posted April 02, 2016 05:49 PM            

I see it as a point of realistic fulfillment... temperance and forbearance. A place where we may wait until just the right moment--and it may take a long time-but when the expansion comes it's really well organized and called for.. this is based partly on observing Jupiter/Saturn conjunction natives in my life....

I know there are many different readings of this midpoint though and I'm very interested to hear whatever interpretations you have or have found here and there.

Here's John Sandbach on this one:

"Principle: Morality, meaning not only what one feels is generally good and bad, but your ideas about what is specifically good for you to do and what is bad for you. This pair rules assessments and judgments about how one should live one's life. The pair also rules controlled growth, organized expansion, and discipline. Jupiter/Saturn signifies a need to proceed relatively slowly, and in a grounded fashion, so that progress is steady and as free of setbacks as possible. If Saturn exceeds Jupiter in energy then one may feel that progress is too slow, or too limited or frustrating, or that one's enthusiasm is dampened. If Jupiter exceeds Saturn one may feel a lack of organization and/or stability on one's progress.

Process: The integration of moral principles into one's life. The finding of an harmonious and successful way to discipline oneself. The development of the ability to be discerning and critical and yet open, forgiving and accepting at the same time. "
http://john-sandbach.blogspot.ca/2010/11/planets-affecting-jupitersaturn.html?m=1

Here's cosmitec (more aligned with Ebertin who equates this midpoint with happy, fortunate separations!)

"Jupiter/Saturn (JU/SA): the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint has different meanings but when finding this combo strong in a chart comparison, it most often points to friendship. Don't confuse friendship with love!

We never recommend marrying when in the chart comparison, this midpoint is prominent without other love connections because the union may result in divorce (a happy or fortunate separation/divorce).

When outer planets transit the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint that also aspect planets and midpoints in the chart of the other partner, it will trigger setbacks. Especially Mars (and Saturn itself), may be very disruptive here and bring separation."
[URL=http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/natal-midpoints-in-love.html]http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/natal-midpoints-in-love.html[/ URL]

I'm very interested indeed in whether it has figured prominently in synastries and composites of solid long standing relationships--or happily separated couples! It seems likely that it might go either way or both--given that whoever is contributing a planet will be lending energy of some kind to a key developmental process in the life of the other. Then again this may be more needed by some than others. And it may eventually outluve it's usefulness and point to a congenial separation...

I'm beginning to be of the opinion that both people will essentially be experiencing any synastric midpoint picture together.

I *notice* his Jupiter/Saturn on my Sun, I'll tell ya. It changes his behaviour toward me, and makes it clear that my vitality is contributing energy to this process which at times feels terribly slow and others quite rewarding. I think he needs help with it though and so far I'm still willing... but honestly have begun to feel happy about the thought of separating! There's been a lot of pain and he isn't always terribly careful with my feelings. He's working on it though.

As for love connections in midpoint synastry, we have those and they too are felt by me as the planet person I believe. I feel his Moon/Mars opposite my Venus, I think.... Obviously I feel my Moon/Venus opposite his Venus. His Sun/Venus on my Mercury also I notice, you know? Anyway.

posted April 03, 2016 01:08 PM            

My Jupiter/Saturn MP = 8.19 Gemini
Conjunct 7 Gem Psyche
Opposing 6.35 Sag Venus

Husband's MP @ 3.18 Scorpio

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I'm very interested indeed in whether it has figured prominently in synastries and composites of solid long standing relationships--or happily separated couples! It seems likely that it might go either way or both--given that whoever is contributing a planet will be lending energy of some kind to a key developmental process in the life of the other. Then again this may be more needed by some than others. And it may eventually outluve it's usefulness and point to a congenial separation...

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In synastry, my husband's 7 Sag Saturn opposes my JU/SA midpoint, his 6 Virgo Venus squares it.

So far we are together over 17 years with many ups and downs. I do think his Saturn hits that midpoint too hard, creates an imbalance towards Saturn: "If Saturn exceeds Jupiter in energy then one may feel that progress is too slow, or too limited or frustrating, or that one's enthusiasm is dampened." Exactly.

Then again BOTH our Venuses are in hard aspect to this midpoint which feels fitting...karmic.

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I *notice* his Jupiter/Saturn on my Sun, I'll tell ya. It changes his behaviour toward me, and makes it clear that my vitality is contributing energy to this process which at times feels terribly slow and others quite rewarding. I think he needs help with it though and so far I'm still willing... but honestly have begun to feel happy about the thought of separating! There's been a lot of pain and he isn't always terribly careful with my feelings. He's working on it though.

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I don't know what to say except love sucks. But that's not helpful I know. So, *hug.*

My grandmother's sun was on my Jupiter/Saturn midpoint and even though I didn't know her that well, the way she set policy as matriarch of our "clan" (huge family) had an enormous impact on me and my life.

Process: The integration of moral principles into one's life. The finding of an harmonious and successful way to discipline oneself. The development of the ability to be discerning and critical and yet open, forgiving and accepting at the same time.

I was not aware of her forgiveness and acceptance but maybe as a small person I couldn't see how much she had to overcome just to be in my life at all. I definitely saw the moral element...well you couldn't miss it in a strict religious family.

She and I had a very distant, formal "relationship." I'm not sure if she knew my first name.

We never recommend marrying when in the chart comparison, this midpoint is prominent without other love connections because the union may result in divorce (a happy or fortunate separation/divorce).

posted April 03, 2016 04:47 PM            

I keep drawing the Empress card in relation to this relationship so it's fascinating you're referencing a matriarch now... so interesting to hear this story. I bet she had quite the chart! Your family sounds fascinating...

And this Jup/Sat picture sounds very descriptive of the nature of your relationship with your husband from all I've heard from you... the additional Saturn bring a restrictive element. .. and both Venuses indeed! Slow. ..
Slowslow!!! But steady (?) There's obviously a reason for this particular glue! You needed time to figure so much out together, one way or another. Him moreso I guess

It's truly amazing how effective midpoint pictures alone can be as a hologram of a relationship or person!! I recently did a sort of fun lil test where i read a midpoint grid chart and described a person... the image in my head was exactly like who it turned out to be! Neptune prominent, also Mars... very masculine, movie business I guessed as the only clue I had was they were well known and this book has lots of actors/politicians/sports stars/royalty/thinkers etc etc. Anyway it was Clint Eastwood and his seriousness and masculinity and defensiveness all kind of came through I don't think i could have done as well with a birth chart alone, frankly...

Anyway they're great fun and so telling.. i thought you might have this one between you two

posted April 03, 2016 05:53 PM            

I agree, midpoint pictures can be eye-opening...sometimes it takes me a minute to see it because it's so big, like having your blindfold removed in front of a skyscraper, and you just look up, uP, UPPPP and woah that's big!

Or so it felt to me, when I just noticed earlier today (thanks to you) that I have Venus = Jupiter/Saturn

Sag Venus, ruled by Jupiter, conjunct his Saturn.

I do need to look again at my whole midpoint inventory and piece things together. Maybe I will start a thread on that.

Thanks for what you said about my family. *edit

Another edit: Forgot to even say, I love that the Empress card comes up with this!

And I love that you could describe Clint Eastwood without even meeting his chart.

@Ceri

posted April 03, 2016 08:23 PM            

Other stuff too darn it.

Unsurprised to see Jupiter/Saturn=Sun in your parent's composite Ceri... makes sense to me increasingly that in a healthy relationship this would be a stabilizing boon...

Turns out our composite Jup/Sat in Cap squares D.'s Sun as well so it's kind of a double whammy... he feels it differently i think. Like the relationship itself is asking this support of him--demanding it? The square seems to operate differently from the conjunction.

Speaking of which my Jupiter/Saturn midpoint is actually square his Ascendant/Descendant, conjunct his Juno and square my own Sun/Moon midpoint... whew.