posted March 30, 2016 10:11 AM            

I'm curious about the interastro of 2 people where one experienced stress so strong because of the other person that they got a pseudo heart attack. If anyone can provide me with charts, you'll win a chocolate medal.

If I'm to theorize, there would be action involving the Sun, 8H, 8HR, Pluto, ASC/1H, 1HR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takotsubo_cardiomyopathy

posted March 30, 2016 11:28 AM            

Of course I WAS overdramatizing

Interestingly I am a supposedly coldhearted Aqua-Mooner myself.

posted March 30, 2016 11:38 AM            

Ceri, yes, you can post that chart.

posted March 30, 2016 11:48 AM            

The chart always fascinates me, cause I can`t see the "heartbreak" or "shockvalue" in it.

posted March 30, 2016 11:51 AM            

the time is approximate. I did NOT look at my clock. But I think it is pretty accurate nevertheless.

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my synastry with the event

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posted March 30, 2016 12:04 PM            

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Also, it was a very very exhausting period in my life.

on 19th may that year my uncle had a stroke (he fortunately recovered from that, but it was a close call)

A week before the event or so my grandmother was being hospitalized again

then the event with "shock-value"

on 15th july (3 weeks later) my grandmother died and her funeral was on 19th july.

and on 20th july I was on yet the next open air concert. (I had very long thought about if I should go after all, for different reasons, but I did, and I think it was the right decision).

posted March 30, 2016 03:08 PM            

And the cause or trigger can be very different kind of things, emotional shocks being one of them, also a break-up, grieving the death of a loved one etc.

posted March 30, 2016 03:25 PM            

For my moment, it really felt to me like a point of SURVIVAL to shut down emotionally.
I was LITERALLY feeling as if a hand squeezing down hard on my heart, which alternated between beating extremely slow and then race again, resulting in me gasping for air, but feeling at the same time as if something got stuck in my throat and constricted it, so I literally couldn´t breathe.

It was probably "just" a panic attack (I`ve had my fair share of those in my life, though luckily have gotten somehow in control of them since then), but the physical pressure on my heart and within my throat felt alarming, hence the shutting down. I still think it was good I did do that, cause knowing myself I could have worked myself up into a real medical condition otherwise. That is the downside of a mix of too much imagination and hypersensitivity.

posted March 30, 2016 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If you have to ask this, probably not.

For my moment, it really felt to me like a point of SURVIVAL to shut down emotionally.
I was LITERALLY feeling as if a hand squeezing down hard on my heart, which alternated between beating extremely slow and then race again, resulting in me gasping for air, but feeling at the same time as if something got stuck in my throat and constricted it, so I literally couldn´t breathe.

It was probably "just" a panic attack (I`ve had my fair share of those in my life, though luckily have gotten somehow in control of them since then), but the physical pressure on my heart and within my throat felt alarming, hence the shutting down. I still think it was good I did do that, cause knowing myself I could have worked myself up into a real medical condition otherwise. That is the downside of a mix of too much imagination and hypersensitivity.

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posted March 30, 2016 04:33 PM            

Tr Saturn was square pSun exact (0°09)-
Sun ruling the intercepted 8th house of the progressed chart; Saturn is actually my NATAL 2nd house ruler and placed in natal 8th house - here it came from the outside, but probably still carries the meaning of my natal additionally to what SAturn means anyway
Also it is the ruler of the progressed ASC, so we can tick off Sun, 8HR and 1HR already from our list with just one aspect. lol

Then of course the one thing that cannot be missed

pMoon conjunct pDESC 0°26 a
pPluto square pDESC 0°22 s
pPluto square pMoon 0°04 a

Tr Pluto conjunct pASC 0°58a
Tr Pluto opposite pMoon 1°24a
Tr Pluto square pPluto 1°20a

Pluto sits in the 8th house of progressed chart
Moon rules the 8th house in NATAL and becomes prominent here on the DESC- hence another person being involved (though I frankly always associated that one more with my grandmother`s death, especially as she had Sun-Mars-Pluto on 9-11 Cancer)

The question would be just why THAT day? There would need to be a quick planet triggering this, as of course the mentioned combinations were in play over several months, though in case of the pr Moon just spanning 2-3 months, but still why that day?

Actually I think it had to do with the transiting angles, as Tr ASC was passing over 9 Capricorn within an hour, and hence triggering all the problematic areas.

posted March 31, 2016 03:58 AM            

It’s just occurred to me that when in the natural zodiac Cancer rules the 6th house of Aquarius. Meaning, when Aquarius is rising the sign Cancer generally falls onto the 6th house. This means that on an energetic level emotions tend to strongly impact the health of those with Aquarius prominent. Maybe it’s because this type spends so much time intellectualizing, that their emotions manifest though their body.

I’ve strongly suspected for some time that the natural order of the zodiac with regard to houses has some impact even with planets in signs. Especially with regard to the signs ruled by the planet in question.

With the example of Aquarius Moon… The Moon rules the sign Cancer, so when the Moon resides in Aquarius we’d pay special attention to what house the Moon rules for Aquarius on the zodiac wheel. Cancer rules the 6th house for Aquarius on the zodiac wheel. So it makes sense that those with Aqua Moon would feel a strong link between emotions and health.

People with Aquarius rising would also feel this link.

posted March 31, 2016 04:33 AM            

after being abandoned by this person, i started having minor heart issues. my heart chakra was in a lot of pain and it would beat irregularly.
it skipped a beat, then it would beat faster, hitting my chest, then go back to normal and so on. it made me unable to sleep.
i healed in time, on my own, it was very hard but now im alright. back then, i couldnt stop having feelings for that person, and i tried to stop them, making me end up in a numb lifeless period of my life in which i couldnt feel anything. afterwards, i realized this wasnt the point of it all and i found love again in me, by picking myself up. that person showed me what love is, and how it felt, and after being abandoned by him of course i was in a constant battlefield with myself and my emotions. stress, pain, sorrow, all that.

im inside, person is outside... speaking of 8th/sun/pluto..

posted March 31, 2016 06:02 AM            

interesting how 2013 was so similiar for both of us, though interestingly enough it was not THAT bad for me. I know it sounds ludicrous, but at the same time as it brought me down to my knees emotionally, it also brought very real-life manifestations that were good.
For example I had just some months before enrolled with Weight Watchers and shed 27 kilos within that first year.

And that event? Well it had surprised me how it shook me, I had not anticipated this (though the even itself was not even a surprise, maybe the timing), it was a waking up call though, a coming down to earth.
It made me realize that I had to change (something).
Decisions had to be made.
Sometimes dreaming and living in the "what if" is simply not enough, and I had to readjust.

I had to think hard about what I really wanted in terms of this connection, the choice was to leave his life for real and really avoid crossing his path ever again (which was difficult anyway, as even a month later he literally stumbled into my path. lol) or to readjust, accept the reality and find a way to make up for things I messed up before (even though I thought that would not really change our vague non-interaction and certainly not lead into anything personal between us - but it suddenly felt important to me, to set this lopsided swinging whatever-that-was onto an even path again, even if it was just a final greeting ).

I chose the second option, not because I thought this would suddenly somehow lead into a romantic relationship (did I even want one? ), but just this inner impulse and almost compulsion to "set things right", admitting to myself that it had been ME who had messed up this one, my fault, I had manoevered myself into a corner, and only I could somehow break this up again, to effect a new start (or a conclusion) on a different level of course, with all the reality-considerations.
Of course I thought then that it was just a conclusion, and I simply did not want this vagueness to continue like it was, and me acting bizarrely-capricious and weird, and on some level I felt as if I owed him that (and myself), that last moment or path-crossing with clarity (well superficially so, but still).
I don´t know why it was so important to me. But it was, and it led to the short chat in november that year.
What I had NOT anticipated though was that apparently that meeting set something in motion.
And yes, on a completely different level than before, but hey, we always defied categories anyway.

At the shockmoment interestingly Tr NN was conjunct our composite MC exact (0°34) and therefore activated the Yod of Neptune sextile Pluto, quinkunx Eros-Priapus on the IC.

While it was not obvious to me that night of course, it somehow started the change in my thoughtprocess (and resulting in acting differently) and led to that intended last meeting in november that year, and that happend just about 3 weeks after a Solar Ecclipse on 11°15 Scorpio.
At the night of the meeting Tr Mercury was on 13°37 Scorpio both framing our composite Uranus (chartuler) on 12°22 Scorpio.
And there was an exact Karma-Saturn-conjunction on 16 Scorpio on our MC (hence once again activating the important spot, that was emphasized in the shock-moment, too, so the interconnection bewteen those two dates was clear and I guess I did my SAturn. lol Taking responsibility I guess, well that Tr Saturn was also trine my n Saturn exact and square my n Moon and trine my n Juno- all exact).

Oh and Tr Venus was on 16 Capricorn, on our composite Venus on 16 Capricorn, so our composite had its Venus-Return that very day (Venus disposits our composite North Node in Libra, too, so had I known that that day, which I did not, I could have easily seen how this was more a "pulling forwards" kind of day than a finalization one. lol)