posted April 28, 2016 12:12 AM            

Thank You! I Love You All!!! and please do not quote me

posted April 28, 2016 09:55 AM            

My 12yr marriage had my BML on my ex's sun, 1 degree. I don't know if I can separate it all out, because we had other things too. My pluto trine his venus for one, his pluto conjunct my mars. When we started dating, we spent every minute together and moved in together after only six months. It felt like a codependent relationship. But he definitely incited rage and control issues in me. When I broke free of the marriage it was a very clean break- my feelings for him were over. No looking back.

I have a friend who also had her moon on my BML, 1 degree. Again, other aspects at play, her pluto squaring my sun. Our friendship started instantly and we became inseparable fast, and she would joke that I was her addiction. But, she tried to control me and manipulate me, and when I had enough I made a clean break and walked away. No looking back.

Now I am in one that seems much healthier. His BML is 2 degrees from my moon, which means it is conjunct my priapus and opposite my BML. His BML is also trine my mars. My BML forms a grand trine with his neptune and chiron. Even though it's his BML this time, he calls me his obsession. We have a ton of good chiron contacts (chiron conjunct venus, trine mars, trine jupiter, sextile moon, conjunct sun, etc), and as we are both older and mature I believe this is our main purpose in the relationship, to heal. There is true love, and I have no rage or anger over little things like I did in the others. We also only have a wide pluto conjunct venus and a wide pluto trine moon aspect between us. And we have an exact (his) mars venus (mine) conjunction. I am wondering if the fact that we have a 1 degree conjunction of DW priapus and BML helps ease things too? He definitely feels like a true love for me. I don't feel obsessive about him, at least not more than ususal!

posted April 28, 2016 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by KoreAbyss:
I am researching Lilith but I do not have enough personal info to share yet. Although, if you wouldn't mind I could search for other's personal information you are asking for and place it here instead of starting another thread. Would that be acceptable?

If no, I understand. I hope people have some personal stories to share with you as I'm rather curious myself.

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Yeah you can always post the links here ! I'm down for anything! have you been lilith before in synastry? where is she in your natal chart?

posted April 28, 2016 11:37 AM            

And in the rest of the myth, I think she is the opposite of lying. She does not want to live a lie and that is why she leaves Adam in the first place (she can`t pretend to be anything she is not - a submissive wife and so she rather leaves than well, pretnding).

posted April 28, 2016 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can see most of the keywords but why "lying"?
Is that because there were references to Lilith being the snake in garden eden?
(well even in that case I don`t see this as evidence for her being lying. Temptation is not always the same as lying.)

And in the rest of the myth, I think she is the opposite of lying. She does not want to live a lie and that is why she leaves Adam in the first place (she can`t pretend to be anything she is not - a submissive wife and so she rather leaves than well, pretnding).

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Okay well i don't know that's why I created an investigation thread thanks for your thoughts ceridwen I'll ponder on that....however I do feel the dark moon lilith can include lying between couples because I feel dark moom is quite psychotic don't you think?

posted April 28, 2016 01:32 PM            

Mean Lilith conjunct Sun (0)
Mean Lilith trine Moon (2)
Saturn square Mean Lilith (2)
Mean Lilith conjunct Mercury (4)
Venus quincunx Mean Lilith (0)
Mean Lilith quincunx MC (0)

Sun opposite BML (3)
Mercury opposite BML (2)
BML conjunct Mercury (4)
AC sextile BML (0)
BML trine Mars (0)
Mars Quintile BML (0)
BML square Vertex (1)

asteroid Lilith trine Sun (3)
asteroid Lilith trine Moon (0)
asteroid Lilith trine Mercury (0)
asteroid Lilith conjunct Mars (3)
asteroid Lilith square MC (3)
MC sextile asteroid Lilith (0)
Venus trine asteroid Lilith (0)
Saturn conjunct asteroid Lilith (0)

h21 Lilith trine Moon (0)
h21 Lilith trine Mars (2)
h21 Lilith conjunct Mercury (0)

posted April 28, 2016 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well I don`t use the Dark Moon.

As for Black Moon Lilith however, no, I don`t think she is psychotic per se.

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posted April 28, 2016 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Yes, I experience all of these things (except for lying) in my relationship, but it's my own projection of my own issues onto him. I keep it mostly to myself, it's too crazy and whenever these feelings come up I know they're irrational. I have found myself being completely psychotic many times over things that were not even reality. Very disturbing for me but I keep it in check because I *know* it's not real.

Our synastry (Me-him):

Mean Lilith conjunct Sun (0)
Mean Lilith trine Moon (2)
Saturn square Mean Lilith (2)
Mean Lilith conjunct Mercury (4)
Venus quincunx Mean Lilith (0)
Mean Lilith quincunx MC (0)

Sun opposite BML (3)
Mercury opposite BML (2)
BML conjunct Mercury (4)
AC sextile BML (0)
BML trine Mars (0)
Mars Quintile BML (0)
BML square Vertex (1)

asteroid Lilith trine Sun (3)
asteroid Lilith trine Moon (0)
asteroid Lilith trine Mercury (0)
asteroid Lilith conjunct Mars (3)
asteroid Lilith square MC (3)
MC sextile asteroid Lilith (0)
Venus trine asteroid Lilith (0)
Saturn conjunct asteroid Lilith (0)

h21 Lilith trine Moon (0)
h21 Lilith trine Mars (2)
h21 Lilith conjunct Mercury (0)

Waldemath square Waldemath (0)
Waldemath square AC (3)
Venus trine Waldemath (3)
NN trine Waldemath (1)

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Thanks Selenite for listing all you aspects i love them! how did dark moon squaare his ascendant manifest? did he find you intriguing? and BML conjunct his mercury? how did that go for you in terms of communication?

posted April 28, 2016 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by mereiposa:
I have experienced them previously and am in one again now. But Lilith is important for me, I think, because I have it conjunct Jupiter (by minutes) and wide to Sun (6 degrees) in Cancer 8th house, opposite moon in Cap (1 degree), sextile my mars (by minutes) in Virgo.

My 12yr marriage had my BML on my ex's sun, 1 degree. I don't know if I can separate it all out, because we had other things too. My pluto trine his venus for one, his pluto conjunct my mars. When we started dating, we spent every minute together and moved in together after only six months. It felt like a codependent relationship. But he definitely incited rage and control issues in me. When I broke free of the marriage it was a very clean break- my feelings for him were over. No looking back.

I have a friend who also had her moon on my BML, 1 degree. Again, other aspects at play, her pluto squaring my sun. Our friendship started instantly and we became inseparable fast, and she would joke that I was her addiction. But, she tried to control me and manipulate me, and when I had enough I made a clean break and walked away. No looking back.

Now I am in one that seems much healthier. His BML is 2 degrees from my moon, which means it is conjunct my priapus and opposite my BML. His BML is also trine my mars. My BML forms a grand trine with his neptune and chiron. Even though it's his BML this time, he calls me his obsession. We have a ton of good chiron contacts (chiron conjunct venus, trine mars, trine jupiter, sextile moon, conjunct sun, etc), and as we are both older and mature I believe this is our main purpose in the relationship, to heal. There is true love, and I have no rage or anger over little things like I did in the others. We also only have a wide pluto conjunct venus and a wide pluto trine moon aspect between us. And we have an exact (his) mars venus (mine) conjunction. I am wondering if the fact that we have a 1 degree conjunction of DW priapus and BML helps ease things too? He definitely feels like a true love for me. I don't feel obsessive about him, at least not more than ususal!

I do think I am the woman he craves but didn't have before- his ex wife is the opposite of me. I definitely represent Lilith in this respect. She is very docile, soft-spoken, and not interested in pursuing a career. I am very ambitious and passionate and opinionated, and in the midst of building a business. I am easy going, kind and caring too, but I am not one to be pushed around. Lilith comes out when I am. But he's definitely not afraid of me.

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that's nice! thank you for telling me your experience ! it's interesting how lilith is prominent in your chart and how you were describing how people when they would aspect your lilith that side of you came out i defently have been there so i understand where you coming from when my MC/LILITH is aspected.

posted April 28, 2016 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Thanks Selenite for listing all you aspects i love them! how did dark moon squaare his ascendant manifest? did he find you intriguing? and BML conjunct his mercury? how did that go for you in terms of communication?

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Yes actually he did / does find my intriguing and he used to ask me a ton of questions (Venus in Gemini ) and be a little perplexed by me (we also have moon quincunx moon almost exact). We talk a lot about taboo subjects and we have an incredibly dark sense of humor together... Or rather, we feel free to express that side of ourselves to each other

posted April 28, 2016 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can see most of the keywords but why "lying"?
Is that because there were references to Lilith being the snake in garden eden?
(well even in that case I don`t see this as evidence for her being lying. Temptation is not always the same as lying.)

And in the rest of the myth, I think she is the opposite of lying. She does not want to live a lie and that is why she leaves Adam in the first place (she can`t pretend to be anything she is not - a submissive wife and so she rather leaves than well, pretending).

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I agree. Also, looking up the synastry of Lilith we see a pattern of truth telling to the point of uncomfortable expression as if Lilith casts a spell of truth or gives a truth serum to the planet person. If anything her myth describes the consequences of being completely true to herself.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000342.html

All of these are from page 1.

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and, i have a friend who is in the city i used to live in, and we knew each other since back then but only exchanged a few words. a couple of years after i moved away, we started chatting online and somehow we talk about everything we wouldn't with others.
-my Lilith conjunct his AC
-his Lilith conjunct my Sun

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I want to say the last time I had a guy whose Mercury conjunct my Lilith he told me so much about himself and said that every time he was around me, it was like he'd had some kind of truth serum and he'd tell me of all these really forbidden, sexual and emotional things he'd supposedly never told anyone. And he'd come over and lie in my bed like a patient and close his eyes and just unload. I felt obsessed with hearing his confessions, but I didn't really need to do much prodding....

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I have an exact Lilith conjunct with someone's Moon so I had been looking up the topic and came across this post and MyVirgoMask's comment that she knew someone whose Merc conjuncted her Lilith and he would always spill all his secrets related to sex to her stuck in my memory. A few days later I met up with a colleague and within a few minutes she unloaded all this information about her personal/romantic/sex life. We spent the whole day talking about this, and she remarked how weird it was that I was "bringing this out" of her and that she couldn't believe she was telling me all this stuff especially considering we don't know each other that well. I actually didn't say much throughout the conversation, more just listened, but I was interested and involved in the conversation. Either way though, I never prompted any of this spilling and she would constantly take the conversation into what felt like more forbidden sexual territory.

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I do have this Mercury opposite a person's true and mean BML at 1 degree and I have said the same to him. "I don't know what it is about you but I just can't help telling you things I would never tell anyone else."

posted April 28, 2016 05:20 PM            

I was referencing lying tied with dark moon lilith or especially if the male has lilith afflicted in his natal chart he may not admit he finds the woman attractive feels ashamed guilty which is how I can see lying to take place especially if the male is lilith and has harsh aspects in his natal connected to her. See what I mean? Im experiencing this myself at the moment.

i read a great interpretation of lilith from Liz green and she talks about how men view her and validates that he defently rejects her through lying, manipulation especially if he is not accepting of independent women etc. Also Jewel Mayberry knows lilith in synastry very well and her interpretation of it in synastry resonates with me 100% shes got her own astrology YouTube channel I can post you a link if your interested

posted April 28, 2016 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by mereiposa:
I was thinking about how she affects me personally. I think as she is so close to sun and jupiter and sextile mars, she is prominent in my personality. She is in my everyday. I am very laid back and easy to be around, but at the same time I know people are intimidated by me. They have told me. I don;t see this at all about myself.

As for the opposition to moon, there is a side of me (the main one) that is very independent and fearless and bold. I resent people telling me what to do, and I really hate when people are condescending. Injustice sets me off fast too. But, there is also this side of me that just wants to be loved and cared for. Like I want to curl up in my partners arms and be like a child. I think that's my emotional self at odds with Lilith. I like her though, I like the strong willed brave warrior she is.

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Me too I understand completely

posted April 28, 2016 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Yes actually he did / does find my intriguing and he used to ask me a ton of questions (Venus in Gemini ) and be a little perplexed by me (we also have moon quincunx moon almost exact). We talk a lot about taboo subjects and we have an incredibly dark sense of humor together... Or rather, we feel free to express that side of ourselves to each other

As far as inequality goes.. I feel a sense of total equality and mutual respect with him, and it's only every so often that I make up something in my head regarding power struggles / inequality. I bring it to the extreme and get so angry and obsessed with it, until I realize that it was never there to begin with, or it was a simple misunderstanding. It's insane and I'm not used to it. It's just Lilith coming out making sure everything is completely equal I guess. Lol

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I see what you mean that's interesting I have the square with a man's acendant to that's why I ask he too found me intriguing and was the first to show interest. The person that I have strong lilith connection with has lied and played mind games with me and i defently felt disrespected and strongly felt like lilith leaving the garden of Eve off to hell being punished and dominated and disrespectedbecause I was lied to im starting to think this man is sociopathic im serious....he's got huge affliction of lilith in his own natal chart.

However his Casanova square my lilith/Mars/MC/Mercury/aphrodite so this is defently messed up and explains why he had flirted with me yet has no emotional connection with me whatsoever. It's like he says "i don't have feelings and I never thought of you sexually" but you send me a message out of no where that you WANNA grab something to eat adding a sexual context! very confusing and misleading of him when he knows im emotional....

He's got prominent casanova is squares his chart ruler and TRINES his NN in the 12th house.

posted April 28, 2016 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Koreabyss,

I was referencing lying tied with dark moon lilith or especially if the male has lilith afflicted in his natal chart he may not admit he finds the woman attractive feels ashamed guilty which is how I can see lying to take place especially if the male is lilith and has harsh aspects in his natal connected to her. See what I mean? Im experiencing this myself at the moment.

i read a great interpretation of lilith from Liz green and she talks about how men view her and validates that he defently rejects her through lying, manipulation especially if he is not accepting of independent women etc. Also Jewel Mayberry knows lilith in synastry very well and her interpretation of it in synastry resonates with me 100% shes got her own astrology YouTube channel I can post you a link if your interested

i don't see the female lying more so the male playing mind games power struggles I don't know ! But I have just experienced the male causing issues not so much the female if he has a big ego and doesn't feel comfortable having an independent woman

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Yes, this is what I was thinking. It sounds like lying comes from the rejection of Lilith. So while she may be a catalyst for truth, she can also cause such an uncomfortable feeling that the other person rejects her and in so doing lies to themselves and Lilith.

It's almost as if Lilith would say to the person who rejects her "I know what you desire. Don't BS me."

I have mean Lilith in the 5th house Leo and true Lilith in my 6th House Virgo. I have never used asteroid Lilith but looking now it is also in my 5th, 2 degrees opposite my Mars. My true Lilith parallel my ASC in Aries also speaks to a Martian Lilith. Although, I have never used h58 Waldemath Moon either, it is in my 4th House Cancer opposite my Moon by 3 degrees.

What is going on in the synastry with you, this person and Lilith?

@Ceri,

Why is it that you do not use h58 Waldemath Moon?

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Triple Goddess

Lilith in astrology incorporates three entities. We have Black Moon Lilith, Asteroid Lilith and the lesser known Dark Moon Lilith. Together they work as a Triple Moon Goddess, which describes a process of transformation. The three Lilith’s are also useful in pinpointing which brand of Lilith energy is strongest in your chart and at which stage you may have the most issues with.

After studying Eris in detail it is apparent to me that she is the higher octave of Lilith. Eris is the Uber-Dark Goddess and by combining her with the outer planets we can see how each corresponds quite neatly with three phases of the moon.

To see the Lilith astrology archetype in terms as a triple goddess makes total sense to me.

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posted April 28, 2016 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by KoreAbyss:
http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/

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Yup exactly what I mean. Nothing much it's not important it's just my experience with casanova square lilith in synastry did not play out so well, my friend. How do you feel about your lilith placements?

posted April 29, 2016 03:02 AM            

"agree. Also, looking up the synastry of Lilith we see a pattern of truth telling to the point of uncomfortable expression as if Lilith casts a spell of truth or gives a truth serum to the planet person. If anything her myth describes the consequences of being completely true to herself."

Yes, exactly what I mean. She is uncompromising in her staying true to herself.

posted April 29, 2016 01:21 PM            

Thanks angel, hope it was informative.

posted April 30, 2016 01:13 AM            

My husband has Aries Sun and Mercury and he is very subtle in his ways but it still exists. What I think negates it from becoming worse is his Pisces Venus on Asc which makes him sensitive.

There has always been HUGE sexual vibrations between me and Aries people, men and women, but like I said: the line is very thin..