posted March 01, 2016 11:23 AM            

My 7th house moon sextile his 4th house Mars in gemini retrograde both QUINCUNX his 7th ruler sun CONJUNCT 3rd ruler venus in the scorpio in the 9th house. The apex is him.

I had a dream last night that I was telling him "azzura please release the trigger you have to release the trigger" he says "no I cant I don't want to" !!!!!!!!!!!! So frustrating what does this dream mean and I want to know more about yod's involving the personal planets in synastry?? Would love leeloo take on this.

posted March 01, 2016 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
I am interested in this, too
I don't have a love yod exactly lol, but my moon gets caught in his yod, so I am interested in learning more about yods in synastry etc.
His sun = apex
quinq. his moon = one leg
quinq. his jupiter which is conjunct my moon = other leg

Your love yod sounds really nice Sorry I can't help you with the interpretation :/

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Awwwwww yours sound really sweet too! Yes im caught up on his YOD and he forms a YOD in my batal chart we actually have two yods in synastry the one I had listed and MY MOON IN 7th house as the APEX his sun/venus conjunct one leg and the other leg my jupiter rx in the 12th house.

I feel the YOD makes the QUINCUNX in synastry very dynamic but gives a stubborn quality I feel especially since he is not willing to pull the TRIGGER!!! Hahahha! Do you feel a strong faded connection with him by the way?? Do you feel yourself as the moon the supporter the nurturer towards his sun??

posted March 01, 2016 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Awwwwww yours sound really sweet too! Yes im caught up on his YOD and he forms a YOD in my batal chart we actually have two yods in synastry the one I had listed and MY MOON IN 7th house as the APEX his sun/venus conjunct one leg and the other leg my jupiter rx in the 12th house.

I feel the YOD makes the QUINCUNX in synastry very dynamic but gives a stubborn quality I feel especially since he is not willing to pull the TRIGGER!!! Hahahha! Do you feel a strong faded connection with him by the way?? Do you feel yourself as the moon the supporter the nurturer towards his sun??

I feel so feminine around him I feel he is the other half of me the masculine one for sure. Wonder if you feel the same in a way?

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"I feel so feminine around him I feel he is the other half of me the masculine one for sure. Wonder if you feel the same in a way?"
Ohhh yesss! I feel that too! I thought maybe this was his mars on my moon, I didn't think if the yod caused that, sounds possible

"the QUINCUNX in synastry very dynamic but gives a stubborn quality "
Yes I agree very much with this, it's like you always come back to "solve" the problem somehow, although you don't know how to do it..I had once read about the quinqunx that it gives the feeling of "unfinished business", I am still learning, so I don't know for sure, but it sounded pretty accurate to me at least!!!

"Do you feel a strong faded connection with him by the way??"
Yes, definitely, although I don't know which aspect to choose that causes this lol

"Do you feel yourself as the moon the supporter the nurturer towards his sun??"
Yes, very much and my Ceres is not aspected heavily by his planets, so this is not a ceres-thing.. So maybe you are right about the yod feeling! Or could it be his jupiter on my moon?

Pfff, I don't know, I get really confused how to balance the aspects and decide which is "responsible" for what

posted March 01, 2016 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

"I feel so feminine around him I feel he is the other half of me the masculine one for sure. Wonder if you feel the same in a way?"
Ohhh yesss! I feel that too! I thought maybe this was his mars on my moon, I didn't think if the yod caused that, sounds possible

"the QUINCUNX in synastry very dynamic but gives a stubborn quality "
Yes I agree very much with this, it's like you always come back to "solve" the problem somehow, although you don't know how to do it..I had once read about the quinqunx that it gives the feeling of "unfinished business", I am still learning, so I don't know for sure, but it sounded pretty accurate to me at least!!!

"Do you feel a strong faded connection with him by the way??"
Yes, definitely, although I don't know which aspect to choose that causes this lol

"Do you feel yourself as the moon the supporter the nurturer towards his sun??"
Yes, very much and my Ceres is not aspected heavily by his planets, so this is not a ceres-thing.. So maybe you are right about the yod feeling! Or could it be his jupiter on my moon?

Pfff, I don't know, I get really confused how to balance the aspects and decide which is "responsible" for what

Moon-Sun/Venus and Jupiter huh? I think this is strong, too!!!

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Im going craaaaazy for him!!! Yes I feel I support him as much as I can in every way but sometimes when he gets on my nerves I go bizerk on him! Lol....that's probably my saturn aspecting his sun/moon/venus/NN lol!! But then his saturn is majorly aspecting my sun so....I guess it goes both ways the harsh coldness between us hahahahha! Do you have saturn in synastry as well with him? And yes it feels so faded with him ong when I first met him I felt he was so my type and he honestly is. . He is exactly my type I can't deny the attraction is very intense sometimes I wonder if he feels the same....but maybe that's my 12th house jupiter talking and my 12th house venus pluto in our comppsite 12th house maybe that's where the insecurity is coming in. Lol!!

And yeah it can be hard to know which aspect in synastry is responsible for what. Lol!!

posted March 01, 2016 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Im going craaaaazy for him!!! Yes I feel I support him as much as I can in every way but sometimes when he gets on my nerves I go bizerk on him! Lol....that's probably my saturn aspecting his sun/moon/venus/NN lol!! But then his saturn is majorly aspecting my sun so....I guess it goes both ways the harsh coldness between us hahahahha! Do you have saturn in synastry as well with him? And yes it feels so faded with him ong when I first met him I felt he was so my type and he honestly is. . He is exactly my type I can't deny the attraction is very intense sometimes I wonder if he feels the same....but maybe that's my 12th house jupiter talking and my 12th house venus pluto in our comppsite 12th house maybe that's where the insecurity is coming in. Lol!!

And yeah it can be hard to know which aspect in synastry is responsible for what. Lol!!

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posted March 01, 2016 01:32 PM              

his EROS on my CERES sextile his Chiron,
quinkunx
my Pluto

(putting my Pluto onto his Eros/Chiron-mp, and he doesn`t have that Yod without me. Hmm, umph.

Funny enough the same objects combine in MY chart to form a T-square!

his Pluto opposite my Chiron and both square my Eros )

posted March 01, 2016 01:35 PM            

We have two yods interlocking between our charts. It's kinda silly.

My Jupiter and Mars form a yod with my Ascendant
His Saturn is conjunct my ascendant, his Venus is 4' off my Jupiter (so the yod does a little jump and I'm not sure it's valid), and my Mars is conjunct his Moon.

Oh heck here's the chart

I'm finding it all really challenging right now. I think it must be important to work through these issues together but honestly I still have trouble really understanding yods.

posted March 01, 2016 01:38 PM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It seems very difficult to feel any sense of resolution with synastry yods...

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posted March 01, 2016 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

I am heading out, so I'll answer later

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Okay I'll be here !

posted March 01, 2016 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Haha, just realized, I do not have a Love Yod (i think), but what is this, of course with asteroids, but still? A sexual something Yod?

his EROS on my CERES sextile his Chiron,
quinkunx
my Pluto

(putting my Pluto onto his Eros/Chiron-mp, and he doesn`t have that Yod without me. Hmm, umph.

Funny enough the same objects combine in MY chart to form a T-square!

his Pluto opposite my Chiron and both square my Eros )

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Awwwww do you feel that you have control? How do you feel being pluto as the apex?

posted March 01, 2016 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It seems very difficult to feel any sense of resolution with synastry yods... that's my experience so far.

We have two yods interlocking between our charts. It's kinda silly.

My Jupiter and Mars form a yod with my Ascendant
His Saturn is conjunct my ascendant, his Venus is 4' off my Jupiter (so the yod does a little jump and I'm not sure it's valid), and my Mars is conjunct his Moon.

Oh heck here's the chart

I'm finding it all really challenging right now. I think it must be important to work through these issues together but honestly I still have trouble really understanding yods.

I complete a composite yod with my Moon which has Venus as the apex and Jupiter as the other leg. I wonder about that one. The Sun forms the boomerang planet in that configuration.

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Yungang are you the apex? Or is he?

posted March 01, 2016 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I feel that the apex individual has control over what is harmonizing between the two planets that form a sextile.

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posted March 01, 2016 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Yungang are you the apex? Or is he?

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We both are-- my Ascendant, his Saturn.. if we take the apex to mean the point in the triangle which makes quincunxes to two planets. The release point is his Mars sort of I guess at 4 degrees Taurus, and our composite North Node at 4 degrees Taurus, and my descendant sort of, at 2 degrees Taurus...

I feel like he has more control cause it's his Saturn but then again when I really own my Scorpio power my ascendant can be a powerful force in its own right. And by nature of who I am it just is powerful. It's strange though to have the ascendant as the apex of my personal yod. It's like I am unaware of how I project both my Martian and Jupiterian qualities and it really takes on that finger of God aspect where it's fated and I have little control. Then again I can become aware of the energy available at my disposal and wield it in a powerful way.

He is unaware of how his Saturn/Pluto affect his own Moon and Venus... this makes perfect sense. I am helping him become aware of it I guess through the loving light of Jupiter and the desire nature of my Mars, as well as highlighting with my ascendant the nature of his crazy Saturn-Pluto power games of which he goes about unaware of how they are linked to his romantic nature and emotional pain-body... the Saturn-Moon quincunx really describes a lot of what is goin on with him I think... and I can see how the synastry yods would be powerful for love because we can help one another become aware of our own blind spots and grow through our quincunxes into a harmonious blending of those natal energies.

posted March 01, 2016 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What do mean with "resolution"?

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I dunno

posted March 01, 2016 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
I feel that the apex individual has control over what is harmonizing between the two planets that form a sextile.

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Hmm interesting. I wonder very much about control in synastry... who feels what... where do I end and you begin.. how we perceive one another.. Everyone evolves at their own pace yet each person does have a certain role to play in every engagement.

posted March 02, 2016 02:30 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
life is an unfolding and a process all the way.

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That is how I see it. I don`t think life or relationships are some "task" you can finish and then be done and over with it (though from a karmic perspective people might debate this.)

As for the apex person having the control, I donīt even know what that means, controlling what, in what way?

It`s funny you would think that with Tr Pluto opposing my nSaturn at 0°01 applying I would be big about control, but the opposite is the case. I feel more than ever that our belief we could control anything (especially other people or relationships) is an illusion which is very detrimental to our personal development and stems from the fear of moving into maybe previously unchartered territory and since we dont know what to expect we cling to things that clearly belong in the past (mostly old outdated mindsets). Life and relationships are ever evolving, and most of the pain stems from trying to cling to what has gone and isn`t there anymore, and forgetting that we are writing our future now in the present and that actually great things may lie in that future, even though we do not know yet, but when we stand still in time and freeze up, clinging to the past and controlling every outcome of every action, ever feeling, ever interaction, every relation, then we might never even meet our bright future.

So, nah, I don`t think I control anything.

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said the woman with Retro Saturn in Cancer in 8th house, as ruler of 2nd house and dispositer of Venus.

posted March 02, 2016 12:30 PM            

It is really cool that you're having these experiences and expressing this insight with Pluto opposite Saturn. It shows your maturity / wisdom in terms of your relationship with control and is beautiful to see.. yeah.

It could certainly manifest differently for a different person but your chart (do you have Jupiter/Ceres in Pisces? I can't recall I just know you put something good on my north node) makes this kind of thing possible/flowing with cosmic intention/impetus... for you right now

posted March 02, 2016 12:48 PM            

I have retro Jupiter in my 8th and it's ruler of my second house! I always find it interesting when Jupiter is doing one thing in my chart which parallels what someone else's Saturn is doing... sets up a cool vibration I think but with all the attendant possible tension between the two energies... all about striking that balance(??). I'm pretty convinced they're a good pair overall. Time will tell what Saturn/Jupiter midpoint on my Sun really means but so far I definitely feel the swings between the two energies in D.'s being--and their merging--in a very central way...

As for synchronicities between our Saturn and Jupiters, D. and I, his Saturn is conjunct his vertex and Samadhi and conjunct my ascendant; my Jupiter is conjunct my vertex and samadhi and is 11 degrees from his ascendant, in his rising sign. I dunno. It's just a little coincidence but they do tend to build up. Saturn rules his 8th and my Jupiter is in my 8th ruling my 2nd so there is 8th/2nd house axis energy going on..? Questions of self worth and merging are the order of the day.

His Jupiter squares my nodes pretty tight and my Saturn is conjunct his south node. Saturn is my moon's ruler and dispositor so there's another check in the book for why I attract and enjoy such very very challenging (Saturnian) characters! And yet the vertex-Jupiter very much keeps the door wide open to Jupiter for which i an grateful.

posted March 02, 2016 01:53 PM              

I guess I should save what I wrote there myself and read it when those situations arise.
My poor little Saturn is such a clinging to control because of fear of the unknown fellow, but he is the handle of my bucket configuration, so he is also the door everyone has to go through to connect to the rest of my chart. My little insecure fearful Cerberus.

I am sure the Pluto-Saturn-aspect will manifest in more difficult ways (well I have about 5 exact hits for the next one and a half years) and teach me many things, and possibly not in the smooth way. But maybe I have been a little prepared, by Tr Uranus squaring my Saturn on and off for the last 2 years. He already has been put through the wringer and that Pluto is now just an intensification and trigger with different means.
Well if I review the last month, especially the last 2 weeks, when it was applying under one degree orb, well what I can say is that it was so stressful time, especially having to deal with pupils who tried to escape any kind of authority, still am in the process, though one case has been successfully resolved (the pupil needed more -paternal- guidance and now he has it again, hopefully that will help with reducing the drug-consummation as well). The other case that is still hanging, is really weighing me down at the moment, because I cannot estimate the possible reactions of the pupil to our educational measures. But we have to do what we do, and we do it in the pupil-friendliest way possible.
Apart from that I have been in constant talk and only hassle with my old health insurance which is simply a pain int he butt, not wanting to accept me changing insurances and so on and it took really me putting down my foot and showing up there plus enlisting the help and assistance of the insurance agent of my new insurance to make them let me out of my contract. Well once I did that, it was very easy surprisingly.
But I so hate dealing with the bureaucracy crap. and I am not good in asking for assistance (but I had to and surprisingly it was given to me very smoothly).

And today when the aspect wsa nearing exactness there was our theatre workshop (in which I had to organize the surrounding things, like rooms and lunch and so on and it went remarkable well, and I was being thanked for being so organized, and again, help was given to me easily once i asked). But more importantly well it just seems that doing theatrical improvisations could not be any further from Pluto-Saturn-symbolism, as it involves actually a letting go of the surface-personality, but even though I have done these workshop before some years ago, it was different this time, because I guess I learned to not simply endure being put into the spotlight but enjoy it to a certain degree and working well within a team, without trying to hide behind others.

That was an interesting Pluto-Saturn-experience. Hpefully it will stay being so constructive.

Of course I also met P last week on and more importantly before the concert (mostly because first he was stalking us through a window of a cafe and then later coming out to have a chat with us while we were standing in line), and the experience of the concert and surrounding was sort of very different to what I remember it to have been about 3 years ago (at the same location). Something so much more real about it, it was weird actually. Good weird, but a new experience.

Also my social circle expanded quite a bit in the last month especially (I am not really that great in making friends quickly and spendin time with people outside of work and very rare long planned occasions, but this aquaintance called me 2 weeks ago and offered me a ticked for another concert 2 days later, and uncharacteristically I was coming along, e ven though it was a bit of organisational hassle).

But all in all it just doesn`t sound so Pluto-Saturn now, does it?

posted March 02, 2016 02:03 PM              

WEll in fact my Saturn is widely conjunct my Vertex (4°31) and parallels is, too.

and as you mentioned it, Mr Sag`s Jupiter is precisely square my nodal axis (0°00 orb).
(My Jupiter squares my nodal axis from the other side as well).

But he has also Saturn conjunct Vertex in his chart (a bit closer than mine even), so that is more or less one of the many mirrorings going on (naturally composite has Saturn conjunct Vertex, but in 7th house).

his Samadhi conjuncts my ASC (1 degree) and my NN (2 degrees)
My Samadhi is not really conjunct his NN, but only 4-5 degrees off, and also only 4-5 degrees off his Jupiter-Mars-conjunction

Our composite has Samadhi on 22 Libra conjunct NN-Amor-Cupido on 20 Libra and Mars on 23 Libra (with Mars dispositing the SN), but also square Moon exact.

posted March 02, 2016 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Are you talking about the release point of the yod? Because I thought this was the "solution", but do you mean that in fact between the 3 planets of the yod, the apex is the most powerful? Interesting..How das this manifest for you?

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The apex is the most powerful. The apex is the release point from what I experienced.