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Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 08, 2016 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, what is this axis really about? Astro community seems to have a problem with reaching an agreement. I noticed 2 prevalent views:

1st house - how we are perceived by others
7th house - how we really are together

1st house - how we are together
7th house - how we deal with others

Lately I've been wondering if it may go like this:
1st house - this is what we are. Whether we want it or not, whether we ever admit it or not, whether others realize it or not. Planets placed here show the ever-present energy that appears quickly if not right away and grows in strength effortlessly.

7th house - this is how we tend to interact with each other. Just you and me, let's forget about others. The energy present here might be more obvious than the one in the 1st.

So, if we have the Moon in the 1st we have an emotional connection that probably becomes strong sooner or later. Let's say it's romantic. And let's add Saturn in the 7th. It could be an energy easier to observe than the Moon, at least if and as long as there are obstacles on the way to become a couple. Keeping the feels to yourself. If things are sorted out, maybe they'd still wouldn't vomit emotions but there would be also noticeable respect in their interaction and no hesitation to help and support, assuming the expression is healthy.


What do you think?

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
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1st house - this is what we are. Whether we want it or not, whether we ever admit it or not, whether others realize it or not. Planets placed here show the ever-present energy that appears quickly if not right away and grows in strength effortlessly.

7th house - this is how we tend to interact with each other. Just you and me, let's forget about others. The energy present here might be more obvious than the one in the 1st."


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posted March 08, 2016 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are you trying to say, my child?

Oh, a thumb up! I almost feel honored

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posted March 08, 2016 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 09, 2016 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for off topic, just a quick silly question:

Say for example your Davison Mars is at 8°59'57 Leo, you read the Sabian for 8º right? Meaning you would not adjust it to 9º right?

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up to 8°59 you read the 9 degree Sabian, from 9°00 you read the 10 degree Sabian (except for astrology cafe of course)

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posted March 09, 2016 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm willing to consider that, V.

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I like the titles Leeloo gave the objects, however I do think the ASC is more than the mere beginning. The theme will be a red thread throughout the whole time.

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posted March 09, 2016 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Ceridwen

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posted March 10, 2016 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm wondering...what if a 1st house planet is opposite a 7th house planet?

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posted March 22, 2016 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those who have planets on this axis - can you relate to my theory?

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posted March 22, 2016 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Those who have planets on this axis - can you relate to my theory?



"And let's add Saturn in the 7th. It could be an energy easier to observe than the Moon, at least if and as long as there are obstacles on the way to become a couple. Keeping the feels to yourself. If things are sorted out, maybe they'd still wouldn't vomit emotions but there would be also noticeable respect in their interaction and no hesitation to help and support, assuming the expression is healthy"


Hmmm, I have Saturn in the composite 7th house, along with a whole bunch of planets and points. Juno, Jupiter, Mars, vertex, Saturn, all conjunct the Dsc. I have no clue about what the composite 7th house describes. But I can connect to your theory, since your description of Saturn in the 7th totally resonates.

Obstacles to become a couple, tell me about it! Although there is jupiter there, too, they seem to eliminate one another in some way, lol.

Keeping the feels to yourself.
That is also true, for most of the time. Given the longevity (almost 2 years), I have talked about my feelings 3 times and in a short manner and he has talked about them once. So, I think that fits, too.


"they'd still wouldn't vomit emotions but there would be also noticeable respect in their interaction and no hesitation to help and support, assuming the expression is healthy"
That's exactly how I picture the relationship, if it ever turned in an actual one lol. I mean it would not be too emotional, although I am far more emotional myself, he isn't and this affects me, too, I am more reserved with him, without even trying to, I didn't believe that could happen to me, lol.
There is respect, too and there has always been support, right from the start, although it was never an actual relationship.


ETA : In Davison, Jupiter and Saturn are on the Asc, not the other planets, just these two. But there are so little info about Davison, that it's difficult to say anything about it. Do you interpret them the same way as the midpoint composites?

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posted March 22, 2016 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! I want moar.

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posted March 22, 2016 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Thanks! I want moar.



Moar? aahahahaha, I had to google about that, too
From others' experience you mean, I suppose, huh?
For Davison, I would like to add, that if the Asc is what we really are, saturn and jupiter also fit there. So how do we tell if it's more fitting in the 1st than in the 7th? Here they are in the 1st in davison, in the 7th in composite lol.
There is a hidden jupiter/saturn flavor in what we are btw, too. Reserved but joyful and adventurous, too. Time (saturn - longevity) is present, optimism and happy moments together are present, too.

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posted March 22, 2016 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So how do we tell if it's more fitting in the 1st than in the 7th?

First tell me if you have any planets in the 7th in Davison.

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posted March 22, 2016 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]So how do we tell if it's more fitting in the 1st than in the 7th?

First tell me if you have any planets in the 7th in Davison.

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No planets, only Vertex in the 7th in Davison.

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posted March 30, 2016 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar, sorry I disappeared.

[quote]So how do we tell if it's more fitting in the 1st than in the 7th?[quote]
Tricky. Maybe this reversal is about bold expression of what you are?


I'm thinking about this stuff again. About the Sun in particular. Could it be that:

1st house Sun indicates a very strong unit, the connection makes the people involved feel more alive and confident, they allow each other to cultivate their individuality and there's little doubt when it comes to whether they're right for each other, being together appears to be an obvious choice

7th house Sun indicates that the couple likes to interact but it's easy for them to fall into "out of sight, out of heart" and there's increased potential for getting/staying together because of the fear of loneliness, there could be lots of mutual wondering and talking about the nature and quality of the relationship, the placement could contribute to the feeling of "not going anywhere", the connection would be constantly "weighted", it could be easy to withdraw from each other if the interaction is upsetting in some way

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tSun currently in the 7th house locally
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posted March 30, 2016 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Aunt!
Aww, it doesnt matter, actually I disappeared a bit, too, I was with my brother who came from abroad for some days and I just returned home!
Actually, I can provide feedback for the sun in the 1st, because I have that in the composite, too! Its not conjunct the Asc, though..But the description you gave is accurate, at least for my part, lol (I am talking about the "obvious" part).
I cannot speak for sun in the 7th unfortunately, but since the first part is accurate, I bet the second hypothesis is valid, too!
Funny enough, I was just about to comment on your other thread with the skipped heart, lol, I was simply trying to figure out if my story fits in by reading the link from wikipedia, lol

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posted March 30, 2016 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey!

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I bet the second hypothesis is valid, too!

You may have a little too much faith in me

I have a random question. Are you an ENFJ? (if you know what I mean)

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posted March 30, 2016 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I confess I didnt know and had to google search it
Every dialogue with you leads me to googling words and abbreviations, lol, but I love it anyway!
I havent read all possible info for that on the net, but I tried to cheat a bit, so I asked ny brother instead (he is a very strict judge of my personality, so I thought that would save us some time ). I showed him the term and what it stands for and he sais I am, but just to be sure, I ll have to think about that more and revisit this thread later! I hope it is a good thing overall, hahahaha, so, in that case, thank you in advance!!!


Btw, its not only a faith in you (I have come to appreciate your astrology thinking process so far) but it is a sort of a logical conclusion, too! If a is valid and there is an analogy between a and b, b is valid, too! I ll try to find the correct term for that in english, I dont know it

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posted March 30, 2016 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I hope it is a good thing overall, hahahaha, so, in that case, thank you in advance!!!

You're welcome. Every type has its challenges but yours is still cooler than most, at least in my book. I hope your brother is right cause I want to be good at typing I'm also starting to notice astro patterns for ENFJs.


Waiting for your opinion on my Sun theory, folks.

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posted March 30, 2016 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the term, too, btw, personality types according to Jung!!! I confess I am ashamed that I didnt know that, I totally love Jung!!! I had posted my synastry with him in a thread that Faith had made (gurus, mentors etc) just a while ago!
Furthermore, astrology clues about these personality types is a research I totally want to participate in case you decide to do something like that!!! Although I dont know if my astro knowledge is enough, but I would like to help in any possible way (charts or feedback, etc).

As for the 1st vs. 7th house theory of yours, if your hypothesis is accurate, this would mean that perhaps its better to have planets on both angles/houses to stabilize the effects!

ETA : You are cool and weird in a good way, in my book, too..btw!! But I should stop, because I suspect that when I am too spontaneous and say exactly what I think, I might make people feel that I probably lie or try to manipulate them (something that fits the ENFJ description funny enough, although I keep wondering about this for years And I absolutely HATE both : lies AND manipulation..)

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posted March 30, 2016 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I returned to the thread for some additional info on the ENFJ compliment lol, just as I promised earlier! Firstly, I confess I really had a hard time getting what you meant by “I hope your brother is right cause I want to be good at typing  “ - this “typing” wordplay totally burnt my mind, lol, english is not my mother language, so I'll try to hide my dumbness behind that excuse It was really good!!!
What I have to say regarding the “typing” itself though (lol) is that I would really love to be an ENFJ, but I really doubt that, although I secretly hope I am wrong (lol again) and you and my brother are right.. I mean I read that ENJs are leaders and although really a lot of what is mentioned for this personality type online totally resonates, the leader aspect isn't something I can find in me..maybe I am a secret leader or something, because I have no personality traits that would fit, overanalyzing and overthinking don't qualify a leader imo (no need for you to convince me otherwise here, honestly.)
But, more importantly, have you taken the test there is on the internet? It's here http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp
And if so, what type you got? Lol, if you wanna say of course, because I suspect you don't I had to ask anyway
I took the test and I got INFJ (???), but I think I might take it again!!!
Thank you very much for this info anyway, I totally loved it, even if I am not an ENFJ!!!!
I have no intention to derailing the thread btw, I just wanted to comment and ask you only this question above..

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My posts have messed up a bit, lol.. I keep editing my last post, but new double posts appear out of nowhere..
So the "edit" should be here instead of a double post..

ENFJ - "typing" feedback

From the link I shared in my previous post:
- 100 % accurate this “But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers,  “ As I already said, I hate manipulation in others and in myself, even when I just suspect there is one and I judge myself really hard , I constantly try to find if there is one, even unintentionally. A real sonar for that
- "learners" : Another keyword that finds me totally agreed with.
- "conclusions (reached through feelings)." Absolutely. Even when I think I am being 100% reasonable, I probably am not. At least not compared to other people (my brother for example, the total opposite)
- “they are apt to neglect themselves and their own needs for the needs of others. They have thinner psychological boundaries than most, and are at risk for being hurt or even abused by less sensitive people. “ TOTALLY yes to that, too. Not in a “boohoo, cry with me” way, though I am kind of proud of it in some cases at least, even when it's bad for me (I might be a masochist, oh my God, lol).
- "Extraverted Feeling" : Yes, I do that very much, especially in two -polar opposites- cases. To my intimate ones and to total strangers, preferably in writing, like here for example, lol
- "Introverted iNtuition" : Yes, I believe I have that, although I don't trust it as much as I should. It has proven its value during the years, but I try to stay (?) reasonable.
"Extraverted Sensing" : I am not sure I can provide feedback regarding this aspect. I tend to bind with things or people in retrospective and even when it's too late or the timing is off (cancer placements maybe?) . Some other times I move on unexpectedly easily compared to my general tendency (uranus trine sun and mercury?). So, “Wavering of sensory perception “, fits, I guess. But I think and hope that I have improved in this area especially during these last years, lol. I mean I am more flexible and not so dependable or attached in a bad way.
- "Introverted Thinking" : You bet I do that, a lot, hahahaha...In fact I am constantly told that I shouldn't think so much. Not that this much thinking makes me more smart, wise or anything..its probably useless and self-sabotaging lol.
“Thinking entertains as logical only those conclusions which support Feeling's values.  “ “"Thinking in the service of Feeling" has the appearance of logic “ I laugh hard with these two..so much thinking and I am certainly NOT reasonable or even logical to start with. I have come to admit that I am probably just mad. But that's ok. Lots of people are mad. Certainly more than they actually think there are I am not dangerous, so I hope a little madness is maybe ok, hahahah!

BUT
on the contrary, as I already said I am not a qualified leader (a comment for ENFJs that I found in another link) plus I can't resonate with that at all either : I don't have a large cycle of acquaintances, neither I have many friends, although I am far from a sociopath or something!!! I love being around people, not all the time apparently, I need my personal time, too and I feel comfortable alone. But I certainly love to interact with people, especially the ones I feel close to me, but with people in general, too. I don't have so much of social skills in my everyday life, though. I am more shy and introverted on an average day. When I "click" with someone though, even a stranger, I feel like I ve known him for ages or/and I want to know/interact with them more, so my shyness and introversion instantly disappears!


The result of the test was an INFJ, btw, so you were almost right, although you don't even know me in person AND most importantly, in the description of INFJs, it says "They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. " So, you are really good in typing!!! Actually, if I remember well, you have a Cap stellium and Caps make good physiognomists - "typers", I think! My dad is a Cap and can describe the character of a person he has never met OR heard about, even by simply looking to their photo! Its uncanny, the way he does it. I really believe it has something to do with his sun sign. I always believed that, but maybe I am biased

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