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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted March 22, 2016 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I would like to to know more about composite Ascendants. How do people view you as a couple? From your experience, would you say the rising sign describes that well? I know that we should also look to 1st house planets and aspects to Asc but for start, let's talk about Ascendant signs.

Me and my ex. Sagittarius rising. I can say that we make an adventurous couple because we traveled around the world a lot. Together we are an optimistic couple. This is apparent because my ex is not an optimist, he calls himself a realist as do all pessimists. But it changes when we are together. So I would say that description for Sagittarius sign is accurate for us but I can't tell what others think (observers).

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posted March 22, 2016 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aunt Anomalia,

I too agree that planet signs don't matter because it's a composite of two charts, so then Asc sign shouldn't matter either. That's why I wanted to find out if there's any truth to Asc sign describing a couple from outsiders' perspective. 'Prove they really don't matter' this is the vibe

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posted March 22, 2016 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have exact tob for all my married friends and their husbands unfortunately. But I do have one composite chart with exact times. They are a Libra Asc couple and I would think Libra should describe a perfect couple on the outside. A couple that you see and say 'ahhh they look so good together, they're so right for each other'. Well, not the case. They look all right together but nothing special. More like a functional Virgo Asc

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posted March 22, 2016 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Readytochill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My boyfriend and I have a Libra ASC and people think we're a sociable, happy, fun, gorgeous couple. They say we're kind of the same but also different , that we balance each other out in certain areas.

I think having our Sun/Venus conjunct that ASC helps greatly though

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posted March 22, 2016 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think composite signs matter, just like the sign a midpoint falls in in the natal chart matters. My Sun/Moon midpoint in Sagittarius explains a lot of things about me; I don't have more than a smidge (ok, a Uranus) in Sag otherwise. But I've traveled extensively, am very philosophical, spiritual, 9th house oriented, love to feel free and expansive.. etc. Makes sense for my Sun/Moon midpoint.

I can see why some people think sign placement doesn't matter in composite, I think the arguments are totally valid and have wondered myself but right now I'm of the mind that it matters. The degree at which the midpoint falls is energetically right in between the two personal planets, and the energetic midpoint is astrologically and symbolically in the sign which falls in the middle of the two. It's strange magic but it really seems to work.

My s.o. and I have Aquarius rising. It fits us I think... We are a very unconventional pair of people, definitely interested in social justice, and planning on establishing a unique off-grid community for weirdos to just be themselves :P Very Uranian, Aquarian, utopic.

We are also emotionally, if not sexually, non-monogamous, which a lot of people in the community struggle with because I guess they don't understand how love can operate in a healthy way when it is between more than two people. Yet that's the only way our relationship could be healthy. We have a lot of positive Uranus aspects in composite too which require that we operate outside normal social standards in order to keep things healthy and fresh and alive between us. We are seen with some mistrust and misunderstanding I think.. especially him... because we're unusual. We are also somewhat aloof emotionally, despite Moon on the Ascendant. It's a funny combination but it makes sense for us. Both emotionally volatile and detached. Heh...

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posted March 23, 2016 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it does matter.

For example, me and this guy have our composite ascendant in sag our chart ruler in the 9th house. We met in Music University and we still go to music school together and we both are strongly opinionated and we also have strong common beliefs. the ascendant is in sag and jupiter in leo in the 9th house. me and him also have strong 9th house/saggy personalities in both of our natals. people see us as wild and adventurous and enjoy being in large crowds with creative minded people.

there's my evidence its pretty self explanatory...ill be happy to share more composite ascendants with you. but honestly i feel the composite ascendant and chart ruler tells more about how the couple met or major themes that highlight between the couple.
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posted March 23, 2016 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
I don't have exact tob for all my married friends and their husbands unfortunately. But I do have one composite chart with exact times. They are a Libra Asc couple and I would think Libra should describe a perfect couple on the outside. A couple that you see and say 'ahhh they look so good together, they're so right for each other'. Well, not the case. They look all right together but nothing special. More like a functional Virgo Asc

well where is the chart ruler? what aspects is it making? is it in the 6th house? maybe the ascendant is possibly in late virgo....sometimes the TOB can be a minute or two off possibly even more, my mother's birth time was totally off and that was back in 1957, my grandmother remembers everything she's got the best memory in the planet you'd be surprised lol

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posted March 23, 2016 05:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve been one of those saying that composite signs don`t matter, for the reason they highlight aspects and configurations. But just lately I was wondering even about natal midpoints, I would treat them as an axis though, however, it IS obvious how there is a lumping of midpoints happening on certain areas in many charts. I wouldn`t think it matters a major great deal, but enough to keep an eye on. After all if someone else has a planet in THAT sign and degree they activate the midpoint for us, and they certainly bring the signbackground, unless we want to do away with signbackgrounds totally.

I do think the Aquarius-ASC fits Mr Sag and me very well. But it probably has to be seen in context with the chartruler which is Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house, conjunct the MC and being the boomerang-point of a boomerang Yod of Neptune-Mercury-Sappho sextle Pluto, quinkunx Eros-Priapus on the IC in Taurus.

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posted March 23, 2016 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... my s.o's cap asc and mine conjunct (close). So we have cap asc in the composite too.

If I want to describe us as a couple, the first thing that jumps to my mind is that we are a good team.

I'm reluctant to use the word "karmic". But considering the way our lives are weaved together, and the events that occurred before and after we met, it seems that the word "karmic" describes our relationship well.

We are not social as a couple, despite being fairy social as individuals. We do stuff and spend time separately with other people, but when we're together, we want to just be with each other and create a bubble keeping others out. It's pretty funny, I go out with friends, he goes out with friends, but if we go out together, mostly it's just us two. I invite guests home, he does the same, but it's very rare that we invite and entertain as a couple (when we do, it's with our very very close friends).

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posted March 23, 2016 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`ve been one of those saying that composite signs don`t matter, for the reason they highlight aspects and configurations. But just lately I was wondering even about natal midpoints, I would treat them as an axis though, however, it IS obvious how there is a lumping of midpoints happening on certain areas in many charts. I wouldn`t think it matters a major great deal, but enough to keep an eye on. After all if someone else has a planet in THAT sign and degree they activate the midpoint for us, and they certainly bring the sign background, unless we want to do away with signbackgrounds totally.

I do think the Aquarius-ASC fits Mr Sag and me very well. But it probably has to be seen in context with the chartruler which is Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house, conjunct the MC and being the boomerang-point of a boomerang Yod of Neptune-Mercury-Sappho sextle Pluto, quinkunx Eros-Priapus on the IC in Taurus.


Yeah that midpoint lumping in certain signs is difficult to ignore, and I see it again and again in natal charts, often a concentration on three or four signs, and others conspicuously totally absent. It seems to describe something about the natives, this focus on certain signs with the midpoints. Maybe not major--but maybe so? Transits through those signs/cascading midpoints will be particularly meaningful and the energy of those sign backgrounds is definitely going to be at play in the activation of the midpoints through transits/other people/etc... unless, as you say, we do away with sign backgrounds altogether but I've seen enough evidence of the veracity of signs to hold onto them Although... personally... my background and focus has been much more on aspects for most of my astrological learning and much less focused on signs, and there are good reasons for that I guess. They're really useful and telling though, there's no doubt about that.

Re: chart ruler Uranus being prominent, yes to seeing it in this context... Me n D. have a markedly less pronounced Uranus than you two but it is still part of an aspect pattern which is trying so hard to be a star of David and could influence our Aquarius-ness. Then again we have composite Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Aquarius... that might have something to do with it! Of course it's an Aqua-Pisces-ish blend as they're 12th house planets... with Jupiter in Pisces in the 1st house sextile Neptune... rambling. Anyway I think our Uranus-Neptune vibe is pretty pronounced too. rraaaamble ramble.

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Oh Uranus-Neptune - otherworldly.

I agree with you I notice in my chart I have those lumping midpoints even in a close area, so transits will REALLY hit there, and so do progressions and directions.

Like this area here:


Moon/Mars 11.08 Cap
Moon/ASC 12.03 Cap
Moon/Neptune 13.31 Cap
Moon/Node 13.38 Cap

and then

Mars/Jupiter 23.11 Cap
Jupiter/ASC 24.06 Cap
Jupiter/Neptune 25.34 Cap
Jupiter/node 25.41 Cap
Moon/Venus 26.36 Cap


or this Sag area

Venus/Neptune 23.02 Sag
Jpuiter/MC 23.05 Sag
Venus/Node 23.08 Sag
Moon/Uranus 24.13 Sag

or Venus/MC, Uranus/Neptune, Uranus/Node lumped on 20 Scorpio

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posted March 23, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio ASC with Pluto conjunct ASC too. Mercury in the 1st.

We are both used to Pluto energy. I am Scorpio ASC and he has Pluto in the 1st house.

We are rather intense, charismatic and compelling even. We also empower each other and have a tremendous impact on each other.

So maybe signs in composite do matter after all.
They probably give a flavor to the type of energy a certain point or planet vibrate.

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posted March 23, 2016 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
well where is the chart ruler? what aspects is it making? is it in the 6th house? maybe the ascendant is possibly in late virgo....sometimes the TOB can be a minute or two off possibly even more, my mother's birth time was totally off and that was back in 1957, my grandmother remembers everything she's got the best memory in the planet you'd be surprised lol




Asc makes a nice trine to chart ruler Venus in 4th. They have a nice Sun-Mercury-Venus conjunction. So they really should project that 'ideal couple' image (Libra Asc + love stelium..in 4th house!).

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posted March 23, 2016 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People, what about Cancer Asc couple? Romantic couple..? )) Oh, now this (stereotyping) got me thinking about other signs:

Pisces - weird couple, total mismatch but really into each other..and drugs

Taurus - couple that likes eating out, with sophisticated tastes

Libra - fake, show-off couple. Perfect on the outside with lots of problems behind closed doors

Gemini - chatty couple that never gets old. Always fresh and lively, doesn't get stuck in the rut.

Scorpio - couple that can't get their hands off each other, literally: either excessive PDAs OR physically abusive


I think best of them all is Aries Asc. Just a powerful couple. Upfront, lively and kind. But that's just my idea..if rising signs mean anything at all in composite. The more I think about it, the more doubtful I become.

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posted March 23, 2016 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini ASC here

we always chat. Like, constantly talk to each otehr. I'd go to tell him a simple "Good morning" in the office and we'd spent the next hour or two chatting up about anything.

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posted March 23, 2016 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegrinning_cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 24, 2016 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
Scorpio ASC conjunct Mars and Neptune

You could call it "Fatal Attraction".....in the best and the worst sense.

Our relationship is a secret and it's obsessive....the few who know about it are divided between seeing it as deeply uncanny or immensely romantic.

For me, the ASC describes the rhythm of a whole being, not just the way it is perceived from the outside.
My ASC is Capricorn and although my Gemini Moon flashes me up and down - there is a steady need for grounding that got me out of many complicated situations.

It's like my pace through life.

So I would agree that the Composite ASC must have a relevance


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posted March 24, 2016 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My SO and I have a Cancer ASC with a Cancer Sun-Venus-Mercury stellium in the 1st and everyone always comments on how good looking of a couple we are and how nice we look together.

The Cancer ASC part of it, hmmmm. We're both homebodies, and probably spend more time at home with each other than out in public or interacting socially. Family is important to both of us, and I think we're both continually working on and nurturing our little "nest" we've made for ourselves. We might come off as a little elusive, maybe a little private when we're out with other people. We definitely don't air our dirty laundry or talk about our relationship much with other people. Typical Cancer traits I suppose!

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