posted March 05, 2016 05:50 AM            

To be honest I have my hands full with astrological objects that do exist, so I never really observed this one (I do know though that some astrologers swear by other hypothetical objects, like the TNPs like Apollo, Zeus, Kronos, Poseidon etc.)

But for you I am going to look it up

26 Leo on the cusp of my 9th house

posted March 05, 2016 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s not an asteroid, though, it`s a hypothetical object, which means it never has been proven to actually exist; might exist, or might not.

To be honest I have my hands full with astrological objects that do exist, so I never really observed this one (I do know though that some astrologers swear by other hypothetical objects, like the TNPs like Apollo, Zeus, Kronos, Poseidon etc.)

But for you I am going to look it up

26 Leo on the cusp of my 9th house

Well actually it oposes my Mean BML and natural BML, so I guess it`s just an axis for me.

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So since it's a hypothetical object should we decrease the orb to exact? I see it would be I guess hard to know if this object can be felt in synastry since its opposing your mean Bml and natural BML.

posted March 05, 2016 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not necessarily. You just have to come to a conclusion if you think it`s valid using objects that might be there or might be just a fantasy.
If you wanna use it, I`d just apply the same orbs that you do to other objects (though it would be hard to know WHAT kind of object this is, another Moon? I think it is said to be a second Earth Moon that noone ever has seen except for that one astrologer who wrote about it) But anyway if you view it as a second Ghostly Earth Moon, then I`d say give it the orb you would give to the Moon or whatever orb you find reasonable.

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Thank you ceridwen! I'll be waiting for more people to comment there experience with this object.

posted March 05, 2016 01:06 PM            

Another partner, who was sexually abusive and a liar and stole from me (my this sounds bad! And it is... but I'm just stating facts...).. my waldemath is square his Venus/Juno-Lilith opposition. His waldemath is conjunct my Sun... in composite there's a waldemath-sun trine. So it was easy and natural to go on in an abusive situation with him. Not good.

I don't know. I don't want to believe Waldemath has to be terrible but I advise caution...

In composite with my current... adventure... we have Waldemath at 0 Pisces, conjunct Ceres and square Saturn. Both of our natal Waldemaths are square our natal Saturns. Obviously a karmic theme for me (see above) and him.

posted March 05, 2016 01:26 PM            

Not surprised, honestly. Really she seems to whip up the very darkest side of our dark sides, in context of aspects and planetary energies with which she participates. Kind of a Pluto-Uranus-Mars-Venus on steroids vibe. Very Scorpio... I think i attract it, being a crazy old quadruple Scorpio and all.

posted March 05, 2016 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
My daughter's father has Waldemath conjunct my North Node. I experienced a lot of pain and upheaval in his presence. It ultimately must have propelled me to learn about that part of life in a way that I had to learn it... I wound up feeling suicidal whenever I spent too much time with him. I haven't been back to see him in 3 years although he still texts me and flirts. It's bizarre. There are positive aspects to our relationship too... so grateful for my awesome daughter. But yeah. My Waldemath is square his Juno and conjunct his Amor. It's a very very complex relationship but I have in the past looked to Waldemath to explain especially intense/dark/uncobtrollable happenings in relationship and found it to be descriptive... We have Waldemath in the 4th house conjunct Mars by 4 degrees and square Saturn by 2. There was physical violence in our relationship, only on a few occasions but enough to make note of.

Another partner, who was sexually abusive and a liar and stole from me (my this sounds bad! And it is... but I'm just stating facts...).. my waldemath is square his Venus/Juno-Lilith opposition. His waldemath is conjunct my Sun... in composite there's a waldemath-sun trine. So it was easy and natural to go on in an abusive situation with him. Not good.

I don't know. I don't want to believe Waldemath has to be terrible but I advise caution...

In composite with my current... adventure... we have Waldemath at 0 Pisces, conjunct Ceres and square Saturn. Both of our natal Waldemaths are square our natal Saturns. Obviously a karmic theme for me (see above) and him.

His Amor is conjunct composite Waldemath in this case. He parallels my daughters father (whose Amor is cobjunct my Waldemath) in a lot of other ways (their Asc/Desc axis is reversed at 14/14 Sag/Gemini)... And in this case my Waldemath squares his nodes. His Waldemath is at 3 Aqua all tied up with two other varieties of Lilith, square his Saturn/Vertex and my ascendant/karma... so for him it's hard to distinguish the energy it's all bound up together with the other Liliths... .

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Yungang,

I' m sorry to hear about the awful stories you went through with your daughter's father and your ex boyfriend who stole money from you. Sounds like the dark moon is the sickest of all the 5 lilliths. That's interesting that your a quadruple scorpio and attract lilith theme relationships. yes defently a karmic theme you have here in the synastry with your current partner.

I ask because i notice that my girlfriend who her chart ruler is in the 8th house and the guy I'm obsessed with is a sun/venus in scorpio and mercury conjunct pluto in scorpio all in the 9th house, i have STRONG lilith themes with them and i seem to also attract lilith theme relationships and its always with people who are plutonian. i don't see myself as plutonian so much as my girlfriend and the guy I'm crazy for. but honestly i know they both have venus in the 8th/venus in scorpio and they say that this placement attracts deep taboo relationships but honestly i' m not attracted to the sign scorpio AT ALL. i never been attracted to a plutonian not ever like this before and i have to say that i have to blame mean and natural and dark moon and oscillating lilith, because i noticed that lilith is dominant in my chart even though I'm not plutonian per say but i seem to attract intense relationships and i' am very intense myself.

anyways i have strong waldamath in synastry with the guy I'm crazy for. my dark moon lilith conjunct/parrallel his sun/venus/mercury/pluto....his dark moon conjunct my vertex and my moon in the 7th house exact. both of our dark moon lilith sit in the 2nd house. we have heavy heavy BML in synastry and i mean its HEAVY and heavy nessus and dejanira and priapus as well. i want to rip this man's clothes off he is so sexy to me i can't get him out of my head i can't even sleep because of him and yet he still continues to play mind games with me like any other evolved scorpio.

posted March 05, 2016 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ergh... yeah... and in Davison Waldemath is at 8 Leo, opposite Venus exact (as well as Sun and Mercury) and square Pluto/Nodes. Davison Waldemath is conjunct his imum coeli by 3 degrees and my MC by 5.

Not surprised, honestly. Really she seems to whip up the very darkest side of our dark sides, in context of aspects and planetary energies with which she participates. Kind of a Pluto-Uranus-Mars-Venus on steroids vibe. Very Scorpio... I think i attract it, being a crazy old quadruple Scorpio and all.

it's up to us how we deal with that. Can be with maturity in a healthy relationship or with less conscious understanding in which case she seems to wreak havoc. So far we're still doing ok. No violence, always working through really hard stuff and ending the interaction with smiles and love and genuine hugs and kisses... even though it's really intense. He has said unnecessarily harsh things to me but he returns to apologize within 3 minutes generally.

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riiiight! pluto-uranus-mars-venus on steroids correct on that! LOL!! awwww that's so sweet he return apologie to you within 3 minutes so cute!

posted March 07, 2016 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Uuusually cute lol

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what??? lol

posted March 07, 2016 12:25 AM            

(What? ?!)

Anyway if Lilith is prominent in your charts I'd say a Lilith synaztry is downright necessary

also i torso del
nope totally feel you on the uhh totally uncontrollable sexual attraction quotient with Lilith. My true Lilith opposes his Moon and my Mars sooo.. yeah... beautiful bodies forbidden one moment and suddenly available for total ravishing? ! Good god.

posted March 07, 2016 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's a funny time right now for us... laughing and talking intensity but not overbearing the horned goodness and learning

(What? ?!)

Anyway if Lilith is prominent in your charts I'd say a Lilith synaztry is downright necessary

also i torso del
nope totally feel you on the uhh totally uncontrollable sexual attraction quotient with Lilith. My true Lilith opposes his Moon and my Mars sooo.. yeah... beautiful bodies forbidden one moment and suddenly available for total ravishing? ! Good god.

life is built in miraculous ways
the forms of things and their shadows
the way we climb into shadows and remain unscathed
this is Lilith
she can be scathing too of course

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omg girl i feel you! . yup laughing and talking about our crazy lilith experiences how intense lilith can be in synastry. I also have to let you know that we also have nessus and dejanira in synastry which ALSO adds into the NUCLEAR OBSESSION as well and such a strong DISTURBING SEXUAL ATTRACTION BETWEEN US literally.....

its like two people being in the room alone and feeling this ODD sexual attraction that you never saw yourself having for that person yet you have this crazy feeling of being on heroin and being able to feel it running through your veins as you are making eye contact with this person, yeah, yeah, yeah.......and then when both of you talk this feeling goes away and its just like being HIGH on cocaine and your heart is pumping as the two of you are talking and then when this guy leaves the room, there face, there energy, there aura, there chakra's, there VIBRATION is literally IN YOUR MIND AND BODY because don't forget we have a strong 12th house synastry and composite......plus nessus and deja and all 5 lilth's and two grand trines and two yod's involving the luminaries. okay i think I'm not the only one that is feeling this intensity when we are both in the same room, i even used to feel his eyes on me and they were.....that's the 12th house for you in scorpio.....O_o

posted March 07, 2016 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Can anyone tell me the maximum orbs? For conjunctions at least.

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i use 3 orb and a little wider for stellium's or if they are parallel.

posted March 07, 2016 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Uuusually cute lol

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are you familiar with starseed astrology? or using fixed stars in synastry and in the composite?

posted March 07, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Have explored a bit with fixed stars but not a lot. I'm definitely interested i want to get Bernadette Brady's book on the subject... i have another one of hers (Predictive Astrology) and I trust her deeply.. she just blew my mind regarding Saros cycles/eclipse series.. did you know an eclipse series can last 2000 years and they'll all follow a similar pattern based on the configuration of the first one? For instance this one coming up originally featured Node=Neptune=Venus/Saturn and Venus quincunx Jupiter so it's about big endings and farewells which lead to great things (due to the Jupiter/Venus connotation).

Anyway she's cool and I wanna learn more about fixed stars. I wonder why you ask?

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nice! i shall check her out! that sounds very interesting i had no idea about that, that's interesting i shall look that up!

i ask because i feel fixed stars can also have just as much as an influence on our charts and in synastry as well due to my experience, i feel fixed star energy gives more vibration of an aspect. for instance, my ASC is conjunct the super galactic center and my venus which is my chart ruler is conjunct the great attractor which my 3rd ruler in the 12th house (jupiter) is SQUARE IT EXACT. plus my name asteroid is conjunct ANTARES the alpha star that is part of the constellation scorpio and my name asteroid also conjunct pallas and DNA which conjunct ANTARES and opposite ALDEBARAN. this guy the one i have strong lilith synastry with, his mars opposes the great attractor within 1 orb and his saturn conjunct SULAPHAT which is a constellation of a herpsichord i believe.....and my sun is also CONJUNCT SULAPHAT as well like exact....and in our composite our ASC is conjunct ANTARES LOL.....which makes our descendent conjunct ALDEBAREN. my uranus is also conjunct VEGA. i' m a natural clairvoyant and i do have these abilities but i have ignored them for some time because i have not learned to protect myself.

you should seriously check it! i'd love to see your chart!! you seem really cool

posted March 07, 2016 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I think iQ said something about me being a 'very old starseed' at some point in our exchanges, and it was related to a close conjuction to a certain fixed star in my chart I believe...

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awwwww i wanna see!