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Ceridwen
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posted March 01, 2016 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just being basically intrigued with Chiron (also reading Zane Stein`s book at the moment, and finally found someone who has a similar, yet more elaborate view on Chiron than I do.)


Anyway Sandbach had interpretations for Chiron-midpoints. I wonder how you relate to those in synastry and composite?
http://john-sandbach.blogspot.de/2010_12_01_archive.html

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posted March 01, 2016 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was an interesting read, too!
http://john-sandbach.blogspot.de/2010/10/looking-at-some-midpoints.html


my Sun/Moon-mp 21°31 Cap
my Vertex 21°28 Cancer
my Eros 20°59 Cancer

(my Chiron on 20°02 Aries, thoug not as close).


So looking at above picture, what would I be vitalized with, again?

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posted March 01, 2016 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I play too?
Thanks very much for the link, actually when I looked into my synastry midpoints, I tried to find interpretation for chiron midpoints, but I don't know..maybe I didn't search so well


So the chiron midpoint picture goes like this :

His midpoints -------> my planets/points

Node/chiron midpoint 4 47' cancer = my venus 3 40 cancer
Mars/chiron midpoint 11 42' cancer = my NN 13 16' cancer (I don't know if that counts or is a bit wide, about 1,5 orb)


My midpoints ---------> his planets/points

BML/chiron 15 17' Pisces = his Venus 16 11 pisces
Chiron/Asc 27 34' pisces opposite his Saturn 26 34 Virgo
jupiter/chiron 14 10' leo opposite his Mercury 14 Aqua

I didn't find an interpretation for bml/chiron midpoint though..

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posted March 01, 2016 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For his Node/chiron activated by my venus, the link says the following :

"Principle: A compelling need to connect to positive energy and to spirit guides. An urgent need to clear past karmas and to resolve issues of the past so that one can more forward. A need to understand one˘s attachments to the past and how those attachments are fear-based. Needing to seek out people who are willing to grow and evolve with oneself. A need to connect with people who will accept the love one has to give. Tension between oneself and others caused by others unwillingness to grow or change."
"Venus: A love and appreciation of spiritual connectedness. One has an appreciation of where one has come from and where one is going and of how spiritual forces may be enlisted to enhance the process of evolution."

I think we have a spiritual connectedness!!! I am surprised if he feels that, too!!! I hope so actually lol


For his mars/chiron midpoint activated by my NN :
"Principle: Assertively reaching out to those who need help and healing, often doing this in subtle, indirect ways that can be quite effective. Working to build a new world order. Ability to transform destructive energies into constructive ones, as well as to apply destructive energies where they are most needed to clear the way for something higher.

Ability to get to the heart of a conflict and hence resolve it or direct it along positive lines, rather than arguing in circles. Having the confidence to not hold back when one senses what one needs to do. Ability to act on impulse without having to have a mental or logical justification to do so."
"Node: The need to tune in to one's personal spiritual guidance so that one will know what one needs to do to overcome one's limiting ties to the past and assertively move forward. "
I really hope that I helped him somehow, but I can't really speak of his behalf, unfortunately..


As for my midpoints activated by his planets :
my jupiter/chiron opp.his mercury
"Principle: Instinctively knowing how to uplift others and how to dispel depression. Encouraging people to proceed along their spiritual path even through difficult situations and disheartening conditions. Intuitively knowing how to give someone just the sort of encouragement that they need. Ability to instinctively synthesize and harmonize ideas and to perceive the hidden connections between different events, energies, etc. Ability to make others feel included and cared for, so that no one is left out or left behind. Ability to help others find prosperity and to tap in to the abundance of the universe."
"Mercury: One's communicating and ideas have a healing and uplifting effect on others and is positively motivating in a deeply spiritual way."

Yes, I can totally relate to this impact of him on me! But it got me thinking, maybe it's not the activation of my midpoint but his jupiter on my moon? How can we say which is which? The planet on our midpoint or a planetary aspect in the synastry?


my chiron/asc opp his saturn
Principle: The need to realize that one is able to connect with spirit guides, nature spirits and angels, and to be a freely mutating and transforming agent of healing. The compelling urge to allow one˘s self-confidence to spontaneously arise from one˘s spiritual self rather than be rooted in materialistic, passing or ephemeral things. The need to let go of the limiting projections and definitions that others impose on oneself."
"Saturn: To feel cut off from spiritual forces, and/or unable to identify with them. The need to overcome the fear of losing one's identity, so that it may expand into alignment with spiritual realities. "
I can't say I can relate to that..hmmm..

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posted March 01, 2016 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this gets a bit out of topic, sorry, but at least it is still about midpoints, lol
I just saw that there is a DW midpoint activation, so to speak.
my mars/Asc 11 09' Sag = his Dsc 10 20' sag (opp asc)
His mars/Asc 27 16' cancer = my Dsc 28 14' cancer

So both mars/asc activated by Dsc! This reminded me somehow sth that I told you some weeks ago, Ceri, about the mars/Dsc theme that keeps popping up almost everywhere! Mars on the Dsc DW in draco, Mars on the Dsc in the composite or event composites (maybe I am forgetting something else btw) and now the mars/asc midpoint activated by Dsc in both cases!!! What's about this thing anyway? lol I see it everywhere

EDIT : Oh, maybe I forgot the most important midpoint with the tightest aspect!

His pluto/chiron midpoint in 0 29 Leo = my sun 0 32 Leo!!!!!!!

"Principle: A strong compulsion to overcoming egotism and to see it for what it is – fear-based. Feeling strongly urged, even pushed, by forces beyond oneself to grow by transcending one˘s limitations. The process of learning how to let through messages from beyond, as well as to accept them and act on them. Strong, persistent impulses that one must eventually follow."

"Sun: One is highly aware of persistent healing forces which are always looking for a way to manifest. The pressure to let go of agendas and give in to the force of evolution. The relentless search for what is truly important."

I don't know, I got really confused..lol

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posted March 01, 2016 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mar1982delta:

His midpoints -------> my planets/points

Node/chiron midpoint 4 47' cancer = my venus 3 40 cancer



Wow!

Look here:

P`s Node/Chiron: 5°29 Cancer
my Venus: 6°07 Capricorn

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posted March 01, 2016 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mar1982delta:

His pluto/chiron midpoint in 0 29 Leo = my sun 0 32 Leo!!!!!!!


P`s Pluto/Chiron midpoint 0°30 Leo
but not connected to my Sun
(my Priapus 0°08 Leo
my Uranus 1°21 Scorpio)

also composite DESC 1°19 Leo.


BTW while the direct midpoints may be primary, do not underestimate the squares!

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posted March 01, 2016 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow!

Look here:

P`s Node/Chiron: 5°29 Cancer
my Venus: 6°07 Capricorn


hehehe, my bml is there nereby 5 cap (the one that astro shows automatically)

VERY weird, ha?

edit: Oh, I am stupid, lol, I just got it, "P" is yours, so you two got the same midpoint picture with ours! hahahaha
I got so impressed that I thought you were talking about "my" P. He is a P, too!!!! Now that's really spooky


edit 2: Since you've got it, too, can you relate to it? How do you think the activation of pluto/chiron might manifest? I didn't understand anything from the interpretation of the link lol!

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posted March 01, 2016 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

P`s Pluto/Chiron midpoint 0°30 Leo
but not connected to my Sun
(my Priapus 0°08 Leo
my Uranus 1°21 Scorpio)

also composite DESC 1°19 Leo.


BTW while the direct midpoints may be primary, do not underestimate the squares!


This is insane hahahaha!
Yes, I will try to find them now, it's still difficult for me to see them with a glance!

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posted March 01, 2016 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mar1982delta:
I got so impressed that I thought you were talking about "my" P. He is a P, too!!!! Now that's really spooky


Haha, that is too funny!


Pluto/Chiron I feel is a deep and profound midpoint, but not an easy one by all means. The triggering of it brings up possibly weak spots, sore points one might rather have others not see, but if triggered by another`s planet, this will be unearthed.
Both, Pluto and Chiron, are about transformation, (Chiron is the "bridge" for a reason), Chiron also is the point where we are most vulnerable, where our defences, our emotional/ spiritual skin is the thinnest. Pair this up with Pluto, and you get profound healing and transformation potential, also quite a passionate combo (passion that is always having the purprose of transforming certain things). It could be so that at least initially there is a certain fear and maybe unwillingness to be faced with those issues (depending on the personality), as there just simply is no way of light and easygoing interaction with that combo. It`s really an All-or-nothing-interplay. Either you are in, or you are running away. Though Pluto has a tendency to compell and draw you in again, so you better run fast and quick. Well the Pluto/Chiron-person at least.
Chiron paired with any of the transpersonal planets triggered in a synastry: you won´t walk away from this one the same person you went into it. (and yes, to many people that IS a scary thought!)


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posted March 01, 2016 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune/Chiron=Venus
Jupiter/Chiron=Sun
Juno/Chiron= Karma 0

Saturn/Chiron=Sun
NN/Chiron=Sun 0
Moon/Chiron=SN

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posted March 01, 2016 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Haha, that is too funny!


Pluto/Chiron I feel is a deep and profound midpoint, but not an easy one by all means. The triggering of it brings up possibly weak spots, sore points one might rather have others not see, but if triggered by another`s planet, this will be unearthed.
Both, Pluto and Chiron, are about transformation, (Chiron is the "bridge" for a reason), Chiron also is the point where we are most vulnerable, where our defences, our emotional/ spiritual skin is the thinnest. Pair this up with Pluto, and you get profound healing and transformation potential, also quite a passionate combo (passion that is always having the purprose of transforming certain things). It could be so that at least initially there is a certain fear and maybe unwillingness to be faced with those issues (depending on the personality), as there just simply is no way of light and easygoing interaction with that combo. It`s really an All-or-nothing-interplay. Either you are in, or you are running away. Though Pluto has a tendency to compell and draw you in again, so you better run fast and quick. Well the Pluto/Chiron-person at least.
Chiron paired with any of the transpersonal planets triggered in a synastry: you won´t walk away from this one the same person you went into it. (and yes, to many people that IS a scary thought!)



Thanks so much for the help! It is a very interesting midpoint to my view at least!
Yes, my Sun on his pluto/chiron, I soooo much can relate to your description! I really believe I saw his weak points, maybe because my Sun was there and it is such a tight aspect? Maybe because he was projecting to me the activation of his pluto/chiron? I don't know
As to whether the healing was accomplished I don't really know, I hope so, but if it didn't, I can get how this might have felt terrifying for him and I can get how if we have been actually together I think the healing would have actually taken place (in case it didn't now).

"there is a certain fear and maybe unwillingness to be faced with those issues "
This is very true again for him! He has this block that you saw the other day involving saturn and neptune etc., so now that this midpoint was also activated, it must be even worse lol

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posted March 01, 2016 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, the squares are a LOT more

His Chiron midpoints ---------> my planets/points

his Venus/chiron 12 41' Aries square my NN 13 16' cancer!!!

His BML/Chiron 15 53' cancer square my saturn 16 34' Libra
There is no interpretation for this

On his pluto/chiron 0 29 Leo, apart my sun conjunct, we also have this square from my Jupiter 1 25 scorpio!

Then, a very important midpoint I think
his Sun/chiron 23 57' pisces square my Neptune 24 46' Sag

And there is a chiron connection but reversed
his sun/venus midpoint 27 27 aqua square my Chiron 26 65 taurus


I haven't looked into my midpoints yet lol

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posted March 01, 2016 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My tightest natal picture with Chiron is

Chiron opposing Uranus/Pluto 0°11
with a widish
Chiron square Sun/Moon 1°29
Chiron square Moon/Mercury 1°02

This is interesting to me as my Uranus/Pluto-mp and Sun/moon-mp are connected to each other via Chiron or whatever is on 20-21 of the cardinal signs


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posted March 01, 2016 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so his squares to my chiron midpoints :

my venus/chiron 15 17 gem sq. his mars 14 12 virgo!
I can relate to that even without an interpretation lol !!!!


my venus/chiron 15' 17 gem sq. his venus 16 11 pisces


may mars/chiron 10 29' leo sq. his chiron 9 11 taurus


my neptune/chiron 10 50' pisces sq. his Asc 10 20 gem (this scares me a bit )

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posted March 01, 2016 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Found yesterday: https://graycrawford.net/2013/06/25/chiron-in-the-flood-of-pisces/

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posted March 01, 2016 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri one last question when you have the time please..
I just discovered I have neptune 24 46' sag on my asc/mc midpoint 24 51' sag natally. I had no idea till now and I can't find an interpretation in one e-book that I had downloaded about midpoints
Do you have any idea what does this mean?
Sorry again for getting off topic, thank you

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posted March 01, 2016 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Found yesterday: https://graycrawford.net/2013/06/25/chiron-in-the-flood-of-pisces/


Thank you. And sooo interesting, also because the timeline ties, at least roughly, into P`s and my "road so far". lol

It just hit me that actually our first meeting chart has Chiron exact conjunct NN on 21 Aquarius with Neptune on 24 Aqua nearby. lol

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posted March 01, 2016 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ASC/MC is a midpoint carrying a strong identity-feeling, so you could say that you simply exude Neptunianness. Neptune is inseparably tied to the expression of who you are.

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posted March 01, 2016 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The ASC/MC is a midpoint carrying a strong identity-feeling, so you could say that you simply exude Neptunianness. Neptune is inseparably tied to the expression of who you are.


Lol, I coudn't ever imagine this, Neptune isn't so strong in my chart I think! Apart the exact sextile to Mars, it doesn't make any other tight aspects. But I guess it makes sense because I can imagine that I seem like I am walking on the clouds or something
Thank you very much!

In fact you helped me very much about this, because I couldn't figure out why although Neptune isn't so strong in my chart, I can pretty much relate to it anyway and I was rather confused because I couldn't find which aspect might cause this..I thought maybe because the sextile with Mars is pretty tight, but I wasn't sure..

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posted March 01, 2016 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
any planet in tight configuration (conjunction, opposition, square) either with Sun/Moon-mp or ASC/MC is very integral part of our personality.

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posted March 01, 2016 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my, Ceri, I think you might be interested in this!
I forgot one very important chiron midpoint!!!

my uranus/chiron midpoint 28 48' Aqua ---> his South Node 29 22 Aqua

And the interpretation from your link is.. Look!!! It's a 100% true!!! (yeah I am crazy lol)

"Principle: The ability to be open-minded and because of this to see things in a new way by freeing oneself from limiting biases. Sudden messages coming from beyond, often manifesting in an unexpected or surprising form. The ability to recognize and interpret omens, signs, and portents. The ability to heal feelings of being alienated, isolated, or cut off. Helping others to bring out their unique gifts and talents and to accept and value their own uniqueness."


All of it, but especially this part "Sudden messages coming from beyond, often manifesting in an unexpected or surprising form. The ability to recognize and interpret omens, signs, and portents. "
I get chills!!!

"Node: Seeking out connections with others who help you explore and affirm your own individual uniqueness and its gifts. A need in this lifetime to let go of the fear of being different and/or alienated."


Do you have a similar connection too?
I'll check again the midpoints you mentioned above lol


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posted March 01, 2016 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly the Uranus/Chiron-mp is mutually triggered for both of us, too. I noticed that this afternoon, just by different planets.


my Uranus/Chiron 25°41 Capricorn
his Venus 25°55 Capricorn


his Uranus/Chiron 16°30 Aquarius
my Moon 17°06 Aquarius

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posted March 01, 2016 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interestingly the Uranus/Chiron-mp is mutually triggered for both of us, too. I noticed that this afternoon, just by different planets.


my Uranus/Chiron 25°41 Capricorn
his Venus 25°55 Capricorn


his Uranus/Chiron 16°30 Aquarius
my Moon 17°06 Aquarius



That's nice! Do you agree with the interpretation of the link? Can you relate I mean?

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