posted August 22, 2016 01:46 PM            

We were attracted immediately. The connection feels great, but I don't want to jump the gun and speak on much more too soon.

Could this be long-term?

posted August 23, 2016 09:37 AM            

Yes, Moon conjunct Chiron was one of the first aspects I noticed and I've been doing a bit of research on it lately.

A lot of the time, these new connections help me learn more about different aspects and compatibility factors. I notice certain aspects play out and it really helps me apply the lessons to real life and real human contact.

Even if most of the charts I post don't lead to anything and I really don't expect them to, gaining feedback and insight helps me learn.

Moon conjunct Chiron definitely feels very raw and intimate. I was reading an article on this aspect and one of the things that stood out was the lack of security associated with it. I have Moon semi square Chiron Natally so I can relate to this concept quite a bit. I'm not sure whether it's that Sun-Venus double whammy or the fact that my Uranus and Neptune trine is Venus almost exact, but we were drawn to one another almost instantly and hit it off immediately. He sticks out like a sore thumb in my life but not in a negative way. More so like a breath of fresh air. He's a really nice guy thus far.

Our composite is the confusing element which is what really drew me to post our charts. We have contradicting Uranus/ Neptune aspects.

Sun, Moon, Mercury are all trine Uranus and Neptune but square Mars. We will be fairly long distance so maybe this is how these nasty squares will play out.

How would you go about interpreting a composite with contradictory aspects like that?

posted August 23, 2016 09:50 AM            

So the synastry was very similar, although not entirely.

I can tell you, from what I've experienced... It was extremely intense, the most mind-blowing connection I've ever had. Sadly -or not- we were never close, we barely even spoke to each other (teenagers...).

But the attraction was insane, it was like some unspoken bond that was very, very hard to severe. It took a few years for me, and I still dream about him sometimes, out of the blue.

Your composite, from what you say, sounds way better than mine was, though. Sure, squares to Mars can be really intense and even violent, they can create a lot of tension... But the supportive trines from Uranus and Neptune should help.
Also, are Sun, Moon and Mercury conjunct?? Perhaps you should post it.

posted August 23, 2016 10:57 AM            

I agree with everything you've said. Our attraction was immediate and intense from the beginning. Literally like a moth to a flame when we connected. I blame Uranus.

Anywho, yeah Saturn is a major factor in Synastry and Conposite which isn't necessarily an issue considering we both have hard Saturn aspects Natally and a Venus-Saturn double whammy.

In Composite, ASC-Saturn conjunction and Moon quincunx Saturn. I'm a little concerned how that Moon-Saturn will play out more so than the ASC-Saturn. We'll be long distance if we decide to get serious later on down the line so that's probably the restriction placed on us. He's very honest and expressive so I don't see any emotional exhibitions although Auby did mention to watch out for the Moon-Chiron conjunction which can empower emotional estrangement.

I didn't post the actual composite chart Doux, but I did post the composite grid. His birth time is fairly accurate but not exact so the house positions could possibly be a little off.

We don't have a Sun, Moon, Mercury stellium but we do have the typical love stellium. It doesn't link with those lovely Uranus trines but it's still pretty sweet.

posted August 23, 2016 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Watch the CHIRON-MOON conjunction.

It can be an instant-everything that explodes into estrangement very suddenly.

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That's exactly what happened with my Chiron-Moon guy last year, after all. Very succinct, accurate. We hit it off immediately, got super deep in super quick... and now we aren't really speaking, and when we try it's immediately impossible, head, brick wall...

posted August 23, 2016 01:02 PM            

This is a great way to look at it. My Chiron-Moon relationship primed me for the one I'm in now... I'm still trying to understand it, there's elements I'm grateful for but the memories still raise my ire...mostly I have been pretending it didn't happen but it's funny this thread is here and this synastry is echoing ours in certain ways... because I am wearing a shirt he gave me for the first time, and was thinking of him yesterday.

"we were drawn to one another almost instantly and hit it off immediately. He sticks out like a sore thumb in my life but not in a negative way. More so like a breath of fresh air. He's a really nice guy thus far."

It's weird but this is word for word how I felt about the guy whose Moon is conjunct my Chiron.. uncharacteristic of other people in my life... seemed like a really nice guy.

Beware! Lol... apologies, mostly joking... but oh does the universe ever have tricky, tricky ways of weaseling these teachers into our hearts... "Nice guy so far," but with that synastry it is very likely he will get your goat.

I wound up finding the guy completely insufferable... I banished him... I was actually afraid of him, his lack of sensitivity to my needs was actually incredible. I felt unsafe... I tried as hard as I could and then it proved impossible.

I think a close Chiron contact absolutely requires a lot of harmony otherwise in the synastry, excellent emotional understanding, very healthy Mercury, etc... otherwise it does hurt a lot because you're touched on that level and then feel misunderstood.

posted August 23, 2016 01:12 PM            

I am hoping I'm not speaking too subjectively or being negative. Just from experience, wanting to be honest.

I can't tell if you indicated whether you're the inner or outer wheel? Are you Chiron? Or Moon?

posted August 23, 2016 01:23 PM            

How so?

What exactly happened between you two if you don't mind me asking?

It sounds painful. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Nice guy so far," but with that synastry it is very likely he will get your goat.

What does this mean?

Get my goat? I've never heard that phrase before.

"I think a close Chiron contact absolutely requires a lot of harmony otherwise in the synastry, excellent emotional understanding, very healthy Mercury, etc... otherwise it does hurt a lot because you're touched on that level and then feel misunderstood.

Like, when we talk, I still open up to him... but he misunderstands me and insults me so badly, and just does not get how he's doing so..."

So can Moon-Chiron be associated with emotional insensitivity?

Alienation when it comes to the moods, emotions, and reactions of the other?

We also have a wide Mars-Chiron conjunction but I personally would still consider it because he has a Moon-Mars conjunction Natally.

Is it better or easier to deal since we have a Moon-Chiron double whammy and a Moon-Chiron semi sextile in Composite?

Our mercuries are pretty nicely aspects in my opinion. Not the best but it's manageable. That nasty quincunx from my Saturn is the only real issue I see. We have Sun-Mercury trine double whammy and his Mercury lands in my 3rd house. In composite we have Mercury trine Uranus-Neptune, semi sextile Jupiter and it's apart of the love stellium. Maybe there's hope after all.

posted August 23, 2016 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Saturn inconjunct Moon in composite could prove very difficult, not just because of distance.

I am hoping I'm not speaking too subjectively or being negative. Just from experience, wanting to be honest.

I can't tell if you indicated whether you're the inner or outer wheel? Are you Chiron? Or Moon?

Wishing you well <3 it can be a healing relationship, even if difficult. Mine was. It opened me up to love in good ways, even if it hurt.

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I am Chiron and he is the Moon. I am on the inside and he is on the outside. His birth time isn't 100% accurate though. It's a round about guess.

What does the quincunx mean? And how is it different from a square?

Is the Moon-Chiron pain always intentional or direct?

Will the person know they're causing you pain?

posted August 23, 2016 05:22 PM            

I don't even think this asPect necessarily guarantees insensitivity... the thing that is hard about it is that they do have a line on your most delicate wounds, those sensitive vulnerable places, and if there are indicators of insensitivity in other areas (we must view it holistically), this could be very painful... the freeze out comes once you realize that continuing to interact will continue to pick at the wound. When you decide it isn't worth it anymore... but honestly... although it's "over" with the person I'm referencing, I am of the mind that as long as I still feel pain or aversion there is still something to be learned... and so the relationship hasn't entirely resolves, or revealed all of its mystery to me.

You do have nice Sun Mercury aspects. I must apologize for being as doom and gloom as I have been (get your goat simply means "annoy you"), I fully believe that no single aspect can be an overall determinant of outcome or theme, and I would need to look at the charts (all of them) much more thoroughly to advise you based on your particular relationship here.

It is just a little uncanny how similar what you're describing seems to my chiron moon experience... but I really should know better than to think it will be similar beyond this coincidence.

You ask what happened between us...

Ina nutshell... he moved into my place... we traveled together.. over the course of the time we fought almost constantly.. could barely have a conversation without serious SERIOUS misunderstandings. It was ridiculous.

But we had very very intense synastry, topped by a Mars Pluto square... mercury Saturn square... mercury opposite mars... etc etc

posted August 24, 2016 02:50 PM            

Would his emotions and home life be affected by my Chiron?

We are still in the beginning stages so who knows.

What would it mean when taking into account our natal house positions?

My Chiron is in the 5th house conjunct his Moon in the 10th (If his birth time is actually around 5pm).

His devotion to his career or public image will open my wounds in regards to children and romance?

posted August 24, 2016 02:52 PM            

Could this aspect be related to pregnancy?

or fertility?

Since it's in my 5th house and it's his MOON involved? (As well as Mars which deals with sex)

or am I thinking too hard?

posted August 25, 2016 06:16 AM            

I've never heard of Moon/Chiron in synastry being related pregnancy. However, it can be with the 5H and/or Moon/Mars aspects.

I've had a pretty bad experience with Moon/Chiron as well, both in synastry and composite. Well, the guy I knew had a natal conjunction in Leo, and I have a natal conjunction in Virgo. So my Moon was (widely!) conjunct his Chiron, in Virgo (kind of like you and your guy, except I was the Moon and he was the Chiron). His MARS was also right on my Moon, and hence widely conjunct my own Chiron.

What I can tell you, is this... (keep in mind, we were very young back then and quite immature, especially him!): it started off with a strong, unspoken attraction... But I felt unsafe around him, because I didn't know his intentions, and he was definitely triggering some very intense and complicated emotions in me (insecurity, jealousy, fear of betrayal, etc). The conjunction was in his 8H, and in my 5H.

He was obviously (to me) into me, but there were... hints? I guess, going on, that he was trying to seduce me only because of a bet he made with his friends... So naturally I was very paranoid about that; especially because he was very flirty with other girls.

Fast forward a few months later, I can see he really likes me, it's obvious, every parcel of his being shows it... He even told me "I love you" once in class, out of the blue, with a very serious face (he was looking down, and couldn't face me, so I felt like he was really serious). At the time though, it took me by surprise, and I said... "That's inappropriate" or something to that effect, I think it looked like I was almost mocking him for saying that... But I was really bewildered and didn't have the time to reflect and say anything else (mind you, we were in class, watching a movie, so the timing wasn't exactly the best).

After that 'incident', I asked him on social media if he was serious when he told me he loved me (how silly of me), and he said that it was a joke... That really hurt me and made me angry, and we had a bit of a heated conversation through messages...

Long story short, I never felt comfortable enough to open up to him or make my feelings known; I would avoid him and secretly long for him, it was weird... I was extremely insecure and didn't want to be rejected, and I think it was similar for him. The other thing is that we had a difference in height/body type, I was slightly taller and "bigger" in some ways, than him (not much, but enough that it created even more insecurity in both of us).

You may know that Moon/Chiron in the natal chart often has to do with complexes around the body, and even sexuality.

And since we both had the conjunction and it was triggered in synastry AND in the composite (we had the conjunction, opposed by Saturn! ouch), we mutually triggered our deep insecurities when it comes to our bodies and even sexuality (the 5H/8H overplays only exacerbated that).

By the end of the "story", he turned very cold towards me (his Saturn aspected a lot of my planets), it's like I was begging for his mercy (metaphorically), I wanted to be closer to him, to open up, so we could talk everything out... But at the same time, it felt like we could never be a couple, it just felt impossible. And I guess he felt that way, too. He was moving the next year to another city - so there's the long-distance element here as well! - and that probably played a part, too.

I once told him through text (because I had asked for his number) how I was feeling, that I wanted to talk things out, etc. And he was very cold and rejecting! I was shaking the entire time... I was devastated. Regardless, some time later, I still "confessed" my feelings for him overtly, through text, and he never replied. We even talked on the phone after that, and he sounded very nervous, but denied ever having had feelings for me. I could just feel it wasn't true, but I didn't insist. And that was that.

Yeah, it sounds like teenage drama (lol) but at the time it hurt SO much, I was depressed and suicidal over it. To me it felt like he was the only person I could ever love, and he was gone, and it was extremely painful, because I could SEE that he had a good heart, only that he was too afraid to get close...
I also found him insanely good-looking, which didn't - and still doesn't - happen often at all. The fact that the feeling was mutual, at least in the beginning, made it all the more difficult to move on. Because I still had hope, years after it was over... I would "stalk" him on social media, hope to bump into him in the city on holidays when I knew he'd be visiting, etc. It was pretty crazy.

Now, I don't think it's going to be that crazy in your case, Yanmorg, because you're both older than we were at the time, and because your synastry/composite look "easier".

So what COULD happen, is "simply" the pain inflicted by the distance, and how you'll both handle it... Perhaps one of you will say that they can't deal with it. Perhaps it'll have to do with insecurities and/or jealousy creeping in... And sometimes it's hard to be empathetic with Chiron, because we hurt so much that we don't care about how the other person feels, it feels like OUR pain is so much bigger than theirs could be... and if we're not aware enough, we can hurt the other person inadvertently, simply by trying to protect ourselves.

Not sure if it's helpful at all... But that's been my "story"...

posted August 30, 2016 07:44 AM            

A conjunction isn't always considered a bad aspect though, right?

I'm not trying to gloss over the potential disappointment associated with this aspect, but i don't want to accept it as such either until it actually plays out that way if it's going to at all.

My Chiron is in my 5th house and I never understood what Chiron means associated with this house. I am rather boring. There's nothing creative about my personality other than my mindset and my intelligence. I'm very creative and imaginative on a mental plain, but it's never transmuted into anything visual or tangible of that makes sense. The most I've done was plaster posters of my favorite boy band on my room wall when I was a teenager. Other than that, I'm pretty bland when it comes to creative self expression. As far as children, I adore the little ones but am terrified of having any of my own at this point in my life although I do want to conceive my own eventually.

What does Chiron in the 5th normally mean?

And related to aspects in Synastry?

His Jupiter is also located in my 5th house.

posted March 15, 2017 10:41 AM            

Reflection is definitely a key during this period.

This relationship has definitely made me more aware of TIME and the importance of it.

If you view my natal separately, you'll see a MAJOR struggle with my mars. I have been struggling with my mars all my life and will continue to grow and evolve through it.

This relationship is bringing all of my martian energy to the surface and it's been very uncomfortable but rewarding.

I have been dealing with same issues in previous relationships related to past trauma and "daddy issues" all related to my mars and how I expresz that part of myself.

One of the things I love about this guy I'm with now is his ability (in his own way, directly and indirectly) to steer me in the right direction.

My mars ALWAYS wants to rebel against restriction. I have also finally accepted that I am very argumentative in my personal relationships and very critical. Attributes I do not want to have anymore.

Those mars squares in our composite shows my outbursts. I am mars. Neptune and Uranus won't stand for my outbursts. Mars-Jupiter is the calm after the storm.

Anyway, back to the TIME factor.

Saturn conjuncts our composite ASC and inconjunct our composite moon. I believe he is Saturn. The way I'm understanding the dynamics is, Saturn takes his time to set a foundation and a strong relationship in which I am not too familiar considering my previous relatiobships. Despite mars-uranus, mars-neptune in composite, this has been the most stable relationship I have ever been in. Those Uranus trines are operating from the inside while ASC-Saturn keeps everything glued together.

Our composite moon-pluto in the 8th is definitely apparent. We are constantly sorting out emotional issues every day.

One thing I will say, I DO NOT enjoy those squares from his mercury to my moon and venus. I feel super sensitive and I hate it. I feel like a helpless princess sometimes which isn't what I am used to do although it actually feels comforting at the same time. I hope I am making sense.

Being with him is bringing up all the garbage I've been avoiding up until this point in my life. It is so obvious.

My partner is very jealous, observant, and self-protecting just like myself so our jealousy is through the roof.

There's a lot of comfort and warmth with him. He feels like my best friend, lover all in one. He has said the same things.

Moon-Chiron is associated with his career and my obsession with romance. Both very sensitive spots for both of us. He feels like he should be "the man" in this world being the best and having a lot of money but he's not arrogant or cruel. I feel like a man should romance his woman to make her feel special. We both have opposite views on both topics. I personally don't care all that much about a person's status and have told him I will love him and look at him the same whether he's a CEO or a janitor. In turn, he forgot to text me a happy valentine's day in which he said every day should feel like valentine's day. His time, attention, and devotion should be enough. I was extremely hurt behind it until I viewed it from his perspective.

He encourages me to want to be the best version of myself. Like I said, mars has been a major hinderance for me in every relationship. I want those issues to stop here and now.

posted March 15, 2017 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

One thing I will say, I DO NOT enjoy those squares from his mercury to my moon and venus. I feel super sensitive and I hate it. I feel like a helpless princess sometimes which isn't what I am used to do although it actually feels comforting at the same time. I hope I am making sense.

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Oh you are making so much sense to me!

posted March 16, 2017 10:50 AM            

So now I am curious about Chiron once again.

Most of my relationships have had strong Uranus in Synastry/ Composite along with Chiron.

All this time I was trying to run from what I've always needed.

I'm a big ball of emotion, restless energy, and nervousness. All in which Uranus and Chiron expose.

I'm still growing and I'm still learning.

Chiron on my mars is the culprit. I'm trying to heal. I want to heal.