posted May 12, 2016 09:59 AM            

So I did an EVC and focused on midpoints:

Sun square Mars/Pluto 0°03

Sun square Moon/Saturn 0°33
Daily repeating hours of being alone. To be moody or depressed because of general personal or bodily conditions.

Moon square Mars/Saturn 0°47
Disappointing changes where work is concerned. Sickness or death of female persons. Death among the people, or death of people of public (or personal) interest. The hour of death.
Illness, separation or death of members of the female sex.

BTW my best friend`s husband`s Mercury was conjunct his Moon and he was delivering the message to me!

Mercury square Mars/Jupiter 0°09
Successful talks and speeches.

- well not every midpoint will be related to one thing; that day I of course had a long talk with my friend`s husband.

Venus square Moon/Saturn 0°41
Unfortunate mother. All alone in marriage. Wishes which come not through. Unmarried mother.

Saturn square Moon/Pluto 0°17
An inclination to
depressions, mental and emotional suffering.

Node conjunct Saturn/Pluto 0°36
The misery of the masses, common suffering shared with many people
together.

(this is of course a very lasting midpoint picture therefore I think for it to have an effect a closer moving planet needs to be part of the picture, here int his instance Moon was separating from a squre to it by 4 degrees, tracing back about 8 hours before the call)

At that time there would have been Moon= Saturn/Pluto, too
, melancholy, renunciation. The tragic destiny of
a woman.

Node square Moon/Neptune 0°07
The projection of passivity and confusion. Association with sensitive or frail women.

Node square Moon/Uranus 0°14
Restlessness and excitability in contact with others. Associations
with ambitious or nervous women.

Well I think the fact that Node and Moon were tied to Uranus and NEptune was depicting my shock, confusion, bewilderment and disbelief.

Anyway luckily midpoints are not always THAT literal, but her ein this case they were, and it seems to show me that squares to midpoints in EVC definitely work.

Oh I forgot there was also

Pluto conjunct Saturn/Neptune 0°12
Strong
depression; feeling downtrodden; tremendous awareness of potential loss; fear.

Also an extremely slow moving midpoint picture. it will be exact at the beginning of june.
I hesitate to relate it soley to that incident, but it`s true that even some months before I started to have those gloomy thoughts and fears about people close to me dying (possibly triggered by actual deaths in my neighbourhood, of parents of childhoodfriends and so on).

Actually today when I got on the bus, it seems another busdriver had just suffered a stroke and was being rushed to hospital, and when I arrived in school a colleague was telling another story about a busdriver having had a heartattack while driving, and so it went on and on and on today.

Now I know why I was getting as leno daily spread Bird-tree-child, been continually fed little (child) stories and messages (birds) about health (tree).

SEriously so? What`s up today? Drivers are all so aggressive and loud, and the others seem to suffer serious bouts of illness!

posted May 12, 2016 11:23 AM            

Sorry to hear of the sadness and loss <3

posted May 12, 2016 11:45 AM            

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Anyway luckily midpoints are not always THAT literal, but her ein this case they were, and it seems to show me that squares to midpoints in EVC definitely work.

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Amazing...sad but amazing...

I've never checked midpoints in EVCs before but now I'm thinking, I should.

Was just looking at EVCs this morning and trying to see what can be done with them. Transits to the EVC, etc.

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Pluto conjunct Saturn/Neptune 0°12
Strong
depression; feeling downtrodden; tremendous awareness of potential loss; fear.

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posted May 12, 2016 11:48 AM            

And yes his natal Mercury is 1°54 Aquarius and the Moon was at 4 Aquarius.
Interestingly the first person I shared this message with was my Mom (Sun on 3 Scorpio hence square) and my Dad (Sun on 5 Aquarius - conjunct). and they both were shocked, too. And the first non-family member i told about thta was actually Faith, who has been born just 2 days after my friend`s husband, so her Mercury on 5°00 Aquarius was as a matter of fact exactly conjunct that transiting Moon. Just thought that ws interesting.

I have a question though, what orb would you allow for these midpoints (which are in fact transits of course)?
I remember you mentioned something about orb of transits in the last weeks but cannot find the thread again.

I guess it might be different depending on the motion of the planet maybe (well Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto to each other are soooo slow moving. lol)

posted May 12, 2016 11:58 AM            

Because I have a very exact yod in mine, with Jupiter at the apex, all at critical degrees now. No idea what it means though.

ETA: And unfortunately nothing is really transiting that will hit that apex and give me a chance to feel it?

Maybe synastry or some random events will shed light on it.

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And the first non-family member i told about thta was actually Faith, who has been born just 2 days after my friend`s husband, so her Mercury on 5°00 Aquarius was as a matter of fact exactly conjunct that transiting Moon. Just thought that ws interesting.

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*nods* Aw I'm honored you told me first.

posted May 12, 2016 12:05 PM            

Just sentimental about the circumstances....

ETA:

Oh and to add substance to the discussion.

My ex's EVC for the night I finally gave up on him has a cardinal grand cross (more or less, depending on his birth time), with Mars and Jupiter conjunct a transiting Mars-Saturn opposition. Like so:

8 Libra Mars, EVC (conjunct 7 Libra Mercury, natal)
4 Libra Mars, transit
5 Cap Neptune, EVC
4 Aries Jupiter, EVC
5 Aries Saturn, transit

First decan Cancer moon, probably, EVC

Anyway some midpoints stand out there, like Neptune = Mars/Jupiter MP

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Neptune: An enthusiastic assertiveness when it comes to one's ideals. When one goes too far or does too much it can create chaos and confusion. A willingness to go a long way to fulfill one's obligations to others as well as what one feels to be one's spiritual obligations.

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Yeah apparently.

Meanwhile I had a wide sun = Jupiter/Neptune in my EVC that night. Not sure if it officially counts, but this does match how I felt:

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Sun: Fantasies and imaginings give one a lot of energy and bring meaning to one's life. Much envisioned about the future, but a great deal of it may be unrealistic and/or unattainable. A wealth of intuitive insights brought to light.

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What I want to point out is, the declinations of this EVC chart for him match my sun...seems about half are parallel or contraparallel my sun.

My sun: 22°30'22" S

His EVC:

Sun 22°15' 3" S
Moon 23°13'15" N
Mercury 22°31'24" S
Venus 22°59'17" S
Saturn 21°47'50" N
Uranus 23° 5'53" S
Neptune 23°20'34" S

You think I was going to let him NOT focus on me that night? LOL

posted May 12, 2016 12:15 PM            

Well I don`t know if you know what Quotidian is, but just in case not, it is basically a progressed chart but with the TRUE progressed angles (usually they simply move the angles with the speed of the solar arc I think, so it moves just one degree per year, but in reality that is not so of course. They move much more quickly, in fact about 1-1,5 degrees per day, hence they are excellent timers, if they work at all. that is. lol

So I was just checking for midpoints including the quotidian angles for that day in my chart, and I found this.

Pluto oppospite Mercury/ASC 0°20
Pluto opposite Venus/ASC 1°01

The day after that the Venus/ASC picture was already clearly out of orb (it must have been exact a few hours before), the Mercury/ASC-picture went out of orb 2 days later, if we allow an orb of approximately 1° (2 days later it was 1°15).

What made me laugh however was the description I found

AS/ME=PL The opinions about the native undergo change. Others draw their consequences or conclusions.

AS/VE=PL To make oneself popular ... to be likeable. Increase of popularity. Transformations and changes through loving acquaintances.

Coincidence had it that these midpoint pictures happened for me right around the time of the concert, and with Mr Sag staring at me through a window into the cafe I (and some others) were sitting in and waving at us, and later on joining us while we were waiting in line, and well, leading to that weird moment of him standing a stair above me (as he had pretty much politely pushed someone else out of the way to be able to stand there. lol) and while being talked to by other people and also answering them of course, still keeping looking at me, which made for a pretty bizarre surreal situation and me feeling a little too much on display. lol
Well I guess he was evaluating the new look on me. It was more or less coincidence that I had been to the hairdresser the day before, who insisted not only on cutting my hair to chinlength and smoothing it, but also dying it in a bit of a ginger tone (actually I wanted to dye it, as I did not like the grey in it. lol but was not prepared for how different it would look) and she was also shaping my eyebrows, and well I guess it was my decision to wear a bit of lipstick, which I only very very rarely do.

Anyway, it certainly caught attention ()and not only his), probably also because though I usually went on my own to concerts before, this time I was within a group of new aquaintances (whom I actually met on HIS fanmeeting. lol) and well that was new too.

So I guess he was simply doing a bit of evaluation of me and my changed behaviour? appearance?

And I thought the midpoint pictures were just so spot on for this (of course I hope the evaluation had a positive result, but well I think it did. )

posted May 12, 2016 12:39 PM            

THAT was the last concert, though??

Where has the time gone? I thought you saw him again since then. Maybe I'm thinking of the time he was performing on that little stage and seemed sick. And they asked if anyone in the audience was a newcomer, and since most people weren't, they said they didn't have to try too hard then, people would come back again regardless.

posted May 12, 2016 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I love it!

THAT was the last concert, though??

Where has the time gone? I thought you saw him again since then. Maybe I'm thinking of the time he was performing on that little stage and seemed sick. And they asked if anyone in the audience was a newcomer, and since most people weren't, they said they didn't have to try too hard then, people would come back again regardless.

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Yes, that was the concert I was talking about.

posted May 12, 2016 01:01 PM            

Well speaking of exact aspects, in the event I mentioned above...very pivotal turning point in my life...my EVC for that:

15.48 Cap Venus conjunct my 15.47 Cap sun
15.21 +/- Gemini moon conjunct my 16.01 Gem Mars

MP = Aries Point, conjunct my Vesta @ 0.35 Aries (and sun/Mars MP of course)

posted May 12, 2016 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that was the concert I was talking about.

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posted May 12, 2016 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Re orbs for transits: I'm not really sure... but I've been watching planets in transit and their orbs of influence very closely for the past few months and noticing that they are really very specific in terms of when things come about, pretty much to the minute very often. So these days I'm looking at a transit which is 3 degrees applying and saying to myself "that's on it's way," and not considering it nearly as noteworthy as something which is, say, under 0'30 applying. They're worlds apart in my view at the moment... Anything either side of 0'30 is definitely at work. Much wider and I just don't know... those energies are forming and coming into being and we'll be feeling the crescendo of their effects as the orb tightens of course. I'm not completely certain about any of this it might be the configuration of my app which gives tightest orbs causing me to notice the tightest ones and give them the most credence. It's not like something at 2 degrees isn't happening... it totally is and is worth looking at aspects this wide... but the big events and really pronounced things do seem to be close to the minute... so far.

Hope this is helpful... I don't know how conclusive it is or should be though.

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That is what I seem to notice, too!!!

Which sort of leads me to - unspokenly really, did not think abuot it, just happened- divide orbs into two categories:

1. wider orbs as developments, processes taking place

2. the event-triggering, activating,specific orbs which are just as exact as you pointed out, at least I observed that, too.

And also as for separating and applying orbs, they seem to almost tell a sequential story. For example in what I just posted

First was the Pluto opposite Venus/ASC which was then followed by Pluto opposite Mercury/ASC.

So I guess it really was my more social behaviour and possibly the transformation of my appearance (Venus/ASC) that then lead others to maybe re-evaluate me, change their mind about me and draw conclusions (Mercury/ASC).

BTW Mr Sag had that day a midpoint picture that said

Venus conjunct Mercury/MC 0°34
To think about acquaintances. One's attitude about love and art.

It was just out of the 30 minutes range of total acuteness, but it was actually applying and was getting closer in the hours that followed.

posted May 12, 2016 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

15.48 Cap Venus conjunct my 15.47 Cap sun

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Wow!

posted May 12, 2016 02:03 PM            

Here's my EVC, the time is approximate but it was like a building process that "snapped" about an hour before midnight:

So...

Venus = Chiron/Neptune, but not tight
Venus = sun/Uranus
Venus = moon/Mars in that time period

Venus = Chiron/Neptune???

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Venus: Love expressed with an intuitive subtlety that can be deeply healing. Relating in a way that uplifts the other person and creates a deeper connection to ideals.

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posted May 12, 2016 02:07 PM            

ETA: We have Mars-Saturn widely conjunct in Leo in composite, apex of oodles of good and bad triangles (probably just like your best friends' with her husband).

10° Leo is exactly on that Mars/Saturn MP.

So MARS there in my EVC is significant.

Since that was close to my ASC, I felt like I carried a lot of the burden of it. (It = composite tension)

posted May 12, 2016 02:36 PM            

Probably made for demanding something better for yourself even if expansion and liberation was only possibly by breaking up something (or simply the inner tension leading to that going away to search for something better)

Or it also might have been something like that.

SA/UR=JU Sudden separation from happiness

posted May 12, 2016 02:53 PM            

It is serendipitous that you mentioned your wide Mars-Saturn conjunction in composite just now because I just had a lightbulb moment this morning and realized that D. and I have a wide (10 degrees) Mars Saturn conjunction in Davison-in the 4th. Saturn is conjunct Juno and progressed davison Mars is conjunct both much tighter now... conjunct Juno, same degree, and just a bit bend Saturn... anyway blah blah... it is easy to overlook these things until something mysterious makes you go ohhh and it clicks.. interesting how the universe reveals things to us at certain moments.

Our Davison Mars-Saturn midpoint is semisquare my Venus, opposite my Jupiter, square my Juno and my daughter's Venus-Ceres-Neptune-Chiron stellium... well really just the Ceres part exactly I think..

I'm interested in Mars Saturn energy in relationships right now. Seems like something that could really sustain long term application of high energy if well aspected especially...

posted May 12, 2016 04:54 PM            

had a look at the EVC for the last concert, focusing on 30 minutes orb. This is what I found (naturally often not much will come up, at some days nothing, but THAT was not such a day. lol)

° Venus conjunct Uranus 0°13 a on 24 Cap
° Venus conjunct Neptune 0°09 a on 24 Cap
° Mars sextile Saturn 0°14 a on 1 Sag-Lib
° Uranus conjunct Neptune 0°04 on 24 Cap

and for the midpoints in that 30 minutes range:

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto 0°23 a

Venus square Mercury/MC 0°35 (slightly out of the range, but it was applying and so was actually coming into orb just minutes later)
Venus square Node/ASC 0°22 a
Venus conjunct Uranus/Neptune 0°11 a

Saturn square Sun/Mars 0°18 s

(Uranus square Node/ASC 0°36 a)
Uranus conjunct Venus/Neptune 0°09 a
Uranus square Venus/MC 0°24 s
Uranus square Neptune/MC 0°29 a

Neptune square Node/ASC 0°31 a
Neptune conjunct Venus/Uranus 0°02 a
Neptune square Venus/MC 0°29 s
Neptune square Uranus/MC 0°35 s

Pluto conjunct Moon/Node 0°08 a
Pluto conjunct Venus/Saturn 0°00
Pluto conjunct Saturn/Neptune 0°04 a
Pluto conjunct Saturn/Uranus 0°07 a

Node conjunct Mars/Saturn 0°17 s
Node square Pluto/Chiron 0°34 s

Chiron square Venus/Jupiter 0°11 a
Chiron square Jupiter/Neptune 0°07 a
Chiron square Jupiter/Uranus 0°04 a
Chiron opposite Jupiter/MC 0°27 s

What a day full of contradictions, right?

posted May 12, 2016 05:00 PM            

Pluto conjunct Venus/Saturn 0°00 

posted May 12, 2016 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also seems like that Jupiter was on the SAturn/Uranus-mp (not sure it was very tight, but it was possibly there).

Probably made for demanding something better for yourself even if expansion and liberation was only possibly by breaking up something (or simply the inner tension leading to that going away to search for something better)

Or it also might have been something like that.

SA/UR=JU Sudden separation from happiness

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Thank you!

I didn't notice that.

Well it's interesting because I have Pisces moon = Saturn/Uranus MP natal, so this was a different take on that....

SA/UR =

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Jupiter: The ability to synthesize the old with the new. To feel positive about eventually attaining freedom and liberation, no matter how long it takes. A wealth of ideas or plans concerning how to integrate what is already established with innovations. A philosophy of life that combines traditional ideas with one's own unique concepts and way of looking at existence.

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Exactly!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
and no astro.com does not have the option doing midpoints in a composite, probably because composite is already a midpoint chart (which does not mean the midpoints in it do not work though, but this has not been widely accepted yet)

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Thanks again.

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Btw my EVC sun was exactly on my natal moon yesterday and early today, and I was feeling so weirdly intense. I couldn't sleep at all, I was up praying and wondering about existence and all this warpy, Piscean stuff.....

But then it seemed to highlight the house placement of my natal moon (8H) more than anything.

posted May 12, 2016 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Faith, somebody should get you SolarFire or Sirius or something for your birthday/late mother's day/something.

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Aw thanks for thinking like that.

In my current life that could never happen...so I need to change my life to conform more with my astrological needs...not even kidding.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I'm interested in Mars Saturn energy in relationships right now. Seems like something that could really sustain long term application of high energy if well aspected especially...

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Yes, I agree. 4H Davison Mars-Saturn looks pretty good for sticking together, I would think! And look how much you two have overcome already!

Is it okay to mix and match with midpoints and charts? If the shoe fits wear it?

So, your Jupiter = Mars/Saturn

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Jupiter: To be enthusiastic about planning out things in advance. To over-plan what one is doing. The attempt to think of all the possible problems that could crop up in a situation and to have a back-up system for dealing with each and every one of them.

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Can you relate? Just the fact that you are scoping out Mars/Saturn to see how you can use the knowledge to grow seems to show this midpoint in action.

I also like Mars-Saturn synastry, just how it feels, there is a nice earthiness sometimes, especially with Neptune in the mix to lend imagination to the different ways the energy could be capitalized on, so to speak. (As I felt with Gemini Saturn conjunct my Mars, opposing my Neptune...funny how even strangers with their Saturn on my Mars could kick up my curiosity...)

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
And I wonder whether my EVC this morning somehow reveals this revelation in my own mind about this aspect... probably!

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posted May 12, 2016 07:24 PM            

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What a day full of contradictions, right?

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In my state of software deprivation it seems almost impossible to have so many exact midpoints in one chart!

posted May 13, 2016 09:22 AM            

Yes I think youīre right about Chiron.

As for Pluto= Venus/Saturn, well I guess it makes sense, even though it is not a happy happy picture. I can relate to it though, thinking about how I think I was pretty composed and calm, and felt very much like Venus in Capricorn. lol

The interpretation I found on this

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT VENUS/SATURN
Unusually strong tension in love relationship, temporary or passing
state of chaos.

I resonate with this as well, there was also this feeling of tremendous selfawareness and intensity just bubbling under a more crystalline surface.
It`s difficult to really put it into words.

But in fact now that I think of especially the two occasions when he was observing us through the windows and when he was joining us while we were waiting in line on the stairs, it`s not that I was unfriendly at all, but I think I was very much "within myself", and in a way it was more him reaching out to me, though unspokenly, than me to him, which would have been more natural given that he is the performer and I am the audience. I guess I was more receptive without being bubbling over with responsiveness. Not unresponsive, but just not overly reacting I think.

I am not quite sure why not; there are times we have this pretty good humourous verbal/ nonverbal rapport, but on that occasion I guess I was more quiet.

I am analyzing it here, but it really was like observing myself from outside. It was also different to those occasions in the past when I would be elusive or avoiding him or ignoring. That was not the case either in this instance. I was there, very much present and receptive, but I guess not very strongly reacting, which actually set me apart from the giddy overly enthusiastic women around me. I was feeling a little bewildered I think.

Well what I think of is that he was observing us through the window of the cafe we were in, and apparently waving at us, which made the others wave rather manically back at him. And maybe I should have waved back,b ut I couldnīt raise my hand to do so. lol
I guess I donīt often wave anyway, I simply stopped eating, looking up, looking back at him and smiled, which he of course did, too.

the second occasion I think of is when he joined us on the stairs and was standing just a step above me and another woman was pressuring him in really shameless and inappropriate and demanding ways to sign two calendars, and well I couldnīt keep my mouth shut and pretty much admonished her to the use of "Please" and "thank you".
I couldnīt bite that back, because this attitude really annoys me.
At the same time I was actually holding the calendar he had signed or was signing. Because he pushed it into my hands (why not into hers? As it was for her?).
I am not sure about his look and how he thought about what she or I said, because well to decipher his look I would have needed to look up and really at him, right?
I couldnīt look up into his eyes or just his face at that moment; I have been wondering why not. but all I can think of is that it might have felt too "dangerous" to look into his eyes from this short of a distance. I donīt know. I guess I was acting a little weird as well, at least at that point.

Maybe that is depicteed in the Venus/Saturn= Pluto-picture, that sort of controlling of expression of feelings. I don`t know.

But he puzzled me as well on that occasion. Around that time, his wife apparently came back with the car, as he was calling her name and hurrying downt he stairs, and I thought he would get nto the club with her through the other door. But just a minute or two he came back, insisting on standing on the same position he had been before (again softly pushing some other girl aside), so I couldnīt help but feel like for some reason he WANTED to stand exactly there, coincidentally very close to me. I mean you know how crowded it gets on these stairs and crowds waiting for the entry into a club with free seating.

But yeah Venus/Saturn, I guess that was me.

posted May 13, 2016 09:29 AM            

Venus sextile Pluto
Venus trine BML
Pluto sextile BML

- which means he was having a minor triangle of Venus-Pluto-BML under 30 minutes of orb! and it means that Pluto was conjunct the Venus/BML - midpoint very exactly (right on my natal MC which conjuncts his Karma btw)

other aspects he had

Mercury trine Jupiter
Mercury square Chiron

Mars trine ASC

Saturn square Uranus

and midpoints

Venus conjunct Sun/Uranus 0°12
(conj. our pr composite Sun by 1 degree)

Node square Venus/Mars 0°12
Node conjunct Pluto ASC 0°12
(Node conjunct his Mars-Jupiter exactly and opposing my Jupiter on his pVenus)

Sun conjunct Venus/Neptune 0°32a
Sun conjunct Uranus/Neptune 0°07
Sun square ASC/MC 0°10
(Sun squared by my p Uranus)

ASC oppospite Saturn/Neptune 0°34 s

Neptune opposite Node/ASDC 0°11
(widely square my Uranus by 1,5 degrees)