posted October 04, 2016 10:31 AM            

I for instance,would use the draconic. As I have found it so painfully accurate in its depth analysis of character.

But to start off, a Gemini is a Gemini with its talkative ways So look at the natal but use the draconic to "add" on to the natal.

All charts should be used to supplement each other and not be "competing" because they often tell the story from a different angle.

There are usually conjunctions between married couples or planets in same signs.

My mother has draconic Sun and Mercury in Gemini. She married my Dad who has draconic Moon in Gemini(conjunct her dr Sun) and Sun in Capricorn(sextile her dr Moon close to exact).

My Dad's dr Uranus is opposite my Mom's dr Venus and conjunct her dr Mars.

posted October 04, 2016 11:29 AM              

It`s not like you can use Draco as a substitute for tropical, if you donīt like the tropical.

Tropical chart is the Here and now, what happens in this dimension, now (though progressions have something to say about that too), what manifests in real life terms.

Draco is a nodal chart, hence highlighting in which direction you move, what you grow into and what you grow from.

posted October 04, 2016 01:57 PM            

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Tropical chart is the Here and now, what happens in this dimension, now (though progressions have something to say about that too), what manifests in real life terms.

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Sometimes I think the draconic is even MORE an expression of what manifests in real life, than the tropical. Or I guess we could say, it manifests eventually...is destined for manifestation, rather than immediate? Which is why we see it so much in families?

For instance, my mother and her father: their suns don't aspect each other. But both have their draconic suns at 22 Capricorn. She was not part of his reality at first, when he was born....but she was a part of his destiny.

My mother's draconic Cap sun exactly quincunx her draconic Gemini Mars, and she was probably a draconic Pisces moon.

All my placements: Cap sun exactly quincunx Gem Mars; Pisces moon.

posted October 04, 2016 02:08 PM              

It`s like you see the tropical manifestation with the Draconic shining through.

For example my emotions as the Draconic Moon manifest through encounters and relationships in the tropical DESC.

Whatever steps through my DESC-gate, sort of touches my deeper feelings as well; since my tropical DESC And Draco Moon are just about 5 minutes apart, I can`t get one without the other.

posted October 04, 2016 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sometimes I think the draconic is even MORE an expression of what manifests in real life, than the tropical. Or I guess we could say, it manifests eventually...is destined for manifestation, rather than immediate? Which is why we see it so much in families?

For instance, my mother and her father: their suns don't aspect each other. But both have their draconic suns at 22 Capricorn. She was not part of his reality at first, when he was born....but she was a part of his destiny.

My mother's draconic Cap sun exactly quincunx her draconic Gemini Mars, and she was probably a draconic Pisces moon.

All my placements: Cap sun exactly quincunx Gem Mars; Pisces moon.

I'm the sixth child and her last, there were question marks about whether or not she could conceive me, and if I would survive my traumatic birth, but apparently...I was part of her destiny, and became real.

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posted October 04, 2016 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
Or can you use one person's natal and one person's draconic?

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Yes this one.

We can't compare two draconic charts unless they have the same natal North Node.

posted October 04, 2016 05:10 PM              

It actually reflects human life, we rarely have the same starting point or exact same path either, yet we often meet and add to each other`s path.
Of course that is philosophical thinking, I am aware of it.

posted October 04, 2016 05:17 PM            

I know of at least one pro astrologer who will say it isn't valid, draco-draco, that it isn't grounded enough and barely worth considering-- as though that's an absolute fact, and then it gets repeated... In some cases it's good astrological practise to take information passed on from other experienced practitioners at face value, but because draconic research is still fairly early in it's development, and there is not a super long lineage tradition type thing, there is more of a risk in taking draconic related dictums as gospel without checking for yourself.

posted October 04, 2016 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Yes this one.

We can't compare two draconic charts unless they have the same natal North Node.

if a person's planet hits a draconic degree for us, we will feel a deep connection to them. If nothing in our natal triggers their draconic, they feel no connection.

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posted October 04, 2016 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It does seem to be. And I like when you get philosophical very helpful!

I know of at least one pro astrologer who will say it isn't valid, draco-draco, that it isn't grounded enough and barely worth considering-- as though that's an absolute fact, and then it gets repeated... In some cases it's good astrological practise to take information passed on from other experienced practitioners at face value, but because draconic research is still fairly early in it's development, and there is not a super long lineage tradition type thing, there is more of a risk in taking draconic related dictums as gospel without checking for yourself.

Then again, it's all so subjective! Still, the research I've seen regarding the frequency and reliability with which draconic angles are activated by draconic planets in the synastry of life partners has been pretty convincing, for one thing. And my personal experience corroborates it's importance.

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posted October 04, 2016 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
So if it eventually manifests, does my Vertex on his Pluto mean he's destined to come back into my life to transform it?

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posted October 04, 2016 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Who knows? But from the way you speak of him, whoever he is, it sounds like he's already transformed it.

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posted October 04, 2016 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
What do you think about comparing someone's draconic to their partner's natal and vis versa? Do you think that's valid or ONLY draco to draco and natal to natal in synastry?

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posted October 05, 2016 12:06 AM            

I can tell you that loving him feels very deeply right for me, especially given the resonance of my natal north node being in my 4th house.

It definitely seems to smack of "soul family" vibes... that we really have a sense of belonging on that deep level.

And for you I imagine with the Sun also there he really lights up your inner life, your deeply felt sense of who you really are, how you are when nobody else is looking... you feel comfortable with him.after hours, when all pretenses are dropped and you can really be yourself...

posted October 05, 2016 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
My draco IC is conjunct my s.o.'s draco Venus-Chiron-POF.

I can tell you that loving him feels very deeply right for me, especially given the resonance of my natal north node being in my 4th house.

It definitely seems to smack of "soul family" vibes... that we really have a sense of belonging on that deep level.

And for you I imagine with the Sun also there he really lights up your inner life, your deeply felt sense of who you really are, how you are when nobody else is looking... you feel comfortable with him.after hours, when all pretenses are dropped and you can really be yourself...

P.S. EmGem... incidentally... i had a really long astrological dream a few nights ago and you were highlighted as being an important key to understanding for me... specifically White Moon Selena/Selene (h56 on astro.com,). I've been researching her, and asteroids Selene and Endymion... fitting that this should have come in a dream... heh... but I wonder if you would do me the kind favour of looking up your synastry/composite, progressed composite and natal even, whatever you feel inspired to do, and draconics, and note aspects to the white moon especially... I've been meaning to make a thread but haven't yet...

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thanks yun, i can relate to how you feel with his venus conjunct your IC. He just feels like home to me. I wonder though, how would HE feel with this conjunction?

Oh how nice that fellow LL'ers dream about me Of course, I shall list all aspects I have found:

NATAL
Selene at 3.27 scorpio in my 3rd
*contra parallel my mars
*parallel chiron
*sesqiquadrate mercury/eros
*opposite chiron 4d
*trine vertex 2d
*semisextile NN 1d

DRACONIC
at 1.16d taurus (opposite his natal venus 1d i think)
sesqiquadrate mercury 1d
semisextile NN 1d
opposite chiron 5d
trine vertex 2d
sesqiquadrate mercury 1d

DRACONIC TO DRACONIC
MY Selena parallel his pallas and valentine
conjunct his ASC 2d
squares his vesta 3d, uranus 0d
sextiles his vertex 2d
sextiles his psyche 3d
HIS Selena (incidentally conjuncts my natal sun/mercury/eros, parallel my natal sun/venus/jupiter/mercury)
opposite my eros/sun/mercury within 2d
conjunct my neptune 3d
contraparallel my sun/mercury/jupiter

SYNASTRY
My selene contraparallel his moon,
opposite his venus/mercury 4d. It's on the mp.
sextile his uranus 1d
trine his NN 0d
trine his chiron 1d
opposite his ceres 0d
square his psyche 4d
inconjunct his AC 0d
sextile his MC 0d

His Selene
semisextile my sun
squares my saturn 4d
trines my ceres 0d
sextiles my valentine 2d

COMPOSITE
sextile venus 0d
trine uranus 3d
inconjunct ceres 0d
squares juno 4d

PROGRESSED COMPOSITE
contraparallel moon
parallel mars
contraparallel juno
square moon 2d app
conjinct mars 2d app
semisquare jupiter 1d app
trine NN 2d sep
square juno 1d sep

Hope this helps!

Let me know if you'd like me to post charts

posted October 05, 2016 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yun,

I may even come agree a little with DAwn saying that on its own Draco-Draco may not be grounded enough (I am not certain about that yet), but that`s something different than saying we are not allowed to compare those.
Personally I find Draco-Draco very very strong, but in each instance I can think of there was an outlet through the tropical, too (including exact squares).

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Yeah, the tropical outlet is important.

posted October 05, 2016 12:48 PM              

Also I was wondering about something in P`s and my Draco synastry, as we have that HUGE Draco-Draco-interconnection, but it is really tied to only his tropical planets, namely his tropical Venus-Juno-opposition, while I don`t have tropical planets nearby.

Just musing about what that means for the experience of this for each of us...

posted October 05, 2016 01:57 PM              

Jupiter/Neptune 0°21
Jupiter/node 0°14
Uranus/Chiron 0°14
Mars/Juno 0°09
Moon/Venus 0°40

I wonder would we feel that strongly? If a Draco planet was actvating tropical midpoints?

posted March 30, 2020 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would use the one that seems to resonate the most.

I for instance,would use the draconic. As I have found it so painfully accurate in its depth analysis of character.

But to start off, a Gemini is a Gemini with its talkative ways So look at the natal but use the draconic to "add" on to the natal.

All charts should be used to supplement each other and not be "competing" because they often tell the story from a different angle.

There are usually conjunctions between married couples or planets in same signs.

My mother has draconic Sun and Mercury in Gemini. She married my Dad who has draconic Moon in Gemini(conjunct her dr Sun) and Sun in Capricorn(sextile her dr Moon close to exact).

My Dad's dr Uranus is opposite my Mom's dr Venus and conjunct her dr Mars.

I find the draconic cross-aspects so telling really.Especially when they feature on the dr angles.

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Bumping an old thread to add my grain of salt.

The synastries I made using Draco-Draco charts resonate A LOT.

More than usual synastry-overlay method, SO MUCH MORE than composites using midpoints, a HELL OF A LOT more than Davison's.

Maybe because it shows soul to soul interactions, without the superfluity of mundane?