posted August 05, 2016 08:56 AM            

However, it is a mirage and really, what we, actually, get is the worst part of our childhood.

I will put up my article on this, L. I put it up for Elysia, a while back.

@Yin---I think I removed all your quotes xx

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posted August 05, 2016 09:16 AM            

This, to me, makes the relationship very unlikely to work long term.

You are very much affected by your Sun/Neptune. It may be one of your biggest struggles i.e not feeling a DEFINED enough sense of self..

This conj opposes his Chiron, so YOU may heal him, at first, and he will come for healing.

However, these relationships seem to become uber vulnerable for people and the relationship seems to break.

There is a classic pattern for the Chiron relationship

I have many articles on this.

IF you have, already, gone through the uber vulnerable stage, the relationship could be over.

If not, it could still go through this stage, with all the passion, "soul mate" bonding, which is part of it, and amazing sex.

However, then, I would expect it to break, from my experience with charts xxx

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posted August 05, 2016 12:06 PM            

But the thing is, if I'd had some omniscient way of knowing that those predictions were right, I would have either barreled on ahead anyway because I was so desperate to get what I wanted OR I would have stepped away, but gotten myself tangled up in another similar relationship....because I mistake a relationship that causes me mental health problems (anxiety, grief, obsession, etc) for passion. because the childhood situations and relationships that should have provided me with unconditional love, comfort and security DIDN'T.

So even if there weren't all those red flags---with the guy I'm talking about, there weren't at first---this guy in your synastry wouldn't matter. Because if this is a place you are willing to go to AT ALL (obsessing, not sleeping, not eating), the particulars of the target you're projecting onto don't matter. What matters is doing inner work (maybe with a therapist, maybe even with a hiatus from romantic relationships?) to resolve those family-of-origin and/or 7th house Saturn issues.......that's what I want to do--find the time and money resources to see a good therapist, work on my natal chart so I'm not looking for someone from the outside to satisfy me----but I feel like I lost my chance to break free from this kind of thing, because I share a child with this guy and he'll just always be in my life.

posted August 05, 2016 06:26 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Yin:
Lucia, can we be friends IRL?
I think I love you.

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posted August 05, 2016 06:54 PM            

Has a really hard time expressing deep emotions and passions(Merc sq Pluto)

he keeps his deep pain hidden, prolly from himself, too.

He likes a partner to have a lot of assertion, so he may be the type of guy who likes the girl to pursue, But I think the Merc sq Pluto and the Chiron in the 12th may show what you are dealing with----Hiding his pain and not on purpose and a really hard time expressing deep, primal emotions and passions.

Hope this has helped, my Friend.

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posted August 05, 2016 10:02 PM            

You are not alone. Remember that! xx

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posted August 06, 2016 03:02 PM            

If you can, post your chart with aspects please. I can't make out the aspects from the wheel alone well. But I can see that your Saturn is in 7H and Sun in 10H so it is actually what he needs, partly (Saturn, 10H, Capricorn). Mars is in the earthy 6H too.

posted August 06, 2016 03:34 PM            

Where is his Sado asteroid, Yin?

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posted August 06, 2016 03:41 PM            

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posted August 06, 2016 04:01 PM            

I think that is one of our roots. That is why I need to do charts for so long. The answer is not, always, obvious.

YOUR Venus activates his Sado/sadism.

In his own chart, it is not that bad, due to the trine but he does deal with it, within himself, due to the closeness of his orb and the Moon.

If it were a close square or conj, he would be this way with everyone, basically.

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posted August 06, 2016 04:03 PM            

If so, this is a huge struggle for him, in general.

I had a sense he had a huge struggle and IF Sado conj Saturn, there it is.

If not, YOU activate Sado in him when he "loves/likes" you due to your Venus

That is my opinion, Yin xoxox

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posted August 06, 2016 04:05 PM            

If I'm right, then your Sun is pretty much unaspected by his planets. I'm not counting his Uranus and even if I do, it's a distabilising aspect, on its own nothing good there. His Sun - same thing, unaspected, unless you want to count the 10 degree square to your Moon (I wouldn't) and again, even by sign that's not a harmonious connection.

His Venus sextile your Moon is great because the orb is tight but your Venus squares his Moon. 1-0 you lose. BUT your Jupiter sextile his Moon. So it's 1-1. Overlays are pretty good for Moons: his in your 7H, yours in his 4H. 2-2. So emotional connection is all right..actually!

I think the unaspected Suns are the problem here. People just don't have much in common with each other, no sense of familiarity. There's this 'other' sense of familiarity but that's not what you think it is. That Venus Saturn double whammy. It's all Karma. Look, even your Sun in his 6H points to that. If you give in to him, he will pretty much use you to resolve whatever karmic problems you two had in your past lives (6H - service).

Moon Pluto conjunction, your Venus in his 5H, his Sun in your 5H. Sex and entertainment. That's what he said to you, he wants nothing more. And maybe you don't want more either, you just don't know it, or don't realise it...yet. We want what we can't have, we have dreams and we project 'the prince charming' dream on the object of our desire. Hmmm..if you don't feel you're strong enough, then if you get involved with him the danger is that you will fall for him deeper and might never realise he's just an infatuation. I can't explain it properly I guess, yeah..

posted August 06, 2016 04:05 PM            

Sado conj Saturn would be like Pluto conj Saturn, which is a cruelty aspect.

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