go throught them, well it seems there are some rather intense things going on with Lilith. Anyway, you also need to look up the Saturn-midpoints and the Neptune-ones (and Uranus and Pluto). While we are usually not that keen on finding them, they are a facet of reality, and just cherrypick the Venus and Jupiter ones will give a distorted picture of what is going on.
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EmGem
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posted February 27, 2016 07:26 PM
Thank you for taking the time to reply Ceri! By higher vibration of Venus, I was alluding to what others have said on here about Valentine being more about a true deep love than Venus. Which is why I thought the midpoints might be quite significant.
You're right though, in that we need to see the whole picture as opposed to isolating midpoints. I was just hoping I hit him just as hard! The way you describe the square in my sun/moon mp and Venus squaring his sun and sun/Venus mp (within 1 degree) is spot on! It squares his Venus but that's a little over 2 degrees.
What kind of significance does this have? It's funny that you say that with the conjunction the response is immediate. The square feels like it's wham bam in your face, can't be ignored but you don't really know what to do with it. It's not so seamless. We've now entered one another's lives and it's like a huge bang but we come from different lifestyles so we're left scratching our heads, but with an irresistible attraction in our hands. So I checked the other midpoints: His sun/moon mp sesquiquares my Uranus within 1 degree (which conj his DSC), psyche within 1.3 and ASC - but it's 2.3! Is that stretching? 😬
His Jupiter/Pluto mp conj my Saturn
His moon/Juno mp conj my sat/Mars mp
His Mars/Pluto mp conj my moon (2 deg)
His Pluto/Juno mp conj my NN
His Venus/Pluto mp conj my Juno
His Mars/Neptune, AC/MC, Venus/NN, Mars/Saturn, NN/Ceres, Venus/Chiron mp's conj my SN
His sat/POF, Nep/POF mp's conj my ASC
His sat/Pluto mp conj my Neptune
His Uranus/MC mp conj my IC and opposite my sun/moon mp, Venus and MC
his Neptune/NN, Sat/NN, Pluto/Ceres mp's conj my Juno
His VX/MC mp opposite my Venus
His VX/moon mp AND VX/Juno mp square my sun/moon mp, Venus, MC
His Neptune/psyche opposite my Venus, sun/moon mp
His sun/VX and NN/MC mp's opposite my Saturn
His Venus/VX mp opposite my mars
His Venus/Ceres, sun/Uranus, Venus/Uranus opposite my moon My moon/Neptune, Ceres/MC, POF/MC mp's opposite his sun
My Pluto/psyche mp opposite his sun, Venus and sun/Venus mp
My Uranus/Pluto, Pluto/ASC mp's opposite his Venus
My Uranus/ASC mp conj his DSC
My Venus/Neptune, moon/Uranus, Venus/MC, Pluto/NN, MOon/ASC conj his Lilith and moon/Pluto mp
My sun/Uranus, Mercury/Uranus, moon/sat, Venus/NN, NN/MC, Jupiter/Pluto, Mars/sat mp's conj his moon
My NN/Lilith mp conj his Juno
My sun/Pluto mp conj his IC Can you see a story here? Yes Lilith is prominent for us. Is this positive or negative? It's conj our composite moon in the 1st, which conjuncts our natal moons. Thanks for any insights, I really appreciate it  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 27, 2016 09:44 PM
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By higher vibration of Venus, I was alluding to what others have said on here about Valentine being more about a true deep love than Venus.
I think i said that and I think i was wrong! I definitely agree with Ceridwen's beautiful metaphor; the planets give the main structure of the painting and the asteroids add flavour and texture but the dominant themes of the planets will always hold greater sway. Venus is a powerful force. She is many things--depending on how she's aspected. She can manifest in the less than savoury, superficial ways, if badly aspected--or she can bring us experiential, tangible awareness of real true love. It's Neptune which is said to be a higher octave of Venus and that's more like it... Neptune love is not contingent on anything at all really; it permeates all things. But Venus makes it real and tangible on the physical plane. A lower vibration is heavier and now tangible and Venus is about everything we enjoy on this planet, includes money and land... Neptune transcends and dissolves all that eventually.. but the love is still there That's how I see it this moment anyway  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 27, 2016 09:50 PM
I think Valentine behaves very similarly, or can be looked at similarly rather; it all depends on how it is aspected. But it isn't more powerful in matters of love than Venus merely because it is ascribed a narrower field of influence (namely, over love and infatuation and devotion alone). I think that was the argument I made back in the day and I can be convincing (maybe it was someone else--maybe I shouldn't take credit for my mistake!)... I do see where I was coming from with the purity thing though.. anyway I'm rambling now IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 27, 2016 09:56 PM
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€from Ceridwen:
"involving his sun/Venus?"
Usually the midpoint person feels the midpoint energy. I am not sure however if in case of receptive planets as triggers (Moon and Venus) the other party might feel it a little, too.
The square is simply adding a spark but definitely triggering and activating (the conjunction would be more an embodiment of the energies, and with the square you have the feeling like the other person is different from those midpoint energies, but this generates a lot of energy and heat - friction generates warmth after all- after all. It`s like being hit blindsided and not expecting it at all, like a car slamming into you from a blind spot, while with the conjunction it all somehow merges into each other, and the response is immediate, but not always very conscious).
Brilliant, thank you. It is really neat how you've put that. My Sun/Moon mp is exactly on his descendant and it's very immediate, I can't control my strong reaction to him even a little bit. His Sun/Moon midpoint is only activated by my Moon/Neptune (but it's just over 2 degrees wide). However in my 9th harmonic chart I put my North Node, Vesta, and some other stuff on his *natal* Sun/Moon midpoint... I was able to find a couple links saying that comparing Rasi to Navamsa is a viable chart comparison method for compatibility and I do hope so as its a pronounced connection to that midpoint of his.. I so want to activate it lol... IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted February 28, 2016 04:33 PM
I think I did read it from what your wrote yungang haha but that's ok! I seem to really connect with your words so that's no surprise that I went with it I feel you on wanting to activate their sun/moon midpoint! I'm sure yours counts ^^ IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 28, 2016 04:57 PM
Awe that's so nice of you to say EmGem .. I'm not positive it does count lol but mayyybe it's good enough. I'm inclined to think 2.5 degrees is reasonable with this midpoint; PatGeisler says 5 degrees either side of a conjunction/opposition has worked for her in "The Plain Vanilla Astrologer," and she's a no nonsense kinda lady However ours is a square. With him and his pseudo love best friend girl her Mercury/Juno are 2-3 degrees from a conjuction with his Sun/Moon midpoint, her Asc is 1 degree off a square and her Jupiter is 2 degrees from a square to it. I am inclined to think they all count... but that's my pessimistic Capricorn moon bias I have been wondering about midpoint pictures which involve the same planet twice in synastry as we have a fair number of these. I'm inclined to think they're extra potent somehow, or diffuse! Can't decide. But i definitely think his Sun/Venus/Valentine midpoint on your Sun/Mercury/Eros is a beautiful aspect.. and you two are probably both total sweethearts! No argument about whether Venus or Valentine is more powerful is necessary there! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 28, 2016 05:08 PM
My gut feeling about Chiron/Valentine=Venus is YES very potent... very pure love based on really deep feelings which are from the coreIP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 28, 2016 05:09 PM
I like Jupiter/Chiron=Sun a lot...
http://john-sandbach.blogspot.ca/2010/12/planets-activating-jupiterchiron.html?m=1 IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 28, 2016 05:13 PM
Venus/Pluto = Juno he's really going to feel impacted by your Juno expression. It's going to seem like a matter of life and death sometimes being in a relationship with you. quote:
His Mars/Neptune, AC/MC, Venus/NN, Mars/Saturn, NN/Ceres, Venus/Chiron mp's conj my SN
I think it's significant when a person has a lot of their midpoints in one area and when these hit a planet in another person's chart. Especially with AC/MC involved with your nodes, this is really significant. It's a really funny cluster of potent midpoints. Again, I'm guessing he's a sweetheart based on this mashup alone. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 29, 2016 04:48 AM
midpoints get a 1,5° orb, maybe 2° when Sun and Moon and the angles are involved. Anything else is wishful thinking. (and someone will always "feel" something at what orb ever ).
And with asteroids actually, nothing above 1° orb.and yes midpoint cluster ARE important. (this is one of the instances where a 2 degree orb *might* be justified, 5 degrees? N.E.V.E.R!!!)
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Ceridwen
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posted February 29, 2016 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I think i said that and I think i was wrong! I definitely agree with Ceridwen's beautiful metaphor; the planets give the main structure of the painting and the asteroids add flavour and texture but the dominant themes of the planets will always hold greater sway. Venus is a powerful force. She is many things--depending on how she's aspected. She can manifest in the less than savoury, superficial ways, if badly aspected--or she can bring us experiential, tangible awareness of real true love. It's Neptune which is said to be a higher octave of Venus and that's more like it... Neptune love is not contingent on anything at all really; it permeates all things. But Venus makes it real and tangible on the physical plane. A lower vibration is heavier and now tangible and Venus is about everything we enjoy on this planet, includes money and land... Neptune transcends and dissolves all that eventually.. but the love is still there That's how I see it this moment anyway
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Ceridwen
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posted February 29, 2016 09:50 AM
nevertheless, even though they might not be primary, you watered my mouth checking some asteroid midpoints.  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
midpoints get a 1,5° orb, maybe 2° when Sun and Moon and the angles are involved. Anything else is wishful thinking. (and someone will always "feel" something at what orb ever ).
And with asteroids actually, nothing above 1° orb.and yes midpoint cluster ARE important. (this is one of the instances where a 2 degree orb *might* be justified, 5 degrees? N.E.V.E.R!!!)
Heh. I think I agree with you, Ceridwen. Pat Geisler is the only person I've heard say that re 5 degrees and it's obviously just a little nuts  , but I wonder where she got it from. I've noticed natal midpoint pictures up to 2'30 really fill in some gaps in my life story and personality which aren't described by the 1'30 and under crowd, but not as intense in their manifestations for *sure*. So yeah, I hears ya! I want to go get my mouth watered too! Valentine midpoints do sound delectable. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 29, 2016 11:34 AM
Well, Valentine-midpoints, maybe (though I have the feeling i might not be such a valentine person), but also Eros, Psyche, Amor, Juno, mean Lilith (no clue why but mean Lilith has recently proved very fitting, weird). And Ceres.
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yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:05 PM
I have a feeling I am not a huge Valentine person either... despite my endorsement! I have really mixed feelings about it. I've been watching the Juno and Ceres midpoints for a while and have come up with some interesting things... The Isis-Osiris midpoint is flabbergasting as I recently mentioned in another thread... and Eros-Psyche also (mine falls on my midheaven). Haven't looked into other Eros or Psyche midpoints but would like to. And Lilith will certainly be interesting I imagine! Very juicy to see how she combines with other energies in the chart I think. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 29, 2016 12:22 PM
Do we have a project on our hands? IP: Logged |
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posted February 29, 2016 12:24 PM
BTW I found this rather crazy-weird.
my ACTOR 7°31 Taurus
my Eros/Psyche-mp 7°31 Taurus
P`s Isis/Osiris-mp 7°31 Taurus IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:31 PM
Well we have Asc/MC=Eros double whammy, conjunction and opposition... that's cute. His Asc/MC midpoint is near his Sun/Moon midpoint (12 and 10 Aries respectively). There are a lot of other midpoints round there as well. He has Amor/Moon=Juno and square his Ascendant.
There are countless indications in his chart that he will only marry for true love. It's beautiful, really. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I found this rather crazy-weird.
my ACTOR 7°31 Taurus
my Eros/Psyche-mp 7°31 Taurus
P`s Isis/Osiris-mp 7°31 Taurus
That is a little crazy lol... yes it is. I don't know about the significance of midpoints on midpoints but when I see stuff like that I think there is definitely something to it! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do we have a project on our hands?
Seems that way! Soo much to explore... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:36 PM
His Eros-Psyche midpoint is conjunct the Isis-Osiris midpoint in his composite with Helena  heh.. not sure the orb is as tight as that though! IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 12:41 PM
Oh.. my Asc/MC mp squares his Nodes too I just (re?)noticed. Ahh. That isn't an asteroid picture though back on track...I guess his Eros squares his nodes. Makes sense. And my Eros is out of bounds at like 43' or something silly like that. His Eros/Psyche midpoint is semisquare my nodes. I've gotten pretty good at calculating semi and sesqui squares in my head at this point. Not sure about the exact orb but it's within 1 degree for sure. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted February 29, 2016 02:40 PM
Oh poop. The Saturn-Uranus midpoint in the midpoint composite is conjunct his Jupiter/Uranus and in the Davison it is conjunct his Ascendant/my Sun/Moon midpoint. The Mars/Neptune midpoint in the Davison is all cozy there too, 1 degree off. Sigh... that's bad ehIP: Logged |
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