posted May 14, 2016 04:17 PM            

he classic aspect for divorce is Jupiter square to Uranus or opposition of same. but there are many others. Jupiter square pluto, Saturn/Uranus squares, Pluto/Saturn squares.opps .
also juno in similar aspects thought these are not as well researched by me.
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there is a major problem with your study to check the rectification of your chart. that is these aspects are based on nodal transits to these aspects and as such have no direct relationship to the composite ascendant or the individual ascendants necessarily
but you may be on to something as I rarely refer to the synastry. so these transits of divorce may show up on you natal.

the actual divorce can happen long after the intial breakup of estrangement. most my charts have been on relationships not marriages so I may not have insights that pertain to your situation

but I would like to help in anyway I can.
I would like to know the dates of legal action etc, as well as moment when you made the decision or time of actual separation . and of course you natal needs to be looked at for nodal transits.

todd

posted May 14, 2016 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:

Hope it's ok I jump on this bandwagon Capricious

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Of course it's ok! You can post your charts and info here too.

Todd,

posted May 15, 2016 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Of course it's ok! You can post your charts and info here too.

Todd,

I don't have the date of actual separation (from memory no exact date/time that is) so for now I will wait for the actual divorce docs to come through (official date) and see what shows astrologically then. But in transits for now, tr. Jupiter squares composite Uranus, like you said. Bingo. Also, tr. Saturn conjunct comp. Uranus. AND, I also see tr. Node square comp. Uranus. So..quite a few out of what you mentioned already.

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any serious astrologer who has worked with progression andtransits knows that reliability is anissue. tht is sometimes agiven aspet or set of aspects correlates perfectly to observed behavior or conditions .... but not always.
I find that if there is a underlying node transit then the progression or other aspect fulfil there predictions.
this is how I interpret you example. you have Jupiter square the composite Uranus and transiting Saturn conjunct comp Uranus.

but it is the node transiting the comp Uranus that made this an actuality instead of a probability that did not manifest.
generally modern astrology is largely humanistic , which emphasizes trends and philosophy such as look at the positve and ignore the negative. as a consequence we as astrologers are not trained to expect exact clocklike prediction to be the norm.
the node transits virtually always can be read to the exact arc minute.

check this out in your example. look for the date when the transiting node was exactly square the composite Uranus and I think you will see the aspect was close to the most important date in the divorce.

todd

so EmGem, where's you data?

posted May 15, 2016 05:16 PM            

Hoping it's ok i add my queries here also...

Are there circumstances under which transiting nodes square composite Uranus would manifest differently? I wouldn't be surprised if we ended our relationship when transiting nodes are square our composite Uranus (currently applying at 0'46 minutes of arc-- our composite Uranus is at 18'51 Sag...)... but we're presently also on the verge of committing to each other more deeply.

Another notable transit we have right now and which I'm very curious what you might think about it: transiting North Node semisquare composite South Node (sesquisquare composite North Node).

Interestingly too, perhaps, transiting nodes are BiSeptile our composite Juno right now, 0'00 minutes of arc, and our conversation about whether to stay together or not while this aspect was perfect ended with lots of affection and a feeling of potential for deepening commitment. I wonder if this feeling is transitory though and the big moment will be when the nodes square Uranus. We've made it through so many hard transits already.. including Saturn conjunct composite Uranus and opposite composite Chiron recently.

He says it feels like a yes or no, in or out situation and is struggling with his role in my life as he is beginning to feel like a parent to my daughter.. he's got natal Jupiter-Uranus conjunction so he's jumpy by nature but when he commits he does it pretty full on (stellium in Taurus) so its scary for me too, this one or the other stuff...

He's talking about not knowing one way or the other if he wants to spend the rest of his life with me (understandable!!--I'm not sure about that either and am advising just appreciating the present but I understand the desire to either commit or not because it's been 6 months we've been together and it's just going to get harder and harder to separate).

I've noticed that transits to his chart indicate a desire for change which is frustrated... I don't want to be holding him down by any means... but I am willing to be loyal to him and work through the difficulties we have if he is. It's just that this may not be meant to be.

So I'm curious whether transiting nodes square Uranus could just tip the scales one way or the other, force us toaddress Uranus issues... because of course couples who don't break up will have this aspect sometimes too and I wonder what happens? Of course it's dependent on the nature of the composite chart itself eh?

posted May 15, 2016 06:28 PM            

Hoping it's ok i add my queries here also...

Are there circumstances under which transiting nodes square composite Uranus would manifest differently? I wouldn't be surprised if we ended our relationship when transiting nodes are square our composite Uranus (currently applying at 0'46 minutes of arc-- our composite Uranus is at 18'51 Sag...)... but we're presently also on the verge of committing to each other more deeply.

the node transits give the major underlying dynamic.as CC noted above there was also Jupiter square urnaus so this added transit pushed the inherent breakup vibration to divorce. so one must look to other transits at the same time to ascertain the final outcome

Another notable transit we have right now and which I'm very curious what you might think about it: transiting North Node semisquare composite South Node (sesquisquare composite North Node).

any aspects of transiting node to natal/composite nodes speak to the nature/intensity of the node natal/composite node.to me the 8th harmonic shows energy that needs to be worked with or energy that is productive in routine circumstances.without an increase activity of these energies, then the 8th harmonic can symbolize unending tension and possible strife

Interestingly too, perhaps, transiting nodes are BiSeptile our composite Juno right now, 0'00 minutes of arc, and our conversation about whether to stay together or not while this aspect was perfect ended with lots of affection and a feeling of potential for deepening commitment. I wonder if this feeling is transitory though and the big moment will be when the nodes square Uranus.

this is very interesting, in part because as I remember you have an exact 11th harmonic with your mars/venus???so it seems this relationship is much more spiritually in tune that most relationships to begin with.
I think this aspect symbolizes your spiritual and emotional reasoning and feeling toward the relationship.as a symbol of destiny , it implies the words spoken have far reaching karmic ramifications.
though as the proverbial horse,it remains to be seen whether he will drink of the water of
sincerity.septiles connect to other plane of existence ,so their affect on this plane are highly variable as the respond to the unique karma of each person differently.

We've made it through so many hard transits already.. including Saturn conjunct composite Uranus and opposite composite Chiron recently.

He says it feels like a yes or no, in or out situation and is struggling with his role in my life as he is beginning to feel
like a parent to my daughter.. he's got natal Jupiter-Uranus conjunction so he's jumpy by nature but when he commits he does it pretty full on (stellium in Taurus) so
its scary for me too, this one or the other stuff...

He's talking about not knowing one way or the other if he wants to spend the rest of his life with me (understandable!!--I'm not sure about that either and am advising just appreciating the present but I understand the desire to either commit or not because it's been 6 months we've been together and it's just going to get harder and harder to separate).

I've noticed that transits to his chart indicate a desire for change which is frustrated... I don't want to be holding him down by any means... but I am willing to be loyal to him and work through the difficulties we have if he is. It's just that this may not be meant to be.

So I'm curious whether transiting nodes square Uranus could just tip the scales one way or the other, force us toaddress Uranus issues... because of course couples who don't break up will have this aspect sometimes too and I wonder what happens? Of course it's dependent on the nature of the composite chart itself eh?

yes it is dependent on the rest of the chart.so if there are hard apects to Uranus then a separtion is likely, but sextle tirne,noviles would be consolidating.

Just curious. Thanks for taking the time to read. I'm tempted to show you the chart to inquire further if you're open to it. Thanks again.

your welcome
todd

posted May 15, 2016 06:59 PM            

Date of marriage - 18 March 2012
Date of separation - I left the house around mid November 2014. Tried to come back two weeks later only to leave again early December 2014.

Date of divorce hearing and legal finality - 14 April 2016

Settlement of assets is underway now and it's getting VERY ugly. He is being manipulative, as others around me suggest, but my heart strings are being pulled and I can't see very clearly. I basically feel sorry for him. Can you see manipulation? He is very money hungry.

Charts below.

My natal
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His natal [img] [/im g]

Composite
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Progressed composite
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Synastry
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posted May 15, 2016 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:

I find that if there is a underlying node transit then the progression or other aspect fulfil there predictions.

the node transits virtually always can be read to the exact arc minute.

check this out in your example. look for the date when the transiting node was exactly square the composite Uranus and I think you will see the aspect was close to the most important date in the divorce.

todd

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OK, makes perfect sense. So use tr. Node to composite to confirm the actual timing of underlying transits. Will check.

posted May 15, 2016 07:53 PM            

Uranus is quite heavily aspected in our composite. It is trine Mars within 1 degree, sextile Moon 0'26 degrees... It is semi-square Pluto, sesquisquare the North Node, Novile Pallas and Vesta, septile Mercury. Trine ascendant, biquintile Midheaven... quintile Ceres.

Edit: i realized that listing aspects creates more questions than answers in my own mind so to save time I'm just posting the chart.

Thanks CapCap for the awesome thread! And todd for sharing your understanding and knowledge.

posted May 15, 2016 09:27 PM            

the marriage date is somewhat oscure nodally.
the composite has the south node conjunct the mars/Chiron midpoint. this implies that it was his unusual personality tat was acting. this could show a sudden marriage.
his chat shows the nodal axis conjunct his venus/sun conjunction was conjunct the south node and the node had been transiting through his node square to this midpoint since jan . so the marriage definitely revolved around him.
you bothhave Neptune square to the su so you may have been of different cultal or religious groups. this also can show the spiritual/healing abilities yo have.

the date of leaving the house initially also does not show an exact nodal correlation that would account for your flight,though in your chart the nodal axis was paradoxically square to your Venus/Jupiter midpoint and close to a south node vertex conjunction with lilth opposed to ceres. not what I would epect as it could show economic gain.

so fr this is a very unusal pairing.

the divorce degree hits on the nodal transit to your composite Uranus/Jupiter midpoint at 19virgo50 with the composite node at 22virgo9
with the transiting node at 22virgo22 and the node is square the sun/Neptune midpoint.

posted May 16, 2016 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
EmGem

the marriage date is somewhat oscure nodally.
the composite has the south node conjunct the mars/Chiron midpoint. this implies that it was his unusual personality tat was acting. this could show a sudden marriage.
his chat shows the nodal axis conjunct his venus/sun conjunction was conjunct the south node and the node had been transiting through his node square to this midpoint since jan . so the marriage definitely revolved around him.
you bothhave Neptune square to the su so you may have been of different cultal or religious groups. this also can show the spiritual/healing abilities yo have.

the date of leaving the house initially also does not show an exact nodal correlation that would account for your flight,though in your chart the nodal axis was paradoxically square to your Venus/Jupiter midpoint and close to a south node vertex conjunction with lilth opposed to ceres. not what I would epect as it could show economic gain.

so fr this is a very unusal pairing.

the divorce degree hits on the nodal transit to your composite Uranus/Jupiter midpoint at 19virgo50 with the composite node at 22virgo9
with the transiting node at 22virgo22 and the node is square the sun/Neptune midpoint.

it seems your were caught in the sun/Neptune self delusion complex. things were not as you thought ad you saw what you wished to see or what he wished you to instead of what was real.
with the composite having a sun/Neptune opposition square the node, one has t obe very careful. also thestrong Neptune quality canshow that alchol or other stimulants were involved in the marriage and relationship which could have been na uxillary confusing factor.
todd

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Thanks SO much Todd. Yes you're right, the marriage seemed to revolve around HIS needs and wants and yes I definitely was not seeing clearly. Until I suddenly woke up and started to. It's like the haze suddenly lifted. He was from Scandinavia, and I'm from Australia.
He liked to drink almost every night to try and reduce his stress. I didn't like it one bit.
Hmmm sounds like the transits don't quite add up. That's kind of annoying. So no rectification possible I guess. Maybe it's all the neptune energy making things so obscure

Also Todd, if you check the 'Todd' thread, I asked something in there about Davison charts

posted May 16, 2016 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Thanks SO much Todd. Yes you're right, the marriage seemed to revolve around HIS needs and wants and yes I definitely was not seeing clearly. Until I suddenly woke up and started to. It's like the haze suddenly lifted. He was from Scandinavia, and I'm from Australia.
He liked to drink almost every night to try and reduce his stress. I didn't like it one bit.
Hmmm sounds like the transits don't quite add up. That's kind of annoying. So no rectification possible I guess. Maybe it's all the neptune energy making things so obscure

Also Todd, if you check the 'Todd' thread, I asked something in there about Davison charts

Thanks again you've been an amazing source of info and hopefully my feedback is helping.

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I don't use davison charts they are calendric and not astrological.

sometimes obne can use the node for rectification but it only works in certain situation.

looking at your I don't think it will work because your Uranus to close to your approximate ascendant

posted May 16, 2016 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by kaianna:
I predicted a divorce last year....anyway i would start with both peoples natal and see if they have divorce aspects natally...

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posted May 17, 2016 06:04 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
I don't use davison charts they are calendric and not astrological.

sometimes obne can use the node for rectification but it only works in certain situation.

looking at your I don't think it will work because your Uranus to close to your approximate ascendant

todd

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posted May 17, 2016 09:17 PM            

It actually can indicate a marriage or exciting development in love. Uranus on an angle alone doesn't tell us much except there will be a change in the life. There have been lots of well documented examples of people marrying when t.Uranus was on their descendant. A princess, if I recall... sorry I've no more details/examples to actually reference, just my memory.

posted May 19, 2016 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
OK, makes perfect sense. So use tr. Node to composite to confirm the actual timing of underlying transits. Will check.

How about commitment transits? The opposite of divorce,, let's say marriage? Because that is the date I actually know

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for commitment, the aspects are more varied. but trines/sextile with venus/moon/Jupiter are a basis. mars and the sun sometimes are present.

I haven't found a close correlation with most Saturn aspects,personally ,though Saturn/moon conjunctions show a devotion and fidelity, but this aspect is not that common overall.

todd

posted May 21, 2016 05:56 PM            

I don't know if this is useful for you. I have checked the transits to composite for the date of marriage. Now take into account that there have to be links to 12H (fictitious - partly tho, because we were a real couple, just not ready for marriage then..but it had to happen then). Anyways, don't want to get into that but obviously it's important to know that 12H/Pisces/Neptune etc. should be considered.

posted May 21, 2016 09:53 PM            

The node square Uranus is about to perfect. We're certainly at some kind of crisis point but not sure yet which way it will go. I'm literally on the very brink of both possibilities and reaching some kind of equilibrium.