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cooljen
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posted October 28, 2011 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I definitely don't think I act eager. I don't know if he thinks I've acted that way. I don't think I have. Besides I think I'm too independent/individualist minded to be like that.

I say this because I've pondered this often, whenever I see some people together. I have Aquarius on the 4th house cusp, Uranus in the 1st, Lilith in Aquarius (3rd house) Ceres in Aquarius, and Saturn in Libra in the 12th. All these things I think make me not so 'relationship-oriented'. Not saying I'm anti-relationship or something but I've certainly never been desperate. I wouldn't be with someone just to be with someone. But I also have standards and values...I'm not trying to be someone's wh0re or something.

I haven't talked to him any differently than I talk to other guys. I invited him to a party I had months ago, but practically everyone was invited. People who didn't show at least acknowledged it and asked how it was, said 'hey sorry I wasn't able to make it'. Not him, he didn't bother to come (fine) but he didn't even acknowledge it. I don't know if he interpreted that as me being 'eager'. He's strange because this other girl (whom I call a ho, lol) definitely comes across as eager to me and he just feeds into it. He has texted her and they've eaten lunch together. She just seems like an easy target to me. Apparently they don't have the same issue that I seem to have with him because he talks with her just fine. Maybe because I've called him out on his crap. Whatever. I don't know but I'm definitely no 'chaser'. I'm old fashioned there. You know girls want to be swept off their feet. (Thats how I feel) The guy is supposed to chase and what not. And more importantly, not trying to sound conceited or something, but he should recognize my (for lack of a better term) 'greatness'. I get lots of attention from people; good attention not bad attention and I consider myself a pretty good catch. I'm certainly not perfect, but I try to present my best self as much as I can and I'm definitely true to myself. Wouldn't want to be anyone else. --- I'm done self-promoting... I don't like it when people come across as full of themselves, so don't want to seem like that!

I just would like him to be more clear and direct. At the least, for us to "clear the air'.

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posted October 28, 2011 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. I guess it's that attraction repulsion thing. Just let him be I guess :/ Not much else you can do lol...sorry

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posted October 28, 2011 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol its ok...that's what I've been doing!

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posted October 29, 2011 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am thinking that this would be very hard, in the composite. Both planets are so primal and crucial to oneself. I think it would be a tremendous challenge.
Based on the rest of the composite, it may be worth it, but it would be a challenge, I think.

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posted October 30, 2011 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I think sun square pluto in the composite is quite rewarding. Like you said once, Ami, I've never regretted my pluto experiences

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posted October 30, 2011 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astro.com says this about Sun square Pluto in a composite chart...

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Sun Square Pluto

The combination of the Sun and Pluto signifies power, and in its simplest and most blatant form it usually means power struggles between you. The problem is that one of you has a strong desire to transform the other into something that he or she is not.

Pluto always operates on a relationship at a very deep level. There is absolutely nothing superficial about its operation. Even if you are not trying to change your partner, you will. And the changes will be felt from the innermost depths to the outermost reaches of your lives.

One problem that can arise with this aspect is a serious conflict of life directions. This is likely to be the source of considerable ego conflict between you.

The only way to deal with the energy of this aspect is to avoid all ego games. Confine yourselves to real sources of conflict and don't indulge in mutual harassment over small matters that you do not really care about but are using to score points at the other's expense.


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posted November 08, 2011 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried talking with him yesterday. I actually went to apologize because I got upset with him and was calling him an *sshole. I was only apologizing for saying it. Still have no reason to trust him. I was hoping that if I went to him and was honest with him then he would be honest with me.

Instead he sat there and talked to me like I was a child. He seemed all 'high and mighty' and as if I was the only one to blame, like only I've done wrong and he's some saint or something.

I just don't understand how/why he could be so cold. He said that I am the one who doesnt talk to him, and I said yeah I used to...then he blurts out that 'we never talked, you just came by and would say something stupid then leave and then I would be left thinking 'what was that?'" ...Thanks a lot. Excuse me for trying to 'break the ice' or something, say something memorable or something.

I told him how I was hoping that he would be honest with me, if I was honest with him. SO he said, 'ok well ask me something then' so I asked 'well then why do you always give me these looks when you walk by?'. His respomse: I'm just trying to see how your mood is, if you're in a good mood or a bad mood. Really?? while I'm talking in the conference room? This is what I get for being honest.

Everything was put on me as if I'm this horrible person. I should be satisfied, slightly that he actually said something about me...thats the only time really that he wasn't talking about himself. Because he always manages to throw in some self-promoting statements the few times I have talked to him. Yesterday it was about how incredibly observant he is. As am I...which is why I pick up on his reluctance to talk to me, and you wonder why I walk away. Everyone else, he acts like he's happy they're there. Me? its like 'yeah I'm busy' - He doesn't say that, thats just the attitude I get.

It took a lot for me to get up the nerve to go say something to him, and then he's just completely hurtful. My calling him an *sshole was in response to his behavior. But instead of talking about that or something, its just all me; I'm the bad one. I certainly don't dare say anything more to him. I'm avoiding him anyway...I've already been made to feel embarrassed, vulnerable, and exposed. And for what?

I'm only typing this because I need to express it somewhere and I can't seem to say any of this to him...he doesn't seem to care anyway.

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posted November 08, 2011 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, he sounds like an ahole for sure. I mean most ppl would at least try tto spare your feelings by not going into details...or at least if they're gonna be honest say it in a very tactful way.

To me it's obvious he wasnt being honest. Either he's an ahole and that's what ge really thinks, or he's just doing it bc he doesnt want to admit he's scared. In my opinion the pluto energy makes a lot of guys scared because the woman has such power over them, just like they have so much influence on the woman. But guys dont like to be vulnerable, and pluto gives a huge sense of vulnerability. Since at the same time it also gives a feeling of repulsion and with composite sun square pluto especially---a lot of criticism and uncomfortable feelings (because your lofe paths and plans for your life are very different, and you probably dont intuitively understand or feel comfortable with each other's social behavior either) I feel that guys are more inclined to run away from the energy rather than gove in to it. Trust me on this. Trust your gut bc it's usually right. The same thing has happened to me with guys i had sun square pluto woth in the composite, or any pluto contacts actually, when i come to think of it. It was obvious they were very fond of me, to the point where other people noticed it and commented on it, yet they still denied liking me at all and "ran away" from me.

This one guy, he would shake and stutter in my presence and he wasnt able to stop looking in my eyes (he did admit THAT, actually!) and I in his, and his voice would turn extremely nurturing, kind, and high pitched whenever he would talk to me and he would literally run around doing me favors asking if i needed anything and calling me honey. It was obvious to everyone else that he liked me, but he himself wouldnt admit it. I found this a common occurence with conposite sun square pluto. Anyway, i can understand their feelings.....it makes one feel extremely vulnerable and out of control.....!!

It is not like other slightly more casual attractions where u dont feel like the person can actually eat u whole and see right into your soul and you into theirs and like you cannot hide anything from them because they can see all your sadness and fears and what you're all about as clear as day when they look in your eyes, and so can you when you look in their eyes, and like everything is so impossibly intense between you. You just see the way they move and you absolutely melt. And when you look in each other's eyes absolute magic happens.

What that guy said was very honest and i do appreciate it. He wasnt a jerk at all, it's just that it was very obvious to me he was lying. He said that he was checking me out and that he couldnt stop looking in my eyes "I couldnt help myself..." he said. And he added "So maybe I do like you! But...you're two years older than me, so we couldnt go out." LOL he kept making excuses. He also said the interaction between us was supposedly awkward. Yeah, no **** it's awkward---you're sahking and stuttering. It's obvious he was scared of the vulnerability and probably ddsnt feel it was worth it since sun square pluto gives repulsion as well abd very different lifestyles. I have rarely felt it was worth going out with a guy i had composite sun square pluto because of those reason, that's what I'm saying. And also, it was difficult to have to deal with the extreme anxiety that arose in my around their presence. So i just preferred to hide and move on to someone else rather than deal with the intensity. But i think guys are more scared of this than girls bc guys hate appearing vulnerable and not being in control, and sun quare pluto def makes you vulnerable ina very scary way.

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posted November 09, 2011 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you RunAround. I really did feel a little better after posting this. Its just ridiculous because I feel as if this is some game to him, and like I said I even told him I wanted to be honest with him and hoped he would do the same. It was so obvious to me that he was holding back and then saying contradictory things to me.

He told me I had been aggressive and it was like I had some vendetta against him, that I had an attitude and was always mad or frustrated so his staring at me was only to see what kind of mood I was in. If I had such an attitude towards him, I would've given him some hateful look whenever he looked at me like that. Its not like this was some normal look. He claimed I always rolled my eyes at him. I said, how could I be rolling my eyes at you; I haven't talked to you and barely even look at you for months now. Yet somehow, I'm being aggressive. I also told him that my 'talking about him, wasn't so much talking about him (I don't even mention his name, its just people immediately know who I'm talking about) - it was just me trying to get some kind of answers to his puzzling behavior' To which he replied, that I should be talking to him if I have questions. Why? he can't even be honest with me and when I have tried to talk to him, he seems to avoid me somehow. He made it seem like I don't know him but he knows everything about me, because he "is very observant" and "I am very expressive so I am easy to read". When I said to him that any bad comments I made were made out of anger, he replied with 'yeah I know, I understand people's behavior and I know whats behind your behavior'. Then he asked if we can be 'civilized' from now on?

What's even crazier is when I first went to him, before I even said what I wanted to talk to him about, he seemed just fine. It was only after I told him I wanted to apologize that he suddenly turned into some 'parent figure' and came down on me. I told him I wanted to apologize, he asked 'what brought about this change of heart?' I said 'well I'm better than that and I didn't want you to think bad of me'. He then said, no I'm not like that. I wouldn't think that way. Then he proceeded to come down on me.

So I'm afraid that this nonsense will continue, because I don't feel comfortable talking to him after that. I mean what am I supposed to do? Stop by and say hello...can't risk that - I'll just say something 'stupid'. But then again, my not talking to him is also some kind of 'aggressive/you must have a vendetta against me behavior'. So I guess, I'll have to avoid him as best as I can, and I'm sure that means he'll do the same, because according to him, his behavior is in reaction to mine.

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posted November 09, 2011 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, i had a similar dynamic with a another guy i had composite sun square pluto with. He would always get mad at me when i didnt say hi to him first. He could swear that he could read me so well, too. But if u think about it u also swear that you can read him really well, too, because what pluto does is it is like an investigator and it tries to tell itself that it can read this other person really well and tries to pick apart their thoughts, etc. The truth is, this guy i was talking to would act mad hen i didnt say hi first, but he did for a reason. It's true that i felt somewhat aggressive towards him just like e did towards me because it was kind of like a defense mechanism. I would kind of reject him and possibly subconsciously roll my eyes at him bc i was so afraid that any move he'd make was a rejection of me. This is a common theme with pluto, but especially sun and pluto together in aspect because these two planets are known for their strong egos and stubbornness. So basically you are both so scared of being rejected by the other that u treat each other even kind of badly because ur on edge expecting to be rejected all the time. The feelings are so intense that this is what happens.

I think like i said u should go with your gut. Everything u said sounds very plutonian to me. It really sounds to me like he is being very defensive with someone who he has no reason to be defensive about. If he didnt care about you then he wouldnt get that angry back at your behavior. And if somebody was looking at you to see what mood you were in, wouldnt they look away awkwardly once you caught them looking at you? What happens when u catch him looking at you...does the typical sun square pluto thing happen where u cant stop looking in each others' eyes?or no?

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posted November 09, 2011 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh definitely. Its not like he's looking at me with a sheepish look as if to see if its ok to approach me. He looks at me like 'Hey look at me...I'm trying to get your attention' - its a STARE (but an 'I want you' stare not like a 'I hate you' stare) and I just look back. But I definitely didn't 'roll my eyes'.

The one time I recall rolling my eyes at him was one day when I saw him getting a lttle too close to some other girl, so naturally I took that as a rejection of me. What you said about the rejection thing is soooo true. Its like we'll purposely go by each other and act like 'I don't care, I'm not even paying attention to you'.

I told him yesterday, 'if I roll my eyes at you, maybe thats just my defense or something, maybe I'm just trying to get your attention' And he said 'yeah I figured as much' So, the rejection thing - right on. That's exactly how it is.

But I don't understand what he's doing now. Because I went to him yesterday, that was like a surrender. It took a lot for me to do that. And he claims he knows why I was mad and what not. He must know I like him, so why would he still react with this 'rejection attitude' and be hurtful like that?

About him getting angry about my behavior...I don't know about that. Well at least yesterday he said 'well it doesn't bother me'. But I know thats only because he knows I like him. Then there's this feeling I have of not wanting to show that at all because he doesn't exactly respond. If he does, its very slight. So it makes me feel like I'm just some ego boost to him. And I feel like we both feel better if we see that we got to one another. Like if he seems all happy, I wonder how can he be so happy when I feel hurt? It makes me think he really doesn't care. But then I think he probably feels the same way at times.

One time, shortly after I stopped talking to him, which by the way was because I found out he went to lunch with this other girl who I suspected he had something going on with, he was absent for a couple of days. When he came back, he came over to my desk to ask me a random question and he hadn't shaved, so he looked a little disheveled. I've never seen him look like that. To me it was like he was just trying to make me feel bad for not talking to him, as if to say 'look at me, I'm a mess'. That was the only time I saw him unshaved like that.

Everytime I've tried to reach out to him, its like he doesn't meet me back. And yesterday was the worst. So, I feel this is only going to continue like this. We'll probably avoid each other for a little bit or something, but we won't be able to do that for long. At least I won't. The saga continues.

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posted November 09, 2011 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, by the way, for listening and sharing your thoughts. It's really helped. Its good for me to get this out.

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posted November 09, 2011 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 03, 2014 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonneysharon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sound just like what i am going through right now. Cooljen, not sure if you're still around but it would be interesting to hear how this turned out.
My sun square his pluto.
It was a blind date. Before i met him i could sense he was a headache. When i saw him i felt hate but as he kept talking i suddenly wanted to grab him and kiss him. It was love and hate at the same time. I think i am the one that's obsessed. He gets under my skin even though i don't see him very much, like i want to control him and devour him. And i sense he wants to control me too. So it ended up in a stalemate. He won't compromise and i won't either. When we are together its almost like we are operating as one, in sync so to speak. But i think he jumps at every chance to hurt me or reject me. He's the pluto, and i am so fascinated by him its ridiculous.

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posted January 03, 2014 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonneysharon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where is my post?

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posted January 03, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for curiouswoman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
why do you feel he wants to hurt you? is he also obsessed w/ you?

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posted January 03, 2014 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonneysharon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well we dated for three months and we got into an argument. I asked him what he wanted he said "I just want to take care of my kids" aka i don't want a relationship. He has always been unpredictable and wishy washy e.g he calls with a ten minute notice and wants to have dinner, maybe i'm not near my phone, maybe i am taking a nap, and then there goes the plans because he is unpredictable. So we stopped speaking for a year. A year later i saw him drive past me and i know he sees me and he just ignores me. Why is he ****** , he is the one that didn't want a relationship. A week later i see him drive past me again so i texted him. He texts me the next day and asks me to go to lunch to catch up. As usual a two hour heads up, spur of the moment catch me offguard thing. We have lunch, and then we part ways, never heard from him after that. I called him two months later to say hello. He talks about this great restaurant and asks me to go to dinner there sometime the next week. Mind you, i didn't call him expecting to go out to dinner. I don't hear from him so i text him the next week to see if we are still having dinner and he said "prob not, he has graduation dinners to go to". Saw him briefly outside the gas station five months later, i stared at him, got in my car and left. Then all of a sudden out of the blue he calls me three weeks ago and wants to see if i wanted to have dinner that night. mind you its already six o'clock in the afternoon. i already had plans and told him raincheck. so i thought about it for a week and i texted him and we make plans for dinner. I was so excited i couldn't breathe. Dinner was great, our conversations are interesting and as usual it feels like time had not passed and we have known each other for ages. He was talking and i just looked and him and i wanted to grab him and kiss him. Something about him just intrigues the hell out of me. Well i had too many drinks and i won't go into what happened that night, but its what your thinking. Also during my drunken stupor, i told him we should date each other, and he said something along the lines of basically-No. He texted me that night and i got so nervous, i don't know i was talking about a documentary on wolves, why i don't know, anyway he just left our conversation hanging, no good night nothing. So i spent the next four days crying because i did miss him and saying no to a relationship in my book means "no hope". All of a sudden i get a phone call christmas eve (the next week) like nothing is wrong, and a text on christmas morning. So i text him the next day to say "how was xmas" he responds and i didn't see the text until an hour later. i respond to him and he never responds. And thats where we left it. I have not stopped thinking about him since i met him and thats been a year and a half, i think i am the one who is obsessed and i am the sun. i do think that there is this underlying game playing that we both do because we both try to get the upperhand and it seems like the last two or three times we see each other its a game for him to see if he can get me and then reject me. We also play this ignoring game too. I don't know but after reading the posts on here the whole situation is quite similar. So that's the story, and now i am working slowly to try and get over the "i feel like a fool" and try to get him out of my head.

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posted August 08, 2016 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RunAroundScreaming has it NAILED.

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