posted April 26, 2008 07:51 AM              

I was surprised when i came across this aspect which i have with some one and wanted to understand it better.

We have a grand cross formed by my moon(scorpio) opposition my Venus,chiron(taurus)
squaring my friends
moon(leo) venus(aqua) opposition.

Its a fixed grand cross isnt it.

posted April 26, 2008 11:47 AM            

i think two people coming together - one with taurus and aqua say, another with scorpio and leo may be easier because there is more similarity between the opposing sides so this combination would lead to greater understanding.

posted April 27, 2008 04:05 PM            

The 2 crossed oppositions, the Grand Square as they put it here, I have with my younger son. The Grand Cross - which in our case is two over-lapping T-Squares - I have with his father. I'll agree with CafeAstrology that one is easier than the other. But then one of those individuals is strongly like me in a lot of ways and is very easy for me to understand. The other took more effort.

My take is that there is learning potential in such relationships, of the spiritual kind.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html

Grand Square
A configuration of intense aspects, formed by four squares. A special case of the Grand Square is the Grand Cross.

Grand Square - the most intense quadrangular configuration. It encloses the person in a framework of severe constraints, which are perceived as pressing. The Grand Square gives a lot of energy which demands to be used, internal dynamism, insistence, force. Those with a Grand Square in the natal chart crystallize much very early. These are very dynamic people, but they manifest inflexibly in relating to the world. This is shown most rigidly in a Grand Square with two internal oppositions (see the Grand Cross).

A more moderate form is the Grand Square without an internal cross. In this case there are no rigid tensions between the poles, there is less dynamism, and more flexibility. In general, it is not necessary to consider the Grand Square as a destructive configuration; on the contrary, it is a very stable pattern producing results through effort.

Grand Cross
A configuration of intense aspects, formed by four points of a horoscope which occur as pairs of oppositions connected by squares.

P.Globa cites the Grand Cross as the most clearly operating configuration which symbolically corresponds to the element of Fire.

M.Kozyritskaja and M.Levin state that from childhood the owner of a natal chart with a Grand Cross tries to find himself in different fields of activity, but in all activities he is inflexible, inclined to impose his designs on the world, and perceives little of the world's reaction to his actions. Such people are very confident in their correctness and do not turn aside, but concede only under great pressure, and then only for a while.

M.March and J.McEvers reckon that when the Grand Cross is present in the radix the person is capable of surprising efforts and vigorous activity. The direction of these efforts and actions depends on the cross of qualities and houses in which the points of the Grand Cross are located. The cardinal cross always indicates speed of action, the fixed cross strongly pronounced resoluteness when acting, while the mutable cross in many respects depends on the actions and reactions of other people.

F.Sakoian and L.Acker remark that any attempt to solve a problem associated with one planet of the Grand Cross burdens the other planets connected in the configuration with problems. The native is thus compelled to hasten from one crisis situation to another, unable to concentrate on any one situation for long enough to truly find a constructive resolution. If all the points of a Grand Cross are in one cross of qualities or cross of houses qualities, the problems of this cross will dominate the life of the native. Working with the planet of a Grand Cross which has the greatest number of harmonious aspects to planets not involved in the Grand Cross will enable the person to redirect energy for easier advancement.

A.Podvodnyj states that it is better to treat the Grand Cross as a balance of oppositions, not concentrating efforts on one particular planet or horoscope house as a specific objective, but carefully tracing a rhythm of destiny like balancing on the crest of a wave. People with a Grand Cross in the natal horoscope have protection, but too high to conjecture a direct attribution.

posted May 10, 2016 03:40 PM            

Your mutual grand-cross is likely a turmoil of emotions, inner and outer. It cannot be a boring relationship, it must be very energizing. I would not call it a negative. External people do notice this chemistry between the both of you.

posted October 13, 2018 06:17 PM            

Something that I am thinking about more when a planet triggers another's opposition by square (t-squaring).

It totally depends on the planets involve: Saturn t-squaring Moon and Venus opposition is different to Venus t-squaring the same opposition. And if that Saturn is opposite Mars in that chart, again is different.