posted March 31, 2016 08:27 AM            

First...what is Persona chart? Well, it's chart of first transit of Sun to planet or important point of your chart. It's supposed to shed more light on how exactly that planet or point manifests. For example, you can look at your Venus Persona to learn something more about your love life, about your taste in clothes etc . Or you can look at your Mercury persona to learn more about the way you communicate. Persona of your chart ruler should be the most important.
So Persona charts should work like magnifying glass for your planets and point.

How can you explore your Persona charts? Simply go to Extended chart selection -> Please select type of chart -> Persona chart (that way, you can look at Persona of any planet, asteroid or point)

Now I'm especially interested in Personas of Name asteroids (in your chart!) of people who are important in our lives. They should show how do you see that person. For example:

Name asteroid persona of my biggest crush (in my chart):
Sun in Saggy in 5th, conjunct Laska (means "love" in my native language!)
Leo Ascendant conjunct Moon and Aphrodite - he actually is typical Leo! And yeah, I definitely see him as extremely attractive, although he is not someone who is considered conventionally beautiful by others
Mars parallel Moon, trine Sun-Mercury, square Jupiter-Pluto - I definitely see him as very assertive person!

My Cancer male friend:
Cappy Sun and Scorpio Ascendant conjunct Pluto - he's very serious and really has air of reclusiveness around him. When I first met him, he was comming of as cold and inaccesible person

Another Cancer male friend:
Pisces Ascendant conjunct Pisces sun from 12th house, trine Cancer Moon - he truly comes off as very sensitive and caring individual.

Aqua friend:
Sun square Uranus
Aquarius ascendant trine Pallas, Lilith conjunct IC, square Moon - she actually is a feminist!
Her name trine Neptune - has otherworldly aura around her
Jupiter conjunct MC - optimist, well liked by others

Another crush:
Aqua Sun and ascendant - friendly and popular, but distant at the same tame
Venus and Jupiter conjunct Saggy MC - again, very well liked and attractive

So how do Name asteroid Personas of your loves, siblings, friends etc. look? Do they truly show how you see important people in your life?
I look forward to your responses

posted March 31, 2016 08:33 AM            

Persona charts on names sound interesting, too.

posted March 31, 2016 08:51 AM            

ASC 2 Virgo with Psyche on 1 Pisces
interestingly enough his natal NN is on 1 Virgo. lol

Also a stellium of Sun, Mercury, Venus, his name in the 5th house though in Capricorn, and he IS a performer after all
the Mercury-Venus-his name actually conjunct his natal Venus

a Moon-Pluto-conjunction in Libra in 2nd house- hmm not sure how that applies

Mars in Sag in 4th house - well there is a reason I call him Mr Sag, right?

an exact Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction in Pisces in the 7th house

Funny enough Juno in Pisces in 8th house conjunct his natal ASC exact, no clue how to interprete that though

his persona chart of my name (would that tell us how he sees me?)

ASC in Leo conjunct Moon - hu?
with the chartruler Sun in Pisces in 8th house
- that Sun conjuncts my natal Jupiter, ruling my chart, and my natal Ceres and his natal Eros, opposing his natal MarsJupiter
- that Moon opposes my natal Moon

Then the chart has an exact Mars-Jupiter-conjunction on 4 Virgo, which kinda makes sense I have Mars in Sagittarius square Jupiter natally

A Saturn-Lilith conjunction in the 3rd house, not overlaying my chart in major ways (though falling onto my Draco DESC), howeer it DOES fall onto his natal Saturn-Vertex-Aphrodite-DESC lumping together

And then there is Venus in Aries (on my natal Chiron) on the MC, opposing Pluto in Libra (on his natal Pluto obviously) on the IC - the Venus-Pluto-opposition is exact
(well it resonates with both our natal Venus-Pluto-squares I guess - and no I am NOT intense. )
that opposition is trine/ sextile Neptune in the 5th house

And right on the MC there is an Eros-Ceres-conjunction which sort of reminds me of the Eros-Ceres-conjunction we have going in our synastry, taking place on my name in his chart.

Oh and if we are generous with orbs Moon is trine Venus and Neptune as well (7-8 degrees)

posted March 31, 2016 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well my persona chart of Mr Sag has

ASC 2 Virgo with Psyche on 1 Pisces
interestingly enough his natal NN is on 1 Virgo. lol

Also a stellium of Sun, Mercury, Venus, his name in the 5th house though in Capricorn, and he IS a performer after all
the Mercury-Venus-his name actually conjunct his natal Venus

a Moon-Pluto-conjunction in Libra in 2nd house- hmm not sure how that applies

Mars in Sag in 4th house - well there is a reason I call him Mr Sag, right?

an exact Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction in Pisces in the 7th house

Funny enough Juno in Pisces in 8th house conjunct his natal ASC exact, no clue how to interprete that though

his persona chart of my name (would that tell us how he sees me?)

ASC in Leo conjunct Moon - hu?
with the chartruler Sun in Pisces in 8th house
- that Sun conjuncts my natal Jupiter, ruling my chart, and my natal Ceres and his natal Eros, opposing his natal MarsJupiter
- that Moon opposes my natal Moon

Then the chart has an exact Mars-Jupiter-conjunction on 4 Virgo, which kinda makes sense I have Mars in Sagittarius square Jupiter natally

A Saturn-Lilith conjunction in the 3rd house, not overlaying my chart in major ways (though falling onto my Draco DESC), howeer it DOES fall onto his natal Saturn-Vertex-Aphrodite-DESC lumping together

And then there is Venus in Aries (on my natal Chiron) on the MC, opposing Pluto in Libra (on his natal Pluto obviously) on the IC - the Venus-Pluto-opposition is exact
(well it resonates with both our natal Venus-Pluto-squares I guess - and no I am NOT intense. )
that opposition is trine/ sextile Neptune in the 5th house

And right on the MC there is an Eros-Ceres-conjunction which sort of reminds me of the Eros-Ceres-conjunction we have going in our synastry, taking place on my name in his chart.

Oh and if we are generous with orbs Moon is trine Venus and Neptune as well (7-8 degrees)

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posted March 31, 2016 09:08 AM            

his Ceri Persona- my natal
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my Mr Sag Persona - his natal

posted March 31, 2016 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
I've seen someone mentioned there, that <object> of <object> Persona chart may be pretty important. So I've tried this and my mind was blown! Eros-IC of Eros PC, and Mars of Mars PC are right on the Sun of that old Leo love of mine!!

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Yes I think Iīve said that before, or was among those who were saying it.

If we deal with an eros-persona chart the placement of Eros in THAT persona might be a very "pure essence" of what Eros means to us.

In this line of thought

Mr Sag in my Mr-Sag PC is on 25 Capricorn in 5th house -so that might be the core of how I see him, it is conjunct Mercury on 23 Cap and Venus on 28 Cap, so actually putting his name onto the Mercury/Venus-mp; (it also opposes Eros, but let`s stick with the conjunction for now. lol)

For all his fire-ness and spontaneity and all of that Iīve always been mostly fascinated with his "physicality", how someone could feel so much "in body" (it was a weird bizarre feeling, most probably because I am seldom feeling like I am even em-bodied, but sort of floating somewhere else - at least until I met him. That was when I felt like I arrived in my own body, too. It was weird, almost like something about him grounded or anchored me to the earth. STrange. )

Interestingly enough his natal Venus is on 25 Capricorn; 25 Capricorn falls into my 2nd house, and if nothing else, I have always felt strangely "valued" by him.

the Mercury/Venus-of course makes sense cause he is a performer, singer, musician (and also landlord, occasionally teacher and so on).

As for his perspective

Ceri in his Ceri persona chart

5 Aries in 9th house

Well the 9th house might be because I probably can`t really deny and hide I am a teacher; no I can`t. I remember one time when he was on stage, he suddenly would blurting out into my direction: "ARe you a teacher or what?"
Which Ihad to nod about, and he then went on: "German-teacher, right?"
By that time I was really searching for that hole in the ground to swallow me whole, but he took it as a Yes-answer and was shouting: "I KNEW it!"

It was all in good fun though.

Aries, now I do not quite see myself as Aries-like, but if he does, okay.
It does make sense though, as I have Mars conjunct ASC and my IC is on 5 Aries, conjunct Aura, so I guess to some I might give this vibe.

BTW 5 Aries falls into his intercepted 1st house and mirrors his ASC-DESC-axis.

oh and 2nd btw in his Ceri-chart
Ceri conjunct Mercury/Venus as well! lol

Okay let`s look up some midpoints (unlike for some people for ME they ALWAYS work though not always in the way we expect them to, that`s right)

in my Mr Sag-PC

Mr Sag
conjunct Psyche/Amor 0°26
conjunct Mercury/Venus 0°20

iny his Ceri-PC

Ceri
conjunct Mercury/Venus 052
opposite Moon/Uranus 0°33

(the second also makes sense, as I have natally an Aqua-Moon parallel Uranus; so I guess he must have a pretty good sense of who I am)

posted March 31, 2016 10:00 AM            

Sunnya in his Sunnya PC is in Sag in the 7th and conjunct his natal Mars. So he sees me has a Sag? Not bad. My progressed ASC is in Sag

Also Sunnya is his natal chart is conjunct his Sunnya's PC sun.

All exact!

I don't like all that Saturn, but he does have a good dose of Saturn on his own chart and his Mars is conjunct Saturn in his natal, so might not be that bad. I do make him be more responsible in a way...

By the way, is that a yod??

@Ceridwen Sweet story about him talking and you feeling like digging a hole and hide . But don't hide .
And nice midpoints you guys have there!

posted March 31, 2016 10:11 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No it wouldn`t count to me either.

What counts for me though is if the pronounciation of a name was the same as mine, even if it was written a tad differently.

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First name is the same pronunciation and spelling yadayada but with a totally different last name attached.

posted March 31, 2016 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
This only works if theres an asteroid with your name, though.

Theres an asteroid with my name but it has another persons last nsme tacked on at the end, which doesnt count to me.

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posted March 31, 2016 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Ceri in his Ceri persona chart

5 Aries in 9th house

Well the 9th house might be because I probably can`t really deny and hide I am a teacher; no I can`t. I remember one time when he was on stage, he suddenly would blurting out into my direction: "ARe you a teacher or what?"
Which Ihad to nod about, and he then went on: "German-teacher, right?"
By that time I was really searching for that hole in the ground to swallow me whole, but he took it as a Yes-answer and was shouting: "I KNEW it!"

It was all in good fun though.

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Lol, that story made me smile

I really like thise Venus-Mercury-Name thing in both of your name PC Do you see each other as flirtatious and charming?
When I was checking out Persona charts of my current Taurean crush, I've also checked Name PC of his ex (oh gosh, why am I doing this to myself! am I masochist or what?! aaah! ) aaand...there is cojunction of Venus and her name in that persona

When it comes to "my" Taurus... In his MyName persona (by the way, when we met for the first time, tSun was right on his natal MyName! ) there is:

Sun in Sag (conjunct my natal East Point!)
Moon in Taurus opposite Pluto (i have natal Mars and DSC in Taurus opposite Pluto)

Venus in Aqua doesn't make any ptolemaic aspect to other planets (I have unaspected Venus!! Wow!). But it's in super-tight parallel to Neptune and makes parallel to Saturn as well. So he probably thinks I'm romantic (Neptune) and insecure (Saturn). It's also opposing my natal Eros.

Eros conjunct Neptune in Cappy opposite Jupiter-Lust and my natal Sun!
Mars in Scorpio loosely conjunct Pluto (conjunct my NN-Pluto and opposite my Mars!)

Ascendant... well, I don't know his exact birth time, but Ascendant of his MyName PC is either in Pisces, Aries or Taurus. But I highly doubt he sees me as Aries. Even though I have Aries Moon. I never act assertive around him. Pisces Asc is most likely i think - my chart is very watery (and if it truly is Pisc ASC, then his own natal ascendant is in Libra, Scorpio or Saggy. He truly acts and looks like Saggy - tall, very jovial and laughs a lot)

I couldn't find his name asteroid though

posted March 31, 2016 11:18 AM            

Aphrodite of his Aphrodite-PC is on my natal Sun!
Adonis of my Adonis-PC is right on his natal Adonis

posted March 31, 2016 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spongebob:
[b]This only works if theres an asteroid with your name, though.

Theres an asteroid with my name but it has another persons last nsme tacked on at the end, which doesnt count to me.

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posted March 31, 2016 12:15 PM            

For this we can even use the "partner profile" (5th, 7th, 8th) and check if the persona chart fits this (of course it is only what WE think is going on, does not need to mean it is what is really going on, but it might factor in our decision to pursue someone or not or how, the way we see them)

Also checking what in the persona chart is on the angles especially ASC and MC, this would probably be what stands out most for us in the other person (or our "idea" of them).

If it fits the real personality - well for this we have to turn to the other person`s natal and see where and how it clicks with the persona chart of the first person.

posted March 31, 2016 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:

Also Sunnya is his natal chart is conjunct his Sunnya's PC sun.

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That is always the case, as this is what defines a persona chart. the first time the Sun is transiting the object we make the chart for.

Anyway that your pr ASC is in Sag fitting his view of you is really good imo. Cause if neither of our natal or progressed personal planets or aspects fit the persona chart, it might be a case of "mis-placed identity"; it might not be really about "us" at all. On the other hand IF there are some links, it seems that our personality is very close to what they sense in terms of that name-energy, and it is more likely thus that it really relates to us personally.

As for the short chat.
Well yeah, but imagine a 3000 people audience getting completely silent as he is teasing me.
Well my own fault I get it, he was reading something, and I had not known that before, I had not connected the dots, but it was fascinating to me (it was about why in Italy 17 is an unlucky number, and the reason is that if you write it in Latin letters you get "XVII" and if you write those in different order you get "VIXI" which means "I have lived" or in other words "I am dead now" - how come I never saw that before? I am a Latin teacher, additionally to the German teacher, for Godsīsake! And believe me my pupils ALL know by now why 17 is an unlucky number in Italy ).
Anyway when he read that aloud, I pretty much understood it just the bit before he said the words out aloud, and was so gobsmacked that I was applauding, the bummer was I was the only one.
No clue however why he was thinking about German-teacher, I mean wouldn`t have Latin-teacher or Italian-teacher had made even more sense? But he was asking about me being a teacher for German. Random fun info at the side: I actually studied German at the same university at the same time as his best friend did. Not that I think he would remember me, at least I did not -quite- remember him either.

Anyway yes you can bet I wanted to become invisible that moment.

posted March 31, 2016 02:07 PM            

Ah makes sense of course, thank you.

Well both my natal and progressed Destinn are closely conjunct his Sunnya PC Sun. My natal ASC is widely conjunct his Sunnya's PC Sun too.
They are quite a lot of angles aspects with my Natal planets and so on.
I added Alma, Aura, Spirit and DNA and all the conjunctions from my natal and progressed chart are very telling...

Plus I am even more baffled at the aspects between my Progressed Chart and his Sunnya's PC: The ASC/DSC axis are conjunct!! His Sunnya's PC ASC conjuncts my prDSC and vice versa. Both Moons conjunct each other too and the PC chart Moon conjuncts my DSC and my prMoon conjuncts the PC ASC...
And my prNN conjuncts his Sunnya's PC AVertex, my prJuno conjuncts his Sunnya's PC Destinn.. My prKarma and Uranus conjunct PC DSC and the list of conjunctions goes on with planets, angles and so on!

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Hahaha OMG all that people listening! I love your story! You must have been really flustered.
Have you teased him back with something too? A pay back! I wonder how he would react!

By the way, perhaps his best friend could remember you if he has seen you at a concert sometime. Have you ever seen this guy at the concerts?

Edit: What would a Composite of his Sunnya's PC and my natal and/or progressed chart tell?
(composite with my natal is bonkers too with the angles. Venus on DSC and Moon on IC, Sun conjunct Valentine exact for example... )

posted March 31, 2016 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I was thinking, if the name asteroid PErsona indicates how we view a person, then the synastry back to our own chart might indicate howe think we are suited to them and otherwise and what kind of role we might play for them.

For this we can even use the "partner profile" (5th, 7th, 8th) and check if the persona chart fits this (of course it is only what WE think is going on, does not need to mean it is what is really going on, but it might factor in our decision to pursue someone or not or how, the way we see them)

Also checking what in the persona chart is on the angles especially ASC and MC, this would probably be what stands out most for us in the other person (or our "idea" of them).

If it fits the real personality - well for this we have to turn to the other person`s natal and see where and how it clicks with the persona chart of the first person.

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posted March 31, 2016 05:28 PM            

Here it is!

And the synastry of the name asteroid persona chart (inside) with my natal (outside) :

posted March 31, 2016 05:37 PM            

Interestingly my Ceri in his chart on 5 Aries, is not only conjunct my natal IC but conjunct my pr Juno. weird.

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
You must have been really flustered.
Have you teased him back with something too? A pay back! I wonder how he would react!

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Yes, I have been really flustered, and not able to react properly. Well, when he did accuse me of being a German-teacher, I was sort of non-verbally responding with a bit of a theatrical gesture and demonstratively letting my head hang in shame/ embarassment (which I realize now, also happened on the fanmeeting, I sort of communicate with him more with gestures, mimic, facial expression, body language than with words. )

Anyway I guess this little something between us left an impact on others on stage, too. As one of the other performers, an old friend of his, would not take her eyes off me after that again, well we`ve met before. lol
And the one who was on stage during that moment, because he was playing the piano, when he left stage at the end of the evening, and had to pass where I was sitting, he was raising his hand to his chest and touching his heart - talk about theatrical gestures. LOL
No clue what THAT was supposed to mean. But seems I sometimes have that impact on people on stage who know him more closely. I have been repeatedly been subject to complete strangers winking at me, stifling a fit of laughter (that happened when he forgot to turn to his duet-partner - of a LOVE duet- and instead kept on looking into the audience at me. lol ) ranging up to looks wandering from him to me to him and shrugging shoulders giving an audible sigh and very frequent "rolling-eyes-moments". Of course I tend to think this is all just a coincidence.
It`s not that he doesn`t communicate with other people in the audience, it`s just the way he is, but he seems to really like to tease me and see me squirm or react like a mime. lol I guess that must be why he seems to single me out so often.

posted March 31, 2016 05:42 PM            

what a connected chart that is!

posted March 31, 2016 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Vixen:

So how does synastry between your MrSag-PC and natal look like?

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